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Portman
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Futuro de Grimi clarificado na próxima semana
 
A situação de Leandro Grimi deverá ficar definida no início da próxima semana, altura em que o representante do jogador, Marcelo Simonian, estará em Portugal e Itália para ultimar os detalhes do empréstimo.

O Sporting concorre com o Siena e o Wolfsburgo pela contratação do lateral-esquerdo, esperando que as boas relações com Marcelo Simonian e Ariedo Braida, director desportivo do Milan, possam funcionar a seu favor.

“O jogador conhece as propostas, sabe quais são os clubes interessados e vamos aguardar pelo início da próxima semana para as coisas se resolverem”, afirmou Braida, que já deu conta ao nosso jornal do desejo de ver Grimi em Alvalade, até pela relação de amizade que tem com o responsável leonino Carlos Freitas.

http://www.record.pt/noticia.asp?id=749099&idCanal=24


OK. It's like this. Reports here in Portugal say Grimi could be on his way to Sporting Lisbon, on loan, for next season.

Braida says it's gonna be solved next week. Siena and Wolfsburg want Grimi too.
misha
Would be better to give him to other Italian club so he can adapt to the league and style.
dst
Yes, loan him out. Sporting would be the best choice, then Siena.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (mishale @ Jun 23 2007, 01:01 PM)
Would be better to give him to other Italian club so he can adapt to the league and style.
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But with Sporting he gets international experience as well...

Still...I like it when I see one or two of those youngsters on our bench. It gives that feeling...ooh, look, they can jump in any minute if needed. When I see all of our vets on the bench, sometimes I wonder...can they make it to the line.. rolleyes.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2007, 06:03 PM)
But with Sporting he gets international experience as well...

Still...I like it when I see one or two of those youngsters on our bench. It gives that feeling...ooh, look, they can jump in any minute if needed. When I see all of our vets on the bench, sometimes I wonder...can they make it to the line.. rolleyes.gif
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Well, one vet started against Liverpool and won us the European trophy wink.gif

p.s. The secret of Milan's success is in the vets
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 23 2007, 04:53 PM)
Well, one vet started against Liverpool and won us the European trophy wink.gif

p.s. The secret of Milan's success is in the vets
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I know...but sometimes you really have to say good-bye and turn the other way...
whoarethepatriots
Good, let him get experience at a top level
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2007, 07:00 PM)
I know...but sometimes you really have to say good-bye and turn the other way...
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We did turn the other way, and Gourcuff couldn't handle the pressure when he can on for 10 mins against Bayern. Grimi couldn't handle the pressure (against forgot who) when he played in the coppa italia match ..

Just comes to show you that Milan isn't Arsenal wink.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 24 2007, 12:23 AM)
We did turn the other way, and Gourcuff couldn't handle the pressure when he can on for 10 mins against Bayern. Grimi couldn't handle the pressure (against forgot who) when he played in the coppa italia match ..

Just comes to show you that Milan isn't Arsenal  wink.gif
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Amen to that. We have enough defence, therefore grimi would probably get zero playing time. Loaning him would be a good option, and portugal or spain i think would suite nicely to his style.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 23 2007, 10:00 AM)
I know...but sometimes you really have to say good-bye and turn the other way...
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Right, i agree with ya. But inzaghi is a little different than other vets. I mean when has he missed when it really counted? Pippo is the kind of striker who is at the right place at the right time and very few in the world are like that. He can read the game perfectly, so i dont mind him playing another season. He should tutor gila, that would be a dream come true, if we could develop another inzaghi.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 24 2007, 07:56 AM)
Right, i agree with ya.  But inzaghi is a little different than other vets.  I mean when has he missed when it really counted?  Pippo is the kind of striker who is at the right place at the right time and very few in the world are like that.  He can read the game perfectly, so i dont mind him playing another season.  He should tutor gila, that would be a dream come true, if we could develop another inzaghi.
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Yeah, I never ment to say Pippo is the one who should be retired. Nobody should, but we have to many vets now, and yes we are not Arsenal, but if we don`t buy or produce some young players soon our whole squad can retire and make a presedan in football history... tongue.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 24 2007, 10:23 AM)
Yeah, I never ment to say Pippo is the one who should be retired. Nobody should, but we have to many vets now, and yes we are not Arsenal, but if we don`t buy or produce some young players soon our whole squad can retire and make a presedan in football history... tongue.gif
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I know that this will always be the case, people will always be like " Milan is too old .. a change is needed ... bring in youth players" ... As if the team will all retire in one day and no one would be left in the first team ...

But in reality, the first team is the best group of players Milan could ever produce .. And the team will always be maintained to remain at the highest of levels .. When has Silvio Berlusconi ever failed wink.gif

This team under Berlusconi will always be an experienced, well maintained team to challenge the top prises.

So if you want to watch players like Villa or Nani, you would have to look elsewhere cuz Milan have no room for that cool.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 24 2007, 08:31 AM)
So if you want to watch players like Villa or Nani, you would have to look elsewhere cuz Milan have no room for that cool.gif
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No, I don`t wanna watch Nani or Villa. I wanna watch someone like Boban in 1992, Weah in 1995, Shevchenko in 1999 or Kaka in 2003...

Of course our basis is experience. It allways was under Silvio. But back then we had a Franco Baresi legend walking beside a becoming Paolo Maldini legend. And that was crucial, that was the garantee for another 10 years od maintaining at the highest level.

I mean, you can learn so much by only standing next to Paolo in a match. And lets not only say that for Paolo, the same goes for Sergio, Seedorf, Pippo,... Look what Paolo made from Kaladze. He made a C- defender look like a B+ one. Imagine what would he done with a younger and better defender?? I`m just sorry that this oppotunity is not really used.
Rossoneri7
Well u said it, Boban, Shevchenko, Kaka ... These were all class players, even before they came to Milan ... They were tracked by the top clubs and were targets for the top clubs ..

What I am saying is not that Milan only buys 30+ players ... What I m saying is Milan buys the best players for a certain position. When Boban came, he was tracked before that .. He was assessed accordingly, then and only then did he come ... Shevchenko ? We all know that it was Silvio who brought him, there was competition from Madrid and several top clubs, but non could match Berlusconi's desire to sign Shevchenko ... And Kaka was already a top player before he signed for Milan .. Madrid wanted him, Chelsea, and the whole shebang where after him .. But Leonardo made it clear to Galliani that Kaka was rising star and it was just a matter of time till he exploded on the scenes.


What I am saying is .. There are players with exceptional qualities around and those are the players that Milan consider brining in, but to bring in a 20 yr old, just cuz he has been hyped up to be the next Maradona (or whoever ur best all-time player is..) doesn't mean that we have to be on full assault on that player ..


Experience is something crucial for a team to reach a CL final ... Experience is what got Milan through a rough season as last season wink.gif

Then there is the pressure of playing at Milan ... Not many young players succeed. Gilardino is the freshest of examples .. Sure he scored several goals - Overall, he was mediocre ... And that doesn't take anything away from Gila's qualities, just that he isn't ready to play for Milan .. Sampdoria, Roma, etc he would have scored goals from anywhere on the pitch, but the pressure of Milan .. It's too much for these players ...

There are certain players that have special qualities, like Kaka, R9, Shevchenko, Maldini, etc etc .. These players have shown from a very young age that they know their abilities.

And it varies from one player to another .. To bring in (example) Villa; how would u know he would make an impact as Kaka did ? He might have the exact same impact of Gilardino, for all we know wink.gif And that is why I refrain from siding with certain young players .. You would need an expert to tell u if this player was going places .. Sure we can all see that he has been great in the La Liga, but what off Serie A and Jose Mari ..

In closing .. I am not against young players .. I am just pro experience. I would rather Milan bring in a 26 to 30 year old player than bring in a younger players. Because of the targets that Milan has set for each season (CL and Serie A title). At the end of the day, Gourcuff and Grimi are young players that Milan brought .. They have played a fraction of the season, because of the targets that Milan has set, it demands certain attributes that don't pertain to these young players, it is something that takes time .. or maybe it doesn't come to them at all cool.gif
Jack Sparrow
I have hope for Gourcuff. I think he could be big. Otherwise we would have made a mid-field signing by now. We let Tuncay Sanli go instead.
If he weren't as big as we think he can be, Carlo wouldn't make that adjustment to give him more playing time.

As for Grimi, I think he's one of those players that need to play to get better. And there isn't enough room for that in Milan. Hence the loaning. After that, he could turn out to be good or he'll be sold to Celtic. tongue.gif
Fillipo Simone
I am aware for most of the things you said.

And maybe you got me wrong, I dont demand that we buy off a load of those hyped 19-year-old players that can either be Maradona or pack their bags back to from where they came. No...

But i think Boban or Shevchenko are not exemptions. I`m pretty sure right this moment the Croatian league (also only for example, with all its flaws and unbearable moments) hides a potential Boban. Maybe not Croatia, but Brazil for sure...


And I do have that feeling that we are not doing the scouting job we used to do. We were, beside of many things, also discoverers. We did discover a bunch of players that turned out great.

I also consider myself as a pro-experience fan...but I do like it when I can see the interaction between the youth and the vets. We are so full of experience, that, I think we could survive one position to be filled with a younger talent. Talent, not star...
Rossoneri7
DP
Rossoneri7
A jini has taken over my pc ohmy.gif

DP again !!!
Rossoneri7
Ok I think I just beat han's record of triple posting .. The site was too slow
Rossoneri7
Don't think that I am disagreeing wink.gif

Of course fresh players will come in .. It is necessary for continuity .. Scouting for Milan, I believe is still at the same optimal level it has been since Silvio took over ..

I don't think there will ever be another Boban wink.gif As there never will be another Shevchenko wink.gif Nor Maradona (whoever says Messi is insulting a legend). But I do agree that there are players with HUGE potential in the Croatian league (as there are in many other leagues..), it depends on how their respective teams cultivate their talent .. Then it depends on how well they will adapt .. and the whole process takes ages to decide if these young players are good enough to sit on the bench of the top clubs wink.gif


For Arsenal, PSV, etc etc .. It is good that they are signing these young players, as they are giving them room to develop even on th European stage, but what people don't realize is that Milan isn't loosing out on those players wink.gif If Milan wants a player 100%, then consider that player wearing the Milan jersey next season, as simple as that king.gif And it doesn't matter how BIG the player has become, cuz when u look at the Milan line up .. You see the best of the best playing in their respective positions and are sitting on the top of the world as the #1 club (I just love repeating this biggrin.gif ) cool.gif

You said you liked the Experience + Youth mixture ... Sure, that is good ... But it depends on which youth you are talking about ?? Again, me and you can't decide and cry over why Milan did sign this young player or that young player ... The process is not an easy one .. It is not for us to decide .. Cuz as easy as it is for him to succeed, he could flop.

In anycase, the interaction between the youth and vets .. You saw Inzaghi's second goal against the fools wink.gif
Fillipo Simone
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