misha
Sep 3 2007, 06:54 PM
FT 1:1
FORZA MILAN!!
m1ke
Sep 3 2007, 06:55 PM
Annoying, but not as annoying as it's going to be to be seeing Fiorentina roll over when they play Inter/Juve. Nevermind, no more slip-ups from now on.
Zed.D
Sep 3 2007, 06:55 PM
It's over... not much left to say, Fiorentina deserved this point TBH, and we should pray for Ronaldo to be back asap.
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 06:55 PM
this is what i mean when it comes to depth... we played the exact same team we played on friday. why? not enough depth. especially in attack.
Portman
Sep 3 2007, 06:57 PM
It's always the same. Viola, Inter and Juve already laughing at us.
I mean, a team like us can't draw at home against this teams. Maybe against the likes of Inter or Roma, not Fiorentina.
Ambrosini, Emerson and Cafu can go home.
Inter will win this scudetto with +10/15 points. But easily.
Gutted right now.
arivanjj
Sep 3 2007, 06:57 PM
sh!t game... that is what is was
mishie
Sep 3 2007, 06:58 PM
for the 1st hour i thought we were awesome, but tiredness played it's part at the end. poor Gila don't think he could play any worse if he tried!!
A point which i thought at 1 time we weren't gonna get that, but we derserved something from the game
m1ke
Sep 3 2007, 06:59 PM
QUOTE (Porty @ Sep 3 2007, 05:57 PM)
It's always the same. Viola, Inter and Juve already laughing at us.
I mean, a team like us can't draw at home against this teams. Maybe against the likes of Inter or Roma, not Fiorentina.
Ambrosini, Emerson and Cafu can go home.
Inter will win this scudetto with +10/15 points. But easily.
Gutted right now.
It's too early to talk like this, Inter dropped points at home to Udinese. But I agree that we need to improve - any news on Roni?
KillerMax
Sep 3 2007, 06:59 PM
The team was clearly tired. I guess this result was inevitable. What annoys me is why Gourcuff didn't come on for Ambro midway through the 2nd half and that bald guy instead. Gourcuff had solved our problems with his flowing game more than once last season. Bad call by Carletto. -1 for him.
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:00 PM
This game pissed me off so much. We should have won it easily.
Gilardino is a complete waste of our time and should be shown the door. He trips when he is given passes, he dives for no reason. The ball is taken away from him easily. I'm getting fed up with him wasting 60 min of the game.
Dida: 5
Oddo: 6
Nesta: 7
Kaladze: 7
Janku: 6
Gattuso: 6
Pirlo: 8
Ambrosini: 7
Kaka: 5
Seedorf: 7
Gilardino: 4
agenth
Sep 3 2007, 07:00 PM
dont be all so negative.
The supercup on friday had it's effects I guess...
mishie
Sep 3 2007, 07:01 PM
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 3 2007, 05:59 PM)
The team was clearly tired. I guess this result was inevitable. What annoys me is why Gourcuff didn't come on for Ambro midway through the 2nd half and that bald guy instead. Gourcuff had solved our problems with his flowing game more than once last season. Bad call by Carletto. -1 for him.

i agree that game was calling out for Gourcuff...he must start playing soon or i fear he will want a move away
Ry4n
Sep 3 2007, 07:02 PM
yeah Gila wasnt at the super cup he should have been better but i wont judge him to much right now until the end of the season
KillerMax
Sep 3 2007, 07:03 PM
As bigmac said, this is where proper depth would have been of some use. And we lack it. We needed another forward badly and Kaka clearly is NOT one.
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:05 PM
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 3 2007, 12:03 PM)
As bigmac said, this is where proper depth would have been of some use. And we lack it. We needed another forward badly and Kaka clearly is NOT one.
EXACTLY! Gilardino is not cutting it either. Enough seriously, we can't keep relying on kaka to do wonder goals. I say just let inzaghi play the full match at least we have a better chance of doing something up front. Gilardino is absolute garbage.
Portman
Sep 3 2007, 07:09 PM
QUOTE (m1ke @ Sep 3 2007, 06:59 PM)
It's too early to talk like this, Inter dropped points at home to Udinese. But I agree that we need to improve - any news on Roni?
Roni? Expecting him for what? He'll have 4-5 good matches and then get injuried for 2 months as usual.
[1-10]
Dida 6
Oddo 7 (I prefer a tired-Oddo to a fresh-Cafu)
Kaladze 5
Nesta 5
Jankulovski 5
Ambrosini 2 (Was on the penalty but we need an active guy, a younger one. Not Ambro or someone who rarely does something good)
Seedorf 4 (Nothing)
Kaka' 5
Pirlo 6
Gilardino 1 (I can't stand him anymore. Sorry, loan him out in January)
Inzaghi 5 (Not his day)
Carletto 3 (Next time play without fowards you c*nt. Try a 1-6-5 at home.)
----------------------------------------------
Loan Gilardino. Get Mutu (he's 28, Milan age in 1 year).
Get rid of Ambro. Get De Rossi.
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 07:09 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 3 2007, 01:05 PM)
EXACTLY! Gilardino is not cutting it either. Enough seriously, we can't keep relying on kaka to do wonder goals. I say just let inzaghi play the full match at least we have a better chance of doing something up front. Gilardino is absolute garbage.
thats it but inzaghi is tried, it's not gonna work. but the only other striker although injured is ronaldo but you have to play him with another striker, he doesnt work alone up front.
it's pretty pathetic but depth has already hurt us in the 2nd fixture
like i've said and many others, we needed a good start to the season. and this tie is gonna hurt us becaseu we are already chasing juve/roma and soon inter
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (Porty @ Sep 3 2007, 12:09 PM)
Roni? Expecting him for what? He'll have 4-5 good matches and then get injuried for 2 months as usual.
[1-10]
Dida 6
Oddo 7 (I prefer a tired-Oddo to a fresh-Cafu)
Kaladze 5
Nesta 5
Jankulovski 5
Ambrosini 2 (Was on the penalty but we need an active guy, a younger one. Not Ambro or someone who rarely does something good)
Seedorf 4 (Nothing)
Kaka' 5
Pirlo 6
Gilardino 1 (I can't stand him anymore. Sorry, loan him out in January)
Inzaghi 5 (Not his day)
Carletto 3 (Next time play without fowards you c*nt. Try a 1-6-5 at home.)
----------------------------------------------
Loan Gilardino. Get Mutu (he's 28, Milan age in 1 year).
Get rid of Ambro. Get De Rossi.
amen to that.
armiss
Sep 3 2007, 07:10 PM
1 . They were tired but Ancelotti dont pay attention
2 . Gilardino continue to be nothing and when our team see its hard work in front of goal get to nowhere they will be more tired and anxious
3. the only way to change this great Milan problem is a ready Ronaldo
until january that Pato will arrive
this is really sh;;;t that we have only one solution , Galliani and Berlusconi were very proud of being unactive in market and Now : Gilardino
kurtsimonw
Sep 3 2007, 07:12 PM
It looks like a summer of inactivity has already come back to kick us in the @ss already. Give it a few more weeks when the Champions League starts kicking in, our squad will be even thinner then.
mishie
Sep 3 2007, 07:13 PM
let me think....1st league game a easy away win
then....a European super cup win
then 3 days later a draw against a team challenging for a C.L place this season
in my book not a bad start for the first 2 weeks of the season
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:14 PM
See the f*cking problem is, that the board clearly had money to spend but they didn't. Even when carlo said that pato is not enough for the front line, they didn't listen. Now because our board got arrogant and didn't purchase anyone, we have to put up with a stupid diving c*nt for half the season.
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 07:16 PM
i have to laugh i dunno how anyone could say we were ok going into this season with 3 strikers (1 of which is garbage and his last chance really a roll of the dice, pippo whos gonna reetired in a season or two and always injured, and ronaldo who's just as injured as pippo just look at him right now

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Zed.D
Sep 3 2007, 07:21 PM
Gilardino... what a garbage. I'd kick him out of Milan for a player like Pato any time...
Everybody's being pathetic. our only problem was not being able to score. would still rate Kaka and Nesta 5 if we had won 3-1?!! no.
agenth
Sep 3 2007, 07:23 PM
the best thing we can hope for is, that the management will realise our problem and fix it the best way one can in january...
kurtsimonw
Sep 3 2007, 07:24 PM
QUOTE (mchanna @ Sep 3 2007, 06:23 PM)
the best thing we can hope for is, that the management will realise our problem and fix it the best way one can in january...
If our management is so short-sighted that they didn't see this coming all summer, they shouldn't be there.
whoarethepatriots
Sep 3 2007, 07:24 PM
Pippo missed a fairly easy chance from what i can tell, why is he not being crucified
Pippo misses an easy chance and he is not having a good day, Gila does the same and he should be sold?
He was playing well at the start of the match, and he traditionally starts off slow, i dont see why at this early stage we should attack anyone least off all Gila,
his confidence is clearly low and beeing booed at by your own supporters does not help, supporters should do exactly that, lift the team not attack them and demoralise them further (this point is only relevant to San Siro crowd)
Portman
Sep 3 2007, 07:25 PM
This is the time I envy teams like Inter, Liverpool, R.Madrid, Barcelona... I mean, just look at Liverpool-depth for example. It's impressive.
In today's football it's the key for sucess: the depth and the battle for places in the team.
Otherwise we can start the season with "OK, we'll concentrate in the Champions League. We just want the 4th spot in the League."
KillerMax
Sep 3 2007, 07:25 PM
QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 3 2007, 12:13 PM)
let me think....1st league game a easy away win
then....a European super cup win
then 3 days later a draw against a team challenging for a C.L place this season
in my book not a bad start for the first 2 weeks of the season

We had 2 days of rest. But that doesn't make this result any less annoying.
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 07:26 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Sep 3 2007, 01:24 PM)
Pippo missed a fairly easy chance from what i can tell, why is he not being crucified
Pippo misses an easy chance and he is not having a good day, Gila does the same and he should be sold?
He was playing well at the start of the match, and he traditionally starts off slow, i dont see why at this early stage we should attack anyone least off all Gila,
his confidence is clearly low and beeing booed at by your own supporters does not help, supporters should do exactly that, lift the team not attack them and demoralise them further (this point is only relevant to San Siro crowd)
no i agree with you on that but all the more to have more depth in attack. all three of them can play **** all year and it wont matter cuz they'll all get plenty of play with our "great depth"
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 07:28 PM
QUOTE (Porty @ Sep 3 2007, 01:25 PM)
This is the time I envy teams like Inter, Liverpool, R.Madrid, Barcelona... I mean, just look at Liverpool-depth for example. It's impressive.
In today's football it's the key for sucess: the depth and the battle for places in the team.
Otherwise we can start the season with "OK, we'll concentrate in the Champions League. We just want the 4th spot in the League."
liverpool can play without 4-5 starters and still win 4-0 against easy opposition. if it was liverpool on friday they would have rested 3-4 starters in the super cup and still been favorites and rest 1-2 in the domestic match which would have resulted in a fairly fresh side.
kurtsimonw
Sep 3 2007, 07:30 PM
I mentioned it earlier, Gila will always be picked on, no idea why. He has a better Milan record than George Weah, he got 17 goals in his first season and was the only go to get into double figures in the league last year.
Without Gila, we're a UEFA CUp team.
Liverpool and Inter know how to do it. We're doing a United, we've not got good enough depth, so we're struggling.
mishie
Sep 3 2007, 07:31 PM
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Sep 3 2007, 06:25 PM)
We had 2 days of rest. But that doesn't make this result any less annoying.
can't say i'm annoyed to be honest, a little frustrated but early days
i ain't gonna get on the teams back this early in the season (with a trophy already as well), i find Gila's form upsetting for sure but he has tp play through this to find form and confidence. Yes i would change things as everybody has different views on who should play and who shouldn't but c'mon game 2 of the season and some people are crucifying the team and the board already!
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Sep 3 2007, 12:24 PM)
Pippo missed a fairly easy chance from what i can tell, why is he not being crucified
Pippo misses an easy chance and he is not having a good day, Gila does the same and he should be sold?
He was playing well at the start of the match, and he traditionally starts off slow, i dont see why at this early stage we should attack anyone least off all Gila,
his confidence is clearly low and beeing booed at by your own supporters does not help, supporters should do exactly that, lift the team not attack them and demoralise them further (this point is only relevant to San Siro crowd)
Because in the last 3 years how many goals did inzaghi score and how many has gila scored. The reason we aren't blaming inzaghi is because we know he can score, sure he had a bad day. But we know that in the future inzaghi can score goals and if he was in his prime he would have netted 20+ a season. The problem is, its gilardino's job to net 20+, not 34 year old inzaghi. Why is it that we have to rely on a nearly retired striker to produce us goals. No other team in the world does that. Gilardino is supposed to be doing what sheva did, be our striker. Right now he isnt doing anything and furthermore he is making players like kaka and seedorf very annoyed.
Put yourself in kakas boots for a second and imagine that every play you give to your foreward is ruined. It is like he isn't playing without a foreward and its very frustrating if you dont have someone upfront who is a "proven" finisher. For those that didn't watch the game, a thru ball was given to gilardino where he could have had a touch and could have scored easily. What he did instead was trip over the ball and dive.
armiss
Sep 3 2007, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Sep 3 2007, 10:54 PM)
Pippo missed a fairly easy chance from what i can tell, why is he not being crucified
Pippo misses an easy chance and he is not having a good day, Gila does the same and he should be sold?
He was playing well at the start of the match, and he traditionally starts off slow, i dont see why at this early stage we should attack anyone least off all Gila,
his confidence is clearly low and beeing booed at by your own supporters does not help, supporters should do exactly that, lift the team not attack them and demoralise them further (this point is only relevant to San Siro crowd)
Yes we must do that , all of the times : Support , but every one has a Responsibility and Gilardino Responsibility is GOAL that he didnt do for Milan in sensitive moments
Ry4n
Sep 3 2007, 07:32 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Sep 3 2007, 06:24 PM)
Pippo missed a fairly easy chance from what i can tell, why is he not being crucified
Pippo misses an easy chance and he is not having a good day, Gila does the same and he should be sold?
He was playing well at the start of the match, and he traditionally starts off slow, i dont see why at this early stage we should attack anyone least off all Gila,
his confidence is clearly low and beeing booed at by your own supporters does not help, supporters should do exactly that, lift the team not attack them and demoralise them further (this point is only relevant to San Siro crowd)
Gila will get back to form im sure of it
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 07:34 PM
QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 3 2007, 01:31 PM)
can't say i'm annoyed to be honest, a little frustrated but early days
i ain't gonna get on the teams back this early in the season (with a trophy already as well), i find Gila's form upsetting for sure but he has tp play through this to find form and confidence. Yes i would change things as everybody has different views on who should play and who shouldn't but c'mon game 2 of the season and some people are crucifying the team and
the board already!no just the board because they have cost us 2 games already.
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:35 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 3 2007, 12:30 PM)
I mentioned it earlier, Gila will always be picked on, no idea why. He has a better Milan record than George Weah, he got 17 goals in his first season and was the only go to get into double figures in the league last year.
Without Gila, we're a UEFA CUp team.
Liverpool and Inter know how to do it. We're doing a United, we've not got good enough depth, so we're struggling.
how many goals did he have 12? How many chances did he have 400, 500?
mishie
Sep 3 2007, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Sep 3 2007, 06:34 PM)
no just the board because they have cost us 2 games already.
2 games?? what 2 games are they?
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 07:37 PM
QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 3 2007, 01:36 PM)
2 games?? what 2 games are they?
no strike force/ no depth = tired team which cost us the game.
armiss
Sep 3 2007, 07:37 PM
QUOTE (mishie @ Sep 3 2007, 11:01 PM)
can't say i'm annoyed to be honest, a little frustrated but early days
i ain't gonna get on the teams back this early in the season (with a trophy already as well), i find Gila's form upsetting for sure but he has tp play through this to find form and confidence. Yes i would change things as everybody has different views on who should play and who shouldn't but c'mon game 2 of the season and some people are crucifying the team and the board already!
points in start of the season or in the end of the season is equal , we dont attack Gilardino or Board for 2 game of the season we criticise them for a continous problem that last season had a great show on the scene !!!!
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 07:39 PM
QUOTE (armisse @ Sep 3 2007, 01:37 PM)
points in start of the season or in the end of the season is equal , we dont attack Gilardino or Board for 2 game of the season we criticise them for a
continous problem that last season had a great show on the scene !!!!
right you mean a problem that we had last year that was patched a lil with ronaldo but then worsened with us getting ride of 2 strikers and bringing none in? no i'd call that continous.
kurtsimonw
Sep 3 2007, 07:43 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 3 2007, 06:35 PM)
how many goals did he have 12? How many chances did he have 400, 500?
1) Why have the manager kept faith in him if he's so bad.
2) Why haven't they replaced him if he's so bad.
It's their fault, and only theirs. Two summers of nothing isn't going to help a team go forward.
2 games in 4 days can not be used as an excuse, we'll be doing that regularly when the Champions League starts, I'm worried for the times ahead.
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:44 PM
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Sep 3 2007, 12:39 PM)
right you mean a problem that we had last year that was patched a lil with ronaldo but then worsened with us getting ride of 2 strikers and bringing none in? no i'd call that continous.
perfect. Can't be said better if tried.
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 3 2007, 12:43 PM)
1) Why have the manager kept faith in him if he's so bad.
2) Why haven't they replaced him if he's so bad.
It's their fault, and only theirs. Two summers of nothing isn't going to help a team go forward.
2 games in 4 days can not be used as an excuse, we'll be doing that regularly when the Champions League starts, I'm worried for the times ahead.

1) Who else were they gonna keep faith in oli? Also gila is in his prime so technically he he should be scoring.
2) Because they are cheap and are not into looking too spending too much for a striker around gilardino's age.
armiss
Sep 3 2007, 07:48 PM
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Sep 3 2007, 11:09 PM)
right you mean a problem that we had last year that was patched a lil with ronaldo but then worsened with us getting ride of 2 strikers and bringing none in? no i'd call that continous.
continous problem is Gilardno , expectations from a 25 Milion euro striker had no answer for fans and more important for the team that their great work must be end with GOALS not with continous Seedorf and Kaka aid
kurtsimonw
Sep 3 2007, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 3 2007, 06:46 PM)
1) Who else were they gonna keep faith in oli? Also gila is in his prime so technically he he should be scoring.
2) Because they are cheap and are not into looking too spending too much for a striker around gilardino's age.
The answer to both of those is buy someone else. If they're cheap, that's their own problem, they shouldn't make R10 their one and only target.
bigmacmtl
Sep 3 2007, 07:49 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Sep 3 2007, 01:46 PM)
1) Who else were they gonna keep faith in oli? Also gila is in his prime so technically he he should be scoring.
2) Because they are cheap and are not into looking too spending too much for a striker around gilardino's age.
ya i think their being stubborn cuz if they get ride of selling gila it's open admitting that that they completely wasted 24m on him and since they dont spend anything selling gila and getting sumone else would cost them, dare i say money!!
Bluesummers
Sep 3 2007, 07:50 PM
i say we go and spend the 25 on huntelaar and get rid of that joke of a so-called striker.
Jack Sparrow
Sep 3 2007, 07:52 PM
Well duh....we drew 1-1 against a team which is pushing for Europe, and we're talking like we lost 6-0 or something.
Second game of the season, 2 days of rest, first 60 minutes on top of Fiorentina, last 30 minutes ran out of steam, why are we all acting like it's a catastrophe??
First of we all agree that the Viola are good, in fact imo, on their day they could beat Arsenal even.
So Gila screwed up? Well if I recall correctly it's his first full game of the season and I'm not gonna nail him to to cross coz of one missed chance.
I haven't seen the match to be honest, but to all you guys lamenting our lack of depth and strikers etc. are we honestly saying that Gila was THE ONLY reason we couldn't win?? Or one of the reasons? Are Fiorentina so undeserving of credit?
And as for depth, geez there's depth in the mid-field as far as I can see, defence seems ok, a little frayed though. I've been saying for some time that Janku is a LM who can play LB, when what we need is vice-versa. And I recall someone saying Janku could've done better with the goal.
And the ratings are obviously gonna be bad, since we drew....but then this is typical, I remember something like this happening, when we lost to AEK Athens last year(surely this isn't so bad) and how suddenly, our board was totally cr@p, and then we landed Pato and Galliani and co. were heroes again and now we drew against the Viola (imo the 5th best team in Italy any given day, and on some days even better) and now Galliani is Porty's favourite part of the anatomy again.
All of y'all need Zen. Heck there's another 35 or more games to go. There's plenty left to smash Inter and pile the poop on Barca. If we hit December and are placed 4th, with a greater than 8 point deficit behind the leader, then we'll talk of failure.
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