Fillipo Simone
Oct 1 2007, 10:53 AM
There has been no link between Milan and him right now. The only indicator would be a hint Mourinho gave about going to Italy, but most of the journalists agree in seeing him as a Juventus coach candidate. But I'm curious...Would we even welcome him, if,...
Nova
Oct 1 2007, 11:37 AM
He's no Milan type of coach , all the media stuff around him is nothing for Milan. He's perfect for Real Madrid , the ideal clown .
Not now , not in the future , never !!
Fillipo Simone
Oct 1 2007, 11:41 AM
QUOTE (Nova @ Oct 1 2007, 11:37 AM)
He's no Milan type of coach , all the media stuff around him is nothing for Milan. He's perfect for Real Madrid , the ideal clown .
Not now , not in the future , never !!
Agree with you,..
Ancelotti has been much more successful with Milan as Mourinho has been with Chelsea while also spending MUCH less! But this is not the reason why I don't want him here... Milan shall begin a new adventure sooner rather than later and Carletto does not have a ticket for the ride; for the winning mentality to be maintained in Milan a change of coach every 4 years or so is required (so says our history). Mourinho as coach has what it takes to keep Milan on top and he truly is a special one but... he's a man I don't want associated with Milan!
redbabies
Oct 1 2007, 12:45 PM
Better here with us, then with the opposition (Juve, Inter)
If he goes to Inter, they'll become twice stronger. I dont like that!
Also, he'd make Juve very strong in 1-2 yrs.
But still, if he doesn't have every player he ask for, he'll fail. For every bad result in Chelsea he complained that they need a RB. That was the only position they didn't have a world-class player. And IMO there's not any team that has world-class players for every 11 positions (well maybe just Barca). So, with Chelsea he won 2 Premiership titles, but totally failed in Europe.
Also, if he'll ever come to Milan, Silvio will change his attitude. He wouldn't behave like in Chelsea.
LaPalma
Oct 1 2007, 12:49 PM
QUOTE (redbabies @ Oct 1 2007, 12:45 PM)
Better here with us, then with the opposition (Juve, Inter)If he goes to Inter, they'll become twice stronger. I dont like that!
Also, he'd make Juve very strong in 1-2 yrs.
But still, if he doesn't have every player he ask for, he'll fail. For every bad result in Chelsea he complained that they need a RB. That was the only position they didn't have a world-class player. And IMO there's not any team that has world-class players for every 11 positions (well maybe just Barca). So, with Chelsea he won 2 Premiership titles, but totally failed in Europe.
Also, if he'll ever come to Milan, Silvio will change his attitude. He wouldn't behave like in Chelsea.
Mourinho changing his attitude? He's as stubborn as Silvio. Two strong men in one club doesn't work. That's why he left Chelsea. Mourinho wants to have much more rights than Silvio or Galliani are willing to give anyone.
Rossoneri7
Oct 1 2007, 03:41 PM
Maybe Carlo is destined to be the SAF of Milan
Portman
Oct 1 2007, 09:27 PM
Obviously I'd like to have the world's best coach in my club. A guy that knows how to motivate the players, essentially that.
Only an muppet would say no to José Mourinho.
Tennie
Oct 1 2007, 09:34 PM
Call me a muppet, then.

Mourinho is a gifted coach, but to me his public persona (that which we see in press conferences, interviews, etc etc etc) is just....icky. Really icky. The arrogance, the sense of entitlement, the lack of responsibility for his team's faults, etc etc. I don't care how good he is. I don't want to see him in Milan.
QUOTE (Porty @ Oct 1 2007, 11:27 PM)
Obviously I'd like to have the world's best coach in my club.
The world's best? Based on what?? Mr. Arrogant should go to the all-whites... he suits them perfectly!
Zed.D
Oct 1 2007, 10:46 PM
QUOTE (Porty @ Oct 1 2007, 11:57 PM)
Obviously I'd like to have the world's best coach in my club. A guy that knows how to motivate the players, essentially that.
Only an muppet would say no to José Mourinho.
I don't consider Mou as the world's best coach (he IS one of the six or seven best coaches in Europe). but I think he can become the world's best coach at Milan

. though I know he wouldn't last in Milan more than two or three seasons.
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 2 2007, 12:20 AM)
The world's best? Based on what??
Based on that fact that Mourinho is Porty's countryman!
Darunia
Oct 1 2007, 10:56 PM
I would take him if it meant that he wouldn't go to Inter or Juve.
Now if he would go to another country, then I wouldn't want him that badly.
bigmacmtl
Oct 1 2007, 11:02 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 1 2007, 03:50 PM)
The world's best? Based on what?? Mr. Arrogant should go to the all-whites... he suits them perfectly!
k one think that i do think would help us is not to bring on DM when we need a goal, mourinho has guts and time after time chelsea have gone on to get all 3 pts because of his tactics.
Portman
Oct 1 2007, 11:14 PM
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Oct 1 2007, 10:46 PM)
Based on that fact that Mourinho is Porty's countryman!

Ex: C.Ronaldo is portuguese and I do not consider him the best player in the world.
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Oct 2 2007, 01:02 AM)
k one think that i do think would help us is not to bring on DM when we need a goal, mourinho has guts and time after time chelsea have gone on to get all 3 pts because of his tactics.
I only said I don't consider him to be the world's best... The best coach right now, based on results, would be Carlo Ancelotti! Also, the best coach, based on... well basically me

, would be Rafa Benitez!
Mourinho is a great coach and I would love to have him on my team but unfortunately he comes in bundle with the man Mourinho whom I loathe! His personality is not Milan class! And yes, I do care about that!!
Rossoneri7
Oct 2 2007, 12:34 AM
Mourinho the best in the world
Please !!! The ONLY reason he won those EPLs is when Arsenal and United where facing difficulties in the league!!
Then considering United and Arsenal this season, Chelsea really didn't stand a chance ... He is a great manager IMO, but not the best in the world.
He won the CL because he faced Monaco in the final

Had it been one of the usual suspects, he wouldn't even be considering the thought of being called the special one!
Still I do rate this coach! But his attitude is not something that AC Milan affiliates with. All our coachs are respectable coaches whom talk little and haul in the results ... Bringing a media circus to Milan is the last thing Berlusconi would consider, after all it is a prestigious club.
Zed.D
Oct 2 2007, 02:28 PM
QUOTE (Porty @ Oct 2 2007, 01:44 AM)
Ex: C.Ronaldo is portuguese and I do not consider him the best player in the world.
Who considers him the best in the world?!

CR7 "at his best" is one of the five best players in the world.
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 2 2007, 03:04 AM)
Mourinho the best in the world
Please !!! The ONLY reason he won those EPLs is when Arsenal and United where facing difficulties in the league!!
Then considering United and Arsenal this season, Chelsea really didn't stand a chance ... He is a great manager IMO, but not the best in the world.
I think few would agree with you on that. Chelsea's success in 2004/05 and 2005/06 was quite deserving. just look over their records, they talk for themselves.
But that kind of success was temporal and would have come to an end with or without Mourinho. because Abramovich doesn't exactly know how to keep a club successful for a decade or more. in my opinion, Chelsea was England's best in that period but it's over now. two years from now, they will become the same team they've been for a century; only a "good" club like Roma in Italy or Atletico in Spain. I know they still have Roman's money, but money cannot always bring success, not in football.
I see Jose as the most important figure behind that success tbh.
QUOTE
He won the CL because he faced Monaco in the final

Had it been one of the usual suspects, he wouldn't even be considering the thought of being called the special one!
Have you forgotten how his Porto eliminated Man U and Deportivo from the CL...
Rossoneri7
Oct 2 2007, 10:32 PM
^^^
I am not telling anyone to agree with me, it is my opinion first and foremost. Chelsea's record of not losing a home game in 99 consecutive home games defines Mourinho's time in London. But that doesn't cancel out the fact that there was no competition in those seasons. I mean, kind of like inter last season, there was a gap between first place and second place.
Then about the CL .. Milan got knocked out with a 4-0 thrashing from Deportivo

What I was implying was had any of the "usual suspects" (Milan, Madrid, Liverpool, etc) made it to the final, Mourinho wouldn't be calling himself the special one. STILL !!! I do regard him as a great manager.
Zed.D
Oct 3 2007, 12:58 PM
^^^
Well, Mourinho is still at the beginning of his coaching career and he's already won A LOT of prestigious titles (Champions League, FA Cup, EPL, UEFA and ...). at Milan, he can be anything he wants... even "the special one". he must change his attitude though. because this is no longer Chelsea or EPL. it's Milan... it's all about class!
But after all I know that he won't come. that's simple. we have to bear Carlo for at least two more seasons, maybe more.
Jack Sparrow
Oct 3 2007, 03:15 PM
QUOTE
But after all I know that he won't come. that's simple. we have to bear Carlo for at least two more seasons, maybe more.
That's not really fair. This is Ancelloti not Terim.
Zed.D
Oct 3 2007, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 3 2007, 05:45 PM)
That's not really fair. This is Ancelloti not Terim.
Sorry, maybe I should have said "I have to bear him"...
I think his time is just over. his defensive style of football just makes me sick. his substitutions are just nerve-cracking. he's wasting Gourcuff's talent by sitting him on the bench in favor of players who don't even deserve to be in this team, like Brocchi. he's using Kaka where he can't give 100% to the team. he's in love with +30yo players, etc.
Isn't it just the right time for him to leave?!
mishie
Oct 3 2007, 10:43 PM
Mourinho......god no!
Portman
Oct 4 2007, 12:26 AM
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Oct 2 2007, 02:28 PM)
Who considers him the best in the world?! 
CR7 "at his best" is one of the five best players in the world.
Ask that to Man United fans.
kurtsimonw
Oct 4 2007, 02:57 AM
I think Mourinho IS the best coach in the World.
People can say what they want about him, fact is he won 6 trophies in 3 years in the EPL, very impressive (Never facing anyone outside the top 4 in a Cup Final, so they always had a difficult game).
As for Europe. He won the UEFA Cup, a year later, he was a European Champion. Who cares they only played Monaco in the Final? They knocked United out along the way.
I don't rate Carlo higher because he has had a great Milan team to work with, and like many of you say, coaches in Italy don't do as much as they do in the EPL. Jose wins trophies with HIS team. Carlo wins it with Silvios.
His record speaks for itself. 5 straight league titles, 2 straight European titles, the amazing league home unbeaten record. There simply is no other like Mourinho. Whichever team gets him is very, very lucky.
Darunia
Oct 4 2007, 05:20 AM
If we do get Mourinho... in that unlikely chance.. expect some changes. We might actually play with wingers
Jack Sparrow
Oct 4 2007, 06:58 AM
I don't really rate Jose's use of wingers very highly. For that you'd have to look at Ramos or Ferguson. Jose is probably the best coach in pressure tactics.
As such his attack depends a lot on the quality of his attackers, and not so much their team creativity. But he builds a very strong defence.
Nova
Oct 4 2007, 09:41 AM
Best Coach ??
He's a showman , wants to get the attention , looooves to get attention and I dont want my beloved , our beloved Milan to be associated with a clown like him.
Forza Carlo !
Nova
Oct 4 2007, 09:46 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 4 2007, 02:57 AM)
I don't rate Carlo higher because he has had a great Milan team to work with, and like many of you say, coaches in Italy don't do as much as they do in the EPL. Jose wins trophies with HIS team. Carlo wins it with Silvios.
And Mourinho didnt had a great chelsea to work with ?
When Carlo took over Milan was playing the Uefa cup . When Mourinho arrived at chelsea he got every player he wanted to.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 4 2007, 04:57 AM)
Jose wins trophies with HIS team. Carlo wins it with Silvios.
So what??
Actually, that's more kudos to Carlo cause he's not playing with the players he picked himself!
Mourinho had not had a great team to work with (at Chelsea)?? Come on now... he spend 100X the money Milan did and every single season he was out before us, never reached the final and of course never won the CL! Even last season when we were playing with one XI he couldn't do better than us...
Portman
Oct 4 2007, 09:14 PM
I'd like to see Carletto winning a CL with Porto.
Yes, because Porto as you know can buy every player they want.
armiss
Oct 4 2007, 09:40 PM
i like to see mourinho in Parma and then Juventus and Then ,, to Milan ? No No
kurtsimonw
Oct 5 2007, 02:03 AM
Why does everyone automatically link Jose with Chelsea? Yes he had succes there, but he did so with Porto, too.
He was able to get everyone he wanted, but it's not like Chelsea was built up with huge obvious players. If anybody on here thinks Cech and Carvalho would be playing for a top team right now if Chelsea didn't buy them, they're kidding themselves. He identified lesser known players, and built them into a strong team at Chelsea.
But it's not like Carlo had huge price-tag players like Rui, Sheva, Nesta, Inzaghi and Gila to work with. Oh, he did.
QUOTE
And Mourinho didnt had a great chelsea to work with ?
Well, either you're rating Carvalho & Terry as good as Paolo and Nesta, or you're proving my point that Carlo has a better team to work with. Your call.
bigmacmtl
Oct 5 2007, 04:14 AM
there is a fine line between success and failure. but you look at the semis mourinho has been involved in the past 5 years he's had what 3? and 3 for carlo? we look at what happened @ PSV we were lucky to make then finals and chelsea in 05/06 we're unlucky not to make the final losing on that dubious goal and outplaying pool... so roles can easily be reversed here. a coach can do a lot but he can only take a team so far. mourinho has a great record in CL and dominant one in the league while carlo has only been good in CL.
kurtsimonw
Oct 5 2007, 04:18 AM
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Oct 5 2007, 03:14 AM)
there is a fine line between success and failure. but you look at the semis mourinho has been invlved in the past 5 years he's had what 3? and 3 for carlo? we look at what happened @ PSV we were lucky ot make then finals and chelsea in 05/06 we're unlucky not to make the final losing on that dubious goal and outplaying pool... so roles can easily be reserved here. i coach can do a lot but he can only take a team so far.
mourinho has a great record in CL and dominant one in the league while carlo has only been good in CL.Spot on.
Bluesummers
Oct 5 2007, 04:46 AM
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Oct 4 2007, 09:14 PM)
there is a fine line between success and failure. but you look at the semis mourinho has been involved in the past 5 years he's had what 3? and 3 for carlo? we look at what happened @ PSV we were lucky to make then finals and chelsea in 05/06 we're unlucky not to make the final losing on that dubious goal and outplaying pool... so roles can easily be reversed here. a coach can do a lot but he can only take a team so far. mourinho has a great record in CL and dominant one in the league while carlo has only been good in CL.
With mourinho, ronnie and messi will surely come and our debt will increase upto 200 mil
QUOTE (Porty @ Oct 4 2007, 11:14 PM)
I'd like to see Carletto winning a CL with Porto.
Yes, because Porto as you know can buy every player they want.

He didn't even reach the final with Chelsea though... so for me, what he achieved with Porto was just a one-off! Unless he proves me wrong...
Kurt... just look at the money Mourinho spent while at Chelsea and the money Milan spent in the same period... it can't even be compared!
It's not true that Carlo has only been good in the CL. He won it once and we all know why he came second another two... one certain team was demoted!
It's not that I admire Carletto so much... I think he's not a great tactician... but in my view, in these 3 seasons that Jose has been at Chelsea, he has done better!
Jack Sparrow
Oct 5 2007, 02:48 PM
QUOTE
I think he's not a great tactician
I don't think he's that kind of coach, who makes on the fly tactics and so on.
Actually, when you are theoretically playing a possession-passing game, it's very difficult to do, since it depends on some players being in some places at the right time.
If anything, he depends on Milan playing their natural game, which every opposition knows, but playing it so well, that they don't have a chance to stop them. Of course it works only when our players have a point to prove..as we are seeing. For instance against Bayern and Liverpool.
But then you have tacticians like Mourinho and Benitez, who don't really stick to a playing philosphy, instead have a more theoretical approach to the game. Mourinho's for instance relies on pressure, and forcing the opponent to break.
I think you will see this difference very clearly in a lot of coaches. The ones who were goodplayers themselves...Rijkaard, Carletto, Fergie usually play to their team's strengths, leaving quite a bit of freedom to their players who play within a general philosophy. While teams with coaches like Mourinho and Benitez, are more of a drilled, workman-like team. Each player functioning like a component of a machine.
However Wenger is an exception. I don't know of him as too good a player, yet his team plays really beautifully.
Of course I can't judge which is better, but I prefer the Carlo kinda football. When we play it that is. Lately we've been playinng football like we're on America's funniest home videos.
kurtsimonw
Oct 5 2007, 02:54 PM
With our current situation, Carlo is about the worst coach imaginable for the job. Our players are losing confidence, it's a 'down time' for Milan. We need a motivating guy that will get the players going, that will not accept 2nd rate performances. Jose will do that, Carlo will just sit on the bench and accept whatever his players do, or so it seems that way from our games recently.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 5 2007, 04:54 PM)
With our current situation, Carlo is about the worst coach imaginable for the job. Our players are losing confidence, it's a 'down time' for Milan. We need a motivating guy that will get the players going, that will not accept 2nd rate performances. Jose will do that, Carlo will just sit on the bench and accept whatever his players do, or so it seems that way from our games recently.
And what would Mourinho or anyone else do?? I mean... it's not like he have any good bench players that can replace on of our starters!! They all know they are going to play no matter what... we can't sub them all, we're going to get thrashed!
Jack Sparrow
Oct 5 2007, 03:18 PM
QUOTE
We need a motivating guy that will get the players going, that will not accept 2nd rate performances.
Something like that happened with Sacchi and MVB...and that didn't go too well.
Nope Mourinho and Seedorf are sure to get into a fight. And while Rino,Pirlo and Kaka are sure to have a place I don't know about others.
For eg. a few Milan favourites will be most likely out. Pippo, Max, Brocchi(yes, to some that's a good thing), Kaladze...and so on.
Mourinho's not really a coach who looks like he respects any unwritten traditions of a club, and while that's fine for a team like Chelsea who's trying to build a rep, it'll not work when you have a heritage of a 100 years.
But then again Jose knows it, and wouldn't do anything stupid.
But practically, why we would run into trouble...
1. Ego clashes with players..(remember the note to Terry, imagine if he does something like that to Paolo or Nesta or Rino)
2. He's got to do something with a team that Carlo designed to play in a specific way. He does not play a passing game (beats me why he got Ballack and Sheva in though)...
3. Even if he had January, I don't think Milan are eager to shell out the kind of cash, he had in Chelsea. We don't earn as much as the 7th placed team in EPL...wtf are we gonna do.
Jack Sparrow
Oct 5 2007, 03:19 PM
^^^
Oh and the most important reason...I don't like his football style. His kung fu ain't so good.
Fillipo Simone
Oct 5 2007, 03:44 PM
Jack speaks the truth,..
bigmacmtl
Oct 5 2007, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 5 2007, 09:18 AM)
Something like that happened with Sacchi and MVB...and that didn't go too well.
Nope Mourinho and Seedorf are sure to get into a fight. And while Rino,Pirlo and Kaka are sure to have a place I don't know about others.
For eg. a few Milan favourites will be most likely out. Pippo, Max, Brocchi(yes, to some that's a good thing), Kaladze...and so on.
Mourinho's not really a coach who looks like he respects any unwritten traditions of a club, and while that's fine for a team like Chelsea who's trying to build a rep, it'll not work when you have a heritage of a 100 years.
But then again Jose knows it, and wouldn't do anything stupid.
But practically, why we would run into trouble...
1. Ego clashes with players..(remember the note to Terry, imagine if he does something like that to Paolo or Nesta or Rino)
2. He's got to do something with a team that Carlo designed to play in a specific way. He does not play a passing game (beats me why he got Ballack and Sheva in though)...
3. Even if he had January, I don't think Milan are eager to shell out the kind of cash, he had in Chelsea. We don't earn as much as the 7th placed team in EPL...wtf are we gonna do.
1-mourinho isnt an idiot just as any professional coach isnt, as a motivator he knows what works and what doesnt with certain players. of course he would do things differently with a different club because ur making it shoud he would barge in and act the exact same way. one of the reasons mourinho acted like that when he went to chelsea because he was trying to add spunk and character to a club that had none and no history. it was his way of making them stand out and gain respect so he wouldnt have to act like that with us. and dont act like he sends letter to everyone whenever they do something wrong, exactly how many times did he do that(if it's even true)? once
2-of course every coach designs a team to his liking, so it would be the same story no matter who came in. there would have to be changes.ah he dint want sheva and ballack, abromivich made him get them...
3- we need to make a couple of changes in january but obviously we cant do everything over night. we we're what the 4th richest club in the world??? we may spend less then everyone else but it doesnt mean we dont have the money.
Portman
Oct 5 2007, 05:01 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 5 2007, 03:19 PM)
^^^
Oh and the most important reason...I don't like his football style. His kung fu ain't so good.

Porto played some good football when they won the UEFA Cup and CL. You guys like to forget what he did before Chelsea.
kurtsimonw
Oct 5 2007, 06:33 PM
QUOTE (Porty @ Oct 5 2007, 04:01 PM)
Porto played some good football when they won the UEFA Cup and CL. You guys like to forget what he did before Chelsea.
Exactly.
QUOTE (Porty @ Oct 5 2007, 07:01 PM)
Porto played some good football when they won the UEFA Cup and CL. You guys like to forget what he did before Chelsea.
They played good football back then that's true... but we don't forget what he did there more than you focus only on that only...
agenth
Oct 5 2007, 09:54 PM
I choose Option 2 [ better with us thant he oppisiton]
because of two accounts
1) I respect him, and he's a great football coach
2) I fear what effect he might have on Inter....
kurtsimonw
Oct 5 2007, 10:39 PM
I agree with Hanna.
Zed.D
Oct 5 2007, 11:13 PM
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Oct 5 2007, 06:44 AM)
there is a fine line between success and failure. but you look at the semis mourinho has been involved in the past 5 years he's had what 3? and 3 for carlo? we look at what happened
@ PSV we were lucky to make then finals and chelsea in 05/06 we're unlucky not to make the final losing on that dubious goal and outplaying pool... so roles can easily be reversed here. a coach can do a lot but he can only take a team so far. mourinho has a great record in CL and dominant one in the league while carlo has only been good in CL.
QUOTE (bigmacmtl @ Oct 5 2007, 07:25 PM)
1-mourinho isnt an idiot just as any professional coach isnt,
as a motivator he knows what works and what doesnt with certain players. of course he would do things differently with a different club because ur making it shoud he would barge in and act the exact same way. one of the reasons mourinho acted like that when he went to chelsea because he was trying to add spunk and character to a club that had none and no history. it was his way of making them stand out and gain respect so he wouldnt have to act like that with us. and dont act like he sends letter to everyone whenever they do something wrong, exactly how many times did he do that(if it's even true)? once
2-of course every coach designs a team to his liking, so it would be the same story no matter who came in. there would have to be changes.ah he dint want sheva and ballack, abromivich made him get them...
3- we need to make a couple of changes in january but obviously we cant do everything over night. we we're what the 4th richest club in the world??? we may spend less then everyone else but it doesnt mean we dont have the money.
My, o, my... speaking the truth. especially the bold parts...
Fillipo Simone
Oct 6 2007, 01:41 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 5 2007, 10:39 PM)
I would love to see Moratti and Mourinho co-work. I think Mourinho would do the "Carvalho thing again" and make some remarks on Massimo's intelligence,..
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