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Zed.D
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 9 2009, 08:58 PM) *
Is that from goal.com, zeddie? Please remember to cite sources.

I did wink.gif

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 10 2009, 09:24 AM) *
Actually...Dunga's choices have been vindicated so far. He's picking the players to suit his tactics instead of vice versa, and until it flops miserably we can't complain.
While I don't in the least bit mind, them having the rest (it's only a friendly)..it would suck if they weren't called for the World Cup.

Disagree. IMO players must earn their call ups otherwise it's plain favoritism. Baptista and Robinho are not even playing regularly for their league teams but are called up. and those who are trying hard to be back at the Selecao aren't. how's this fair? I despise Dunga. he's always snubbed Pato.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 10 2009, 09:42 AM) *
So are Brazil still great, I haven't seen them play for a while, should I expect England to get beat badly?

I hope with all my heart you beat them badly. Dunga shouldn't get away with this one.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 10 2009, 02:17 PM) *
Disagree. IMO players must earn their call ups otherwise it's plain favoritism. Baptista and Robinho are not even playing regularly for their league teams but are called up. and those who are trying hard to be back at the Selecao aren't. how's this fair? I despise Dunga. he's always snubbed Pato.


I hope with all my heart you beat them badly. Dunga shouldn't get away with this one.


Believe me...I agree with you. I said his choices are being vindicated, not that I agree with them. Until Brazil lose, you cannot fault his team composition.

Dunga can always argue his job is to make the selecao win, and not provide a platform for all well performing Brazillian players to play. And as long as he hasn't come out and said 'Pato will never make it into the team'...nothing can be done in form of criticism. He hasn't shut the door on anyone 'officially'.
Zed.D
Have you forgotten the days where Brazil were playing like **** and he'd still refuse to play Pato?! I still think he's committing favoritism and I do hope this comes back to haunt him sooner rather than later. Forza England!
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 10 2009, 07:12 AM) *
So are Brazil still great, I haven't seen them play for a while, should I expect England to get beat badly?

England have looked very good in the qualifying stage but this is the first big team you're facing... I don't think there's anything to fear though. Not from Brazil or any other national team, there aren't any super powers nowadays I think.

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 10 2009, 11:13 AM) *
Have you forgotten the days where Brazil were playing like **** and he'd still refuse to play Pato?! I still think he's committing favoritism and I do hope this comes back to haunt him sooner rather than later. Forza England!

I want to believe that he's not calling Pato and Ronaldinho because he wants them to keep their good form and not feel relaxed because they've made it to the NT. I think Dunga likes Ronaldinho (he called him up for the Olympics in his worst period) and I'm sure there's not one person so blind to not rate Pato. I believe Pato will be in the WC though the less games he's featured in the more weird it's going to be for him.
Protagonist
Thiago and Pato will go to South Africa, especially considering the form they are in. It's still early, and Thiago has only got a couple of months worth of football action versus the competition for a central defensive place in Brazil's NT. And Pato, well no wrong can be said of him, but truth be told Brazil have enough players to produce 3 world class NT's. Having said that, there is a lot of competition from Brazilian strikers, who play in the Brazilian league too. But I do hope that he gets a call up to South Africa, at least for the form that he is currently in if not for anything else smile.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 10 2009, 10:41 AM) *
England have looked very good in the qualifying stage but this is the first big team you're facing...

Holland? Spain?
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 10 2009, 02:27 PM) *
Holland? Spain?

I had forgotten you played them but what I meant was that you have not faced a big side in non-friendly matches. Then again this is also a friendly so what I said does not make sense. It's not a real test for me though, a friendly match is a friendly match.

I don't think Holland is so big anymore though. And Brazil surely is not better than Spain so there's nothing to worry about there.
Tennie
According to Eurosport, Buffon is ill (unspecified fever) and isn't at the training center with the rest of the squad. There's speculation that he may be rested. Thankfully these are friendlies, the Azzurri regulars are dropping like flies. If Buffon doesn't play, speculation is that Cagliari's Marchetti will start.
dst
I don't see a reason in playing the regulars in these matches anyway... they obviously are not going to give their all while the reserves are in order to win a place in the squad...
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 10 2009, 01:02 PM) *
I had forgotten you played them but what I meant was that you have not faced a big side in non-friendly matches. Then again this is also a friendly so what I said does not make sense.

You are absoloutely priceless at times.
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 10 2009, 04:08 PM) *
You are absoloutely priceless at times.

wub.gif I'm always priceless, you just fail to see it! tongue.gif
Jack Sparrow
No...most of the time Mastercard is good enough for the likes of you.
MizNelson
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 10 2009, 12:35 AM) *
Dida retired around the same time he was starting to get roundly crucified as the worst GK playing for a top club.

That and the sheer disappointment of FINALLY getting to play in a World Cup after spending an eternity on the bench, only to watch Brazil go bust faster than the Edsel despite his keeping three clean sheets and conceding only two goals in five games. The new coach (Dunga) wasn't going to give him any post-WC playing time, either, due to his new youth movement.

Therefore, it only made sense to pull the plug.
LaPalma
Germany vs Chile is cancelled. Lot's of respect for the DFB, It was the right decision.
Tennie
Credit to the DFB for doing the right thing. What a horrible, horrible tragedy.sad.gif
Tennie
(crossposting in Silva and WC qualifier threds)

(from acmilan.com)

QUOTE
A.C. MILAN: COMUNICATO UFFICIALE
11/11/2009
Oggi pomeriggio Thiago Silva è stato convocato dalla Nazionale Brasiliana per due partite amichevoli contro Inghilterra (14 novembre a Doha, Qatar) e Oman (17 novembre a Muscat, Oman). Il Milan ha deciso di rilasciare il giocatore, aderendo così alla richiesta dei verdeoro, nonostante questa fosse arrivata fuori tempo massimo secondo i Regolamenti della FIFA, alla luce dei buoni rapporti esistenti con la CBF stessa.


[This afternoon Thiago Silva was called up by the Brazilian NT for 2 friendlies against England (Nov 14 in Doha) and Oman (Nov 17 in Muscat). Milan has decided to release the player, agreeing to the Brazilian NT request, even though it arrived outside the time limits set forth in FIFA regulations, because of its good relations with the CBF (brazilian fa).]

FYI.

Also fyi, saw on eurosport/tuttomercatoweb/etc that Luisao had an emergency appendectomy this morning. Looks like Silva is his replacement.

He better not get hurt.
MizNelson
QUOTE (ESPN)
Germany goalkeeper Robert Enke, who committed suicide on Tuesday evening, had been battling depression and was first treated for the illness in 2003, his widow has revealed.

The 32-year-old Hannover stopper was struck by a regional train travelling between Norddeich and Hanover at a railway crossing in Neustadt am Rubenberge and died at the scene and tributes have poured in for him. Germany have also called off their friendly with Chile in Cologne on Saturday as a mark of respect.

Enke's widow Teresa and his psychologist Dr Valentin Markser appeared at a press conference at Hannover's AWD-Arena to explain the background to his death.

Enke was first treated for depression during his time at Barcelona, for whom he made only one Primera Division appearance. His widow revealed he feared that their adopted daughter Leila would be taken away if the illness became public knowledge.

The couple adopted the eight-month-old in May. They lost their biological daughter Lara in 2006 when she died of a rare heart condition at the age of just two.

''When he was acutely depressive it was a very difficult time because he lacked motivation and any hope of improvement," Teresa Enke said. ''I tried to be there for him, said that football is not everything. There are many beautiful things in life. It is not hopeless. We had Lara, we have Leila. I always wanted to help him to get through it. He didn't want it to come out because of fear. He was scared of losing Leila.

"It is crazy because now it is coming out anyway. We thought we could do everything and we could do it with love but you can't always do it.

''Football was everything. It was his life. The team gave him security. When he started to get better again he said it's so nice to be part of the team again. Training was his security. That he could drive to training every time was the most important thing for him.''

Dr Markser said he had been treating Enke since 2003, during a turbulent time when the goalkeeper had several unsuccessful transfers to clubs in Spain and Turkey.

"I had been treating him since 2003. He suffered from depression and fear of failure," he told reporters. Markser also said the player refused to be treated on the day of his suicide, saying he was feeling well.
kurtsimonw
According to SSN Luke Young rejected a call up from England for the game against Brazil.

I'm assuming he rejected it because it's a late call up and he would probably be travelling to the Middle East to just sit on the bench, after the recent death of his brother I don't suspect he wants to be travelling away for that kind of time for no reason either.

Actually quite disappointed in Capello on this one, Luke has played about 100 minutes of competitive football this season and was clearly not 100% fit during the Bolton game. I thought Fabio wasn't in the "Let big 4 players rest" camp. Disappointing.
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 12 2009, 06:09 PM) *
I thought Fabio wasn't in the "Let big 4 players rest" camp. Disappointing.

Everyone is. Everyone who had/has/will have the job that is, not us.
Tennie
(from mediaset)

Probable lineups for the ITA-NED friendly tomorrow:

QUOTE
ITALIA (4-2-3-1): De Sanctis, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Chiellini, Grosso, Palombo, Pirlo, Camoranesi, Di Natale, Palladino, Gilardino. (A disp.: Marchetti, Bocchetti, Cassani, Criscito, Legrottaglie, Maggio, Biondini, Candreva, Montolivo, Marchionni, Pazzini, Rossi). All: Marcello Lippi

OLANDA (4-2-3-1): Stekelenburg, Heitinga, Boulahrouz, de Jong, van Bronckhorst, Van Bommel, Van der Vaart, Kuyt, Snejider, Robben, Van Persie. (A disp.: Michel Vorm, Piet Velthuizen, Joris Mathijsen, Braafheid, van der Wiel, Giovanni, Khalid, de Zeeuw, Schaars, Afellay, Engelaar, Huntelaar, Elia, Babel). All: Bert van Marwijk
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 13 2009, 03:02 PM) *
(from mediaset)

Probable lineups for the ITA-NED friendly tomorrow:

Clearly offtopic. This is World Cup Qualifications thread.



Anyway, we'll down Bosnia (even without Ronaldo) and be in South Africa next Summer.
Good luck to Ireland too.

PS: Oh hai! cool.gif
Tennie
And if you'd bother to read before insulting, you'd notice that this thread is also being used to track international friendlies for teams not currently involved in qualification. smile.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 13 2009, 03:41 PM) *
And if you'd bother to read before insulting, you'd notice that this thread is also being used to track international friendlies for teams not currently involved in qualification. smile.gif

Where did I insult you?

I want quotes.
Tennie
Sadly, and to quote the Rolling Stones, we can't always get what we want. Look above and think a bit. I'm sure it'll come to you. smile.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Tennie @ Nov 13 2009, 04:06 PM) *
Sadly, and to quote the Rolling Stones, we can't always get what we want. Look above and think a bit. I'm sure it'll come to you. smile.gif

Is it the pic?

'cause saying "Clearly offtopic. This is World Cup Qualifications thread." is not an insult.

Anyway, if you consider that an insult, just ban me. End of.

#/care/
Bluesummers
hey porty, welcome back biggrin.gif

Bluesummers
QUOTE
Sergio Zarate (the brother and agent of Lazio's Argentine forward Mauro Zarate) has revealed to Argentine newspaper Ole' today : "Mauro is interested in joining the Italian national team and wants to participate in the 2010 World Cup. He could become an Italian citizen and I have spoken about this matter with an Italian football federation (FIGC) official. We waited for Argentina head coach Diego Maradona to pick Mauro, but time is running out and we might have a chance with the Italian NT".

In the meantime, FIGC chief Giancarlo Abete has told Italian media sources he is stunned by the news and does not know who Sergio Zarate spoke to in the FIGC, while Italy head coach Marcello Lippi has not commented on the subject (although it is highly probable that he is not planning to pick Mauro Zarate for the 2010 World Cup).

tmw


Please god let this happen. We all know Italy could use a good player or two.
dst
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 14 2009, 12:01 AM) *
Please god let this happen. We all know Italy could use a good player or two.

Italians, not Argentinians or Brazilians.

Camoranesi is enough, it's the Italian NT, not the Italian citizenship NT.
Jack Sparrow
kurt is gonna so love you! biggrin.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 13 2009, 05:32 PM) *
Italians, not Argentinians or Brazilians.

Camoranesi is enough, it's the Italian NT, not the Italian citizenship NT.

yeah but the majority italian players of this generation are terrible. If we could get Zarate, he would easily be the best player on the team.

Also isn't what your saying a little bit faccist? I mean no offence or anything but in Canada or the USA you would be looked at as a Nazi or something for those remarks.

But staying on thopic...Who cares...he's a good player he likes the country and wants to play for it. Isn't that enough??
Jack Sparrow
Don't really think he 'likes' the country. Camo doesn't like the country. He's said it himself, that it's a pure footballing decision.

I'm not much in favour. I don't mind people who've spent the majority of their life in a country representing them. Coz then you have some stake in that country other than just your monthly paycheck. It's another thing when you've just spent the majority of your career there.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 13 2009, 11:36 PM) *
Don't really think he 'likes' the country. Camo doesn't like the country. He's said it himself, that it's a pure footballing decision.

I'm not much in favour. I don't mind people who've spent the majority of their life in a country representing them. Coz then you have some stake in that country other than just your monthly paycheck. It's another thing when you've just spent the majority of your career there.

Yes but is it fair to say that he should wait until 30 to be eligible to play? I mean if he already has interest in the national team that means he must like the country somehow. I also recall zarate saying he is in love with Lazio and Italy and he never wants to leave.
Jack Sparrow
Kaka said the same thing...doesn't mean he can play for Italy. And Kaka spent a longer time in Italy than Zarate.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 13 2009, 10:01 PM) *
Please god let this happen. We all know Italy could use a good player or two.

A player doesn't get become good over night. There's a reason he was playing his football in the Middle East and there's a reason he wasn't even good enough for Birmingham. A fluke season, nothing more.

QUOTE (dst @ Nov 13 2009, 11:32 PM) *
Italians, not Argentinians or Brazilians.

Camoranesi is enough, it's the Italian NT, not the Italian citizenship NT.

Exactly.
dst
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 14 2009, 07:32 AM) *
yeah but the majority italian players of this generation are terrible. If we could get Zarate, he would easily be the best player on the team.

Then so be it man! I don't get your logic... if they're terrible they're terrible. I could not disagree more about this but even if it was true you still don't recruit players of different nationalities to have a better team, don't you get it? It's the Italian NT. Italian meaning it consists of Italian players not just that they have an Italian passport.

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 14 2009, 07:32 AM) *
Also isn't what your saying a little bit faccist? I mean no offence or anything but in Canada or the USA you would be looked at as a Nazi or something for those remarks.

No it's not at all fascist! Maybe at that side of the Atlantic it's normal what you're saying but at this side, with a few exceptions that only prove the rule, people represent their country not just any country.

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 14 2009, 07:32 AM) *
But staying on thopic...Who cares...he's a good player he likes the country and wants to play for it. Isn't that enough??

Of course that's not enough.

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 14 2009, 07:38 AM) *
Yes but is it fair to say that he should wait until 30 to be eligible to play? I mean if he already has interest in the national team that means he must like the country somehow. I also recall zarate saying he is in love with Lazio and Italy and he never wants to leave.

You can't have interest in a national team, it's not a club... liking the country has nothing to do with it even if it's true. And you know footballers say that all the time anyway, they even say that to girls they only meet once, just for practice: "hey girl this was always going to be just a one-night stand but you should know I'm in love with you and I never want to leave here. Bye!". Does Zarate mean it? There's a slight chance he does. That does not mean he can play for the Italian NT.

Even if you take the nationality issues out of the picture, there's still a matter of pride. No NT is a rebound team... "HEY your NT does not want you? COME TO US!"... come on...
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ Nov 14 2009, 03:02 AM) *
Italians, not Argentinians or Brazilians.

Camoranesi is enough, it's the Italian NT, not the Italian citizenship NT.

Problem is that Amauri is trying to make his way to the Azzurri. as an Italy fan I'd much rather Zarate. at least he is of Italian descent/much younger/better. it's not a question of "oriundo, yes or no?"! it's a case of "this oriundo or that one".

So, I wouldn't mind at all if neither played for Italy. unlike Blue, I'm not that worried about Italy's lack of promising players (I think the coaches are the real problem). but if it came to choosing between these two particular candidates, I would undoubtedly go for Zarate. I hope Lippi is sane enough to do the same.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 14 2009, 12:12 PM) *
A player doesn't get become good over night. There's a reason he was playing his football in the Middle East and there's a reason he wasn't even good enough for Birmingham. A fluke season, nothing more.

What's your point, man?! Argentinian league's joint top scorer. an important player for Argentina's U20 World Cup glory (scorer of their winning goal in final). and now he's more than good enough for Lazio and Serie A. helped them win the Coppa/Supercoppa and he's continuing to dazzle as he did against us.

No disrespect, but just because someone flops in England doesn't mean they're bad.

As for his middle east experience, he was obviously snatched by the Arabian club. I'd blame his agent.
Maestro10
At some point in the late 70's early 80's Italy's NT was made up of Argentinians. And as far as inter-cultural issues, I find a lot of Italians and Swiss (the Italian side of Switzerland) have intermarried with Argentinians. So I do not see any wrong in it, based on the above.

But over and above, I would appreciate, but I wuld appreciate if they kept their NT intact and select from their domestic pool of players.
kurtsimonw
I may send a letter to Dunga asking to be including in the Brazil squad. I know I was born and raised in England, but I have a friend and she is friends with a guy who is going out with a Brazillian girl. So I'm practically Brazilian myself, I think I have a shot.
Zed.D
Disappointing.
kurtsimonw
Brazil 1-0 England.

A very poor game overall. Though I can't say I'm disappointed, I'm sure Qatar paid an absoloute tonne to have this game over there and neither team bothered to show up. I think they got their referee from a local ametuer league or something, I'm sure Dunga and Fabio will be having words, he was terrible. How was Foster not sent off? laugh.gif

Fabio doesn't seem to get the point of friendlies. 4 subs is fine. 3 subs in the last 10 minutes is not, what's the point? A few players didn't even get to come on which is beyond ridiculous. Wes Brown should never, ever, be near an England shirt again, awful player.

Injuries or not, sort it out Fabio, that wasn't good enough. Too one dimensional, no Plan B.
MizNelson
I guess I'd expect more from Brazil-England than a 1-0 dud.

Plus, seriously, Qatar? When was the last time Brazil actually played a friendly on its own turf?
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Nov 14 2009, 07:05 PM) *
I guess I'd expect more from Brazil-England than a 1-0 dud.

Plus, seriously, Qatar? When was the last time Brazil actually played a friendly on its own turf?

I know, it's stupid. We seem to play alot of neutral game friendlies as well which is stupid. I think Brazil and England 2 of the most marketable names in International football so countries want them over. Damn glory hunting fans, go support your own teams!
CrazyMilanFan
anelka scores for france 1-0 to france it is 73 mins
MizNelson
QUOTE (Football Italia)
Pro-Cassano pitch invasion
Sunday 15 November, 2009
A pitch invader wearing a shirt calling for Antonio Cassano to earn an Azzurri recall has been arrested.

Just five minutes into last night’s 0-0 draw between Italy and Holland, play was interrupted by a man running on to the field.

He was wearing a shirt that on the front and back read ‘Cassano in the Nazionale’ and quickly gave himself up peacefully to the authorities after he had displayed his message.

Many wondered how he was able to get on to the pitch undisturbed, but it has now emerged the 22-year-old – named only as F.R – was accompanying disabled fans in the Stadio Adriatico.

This meant he had clear access to simply run over the athletics track and reach the field of play.

F.R was arrested and charged with pitch invasion.

His message was shared by others, as throughout the match banners were held aloft in the stadium calling for Sampdoria hero Cassano to take part in the World Cup.

Even better, FI posted a picture of the guy in the article. Way to give this clown the free publicity, guys.
Zed.D
Glad that both France and Portugal won. it will be one hell of a world cup should all the big names qualify. (including Uruguay).
Zed.D
Did anyone notice that last night both Buffon and Casillas made their 100th appearance for their national teams?
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 15 2009, 08:46 AM) *
Did anyone notice that last night both Buffon and Casillas made their 100th appearance for their national teams?

I did not, congrats to them both.

I believe as things stand, England are a 1st seed, USA 2nd, Australia 3rd and New Zealand 4th. This group please, it would be awesome.
Protagonist
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 15 2009, 01:27 PM) *
I did not, congrats to them both.

I believe as things stand, England are a 1st seed, USA 2nd, Australia 3rd and New Zealand 4th. This group please, it would be awesome.


Is France seeded 2nd? If so I want it in the same group *grins*
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Protagonist @ Nov 15 2009, 01:10 PM) *
Is France seeded 2nd? If so I want it in the same group *grins*

I think France are a 2nd seed but I'm not sure. Are they below England in the World rankings? If os, then they are a 2nd seed as I believe we hold the last #1 spot.
MizNelson
Football Italia's coda seems to be: When it's a slow news day, go to Buffon.

QUOTE (Football Italia)
Buffon 'amused' by Cassano shirt
Sunday 15 November, 2009
Gianluigi Buffon as “amused” by the pro-Antonio Cassano pitch invasion, but Marcello Lippi took the Arsene Wenger route. “I didn’t see it.”

Just a few minutes into last night’s 0-0 draw with Holland, a spectator ran on to the pitch wearing a Superman shirt that read ‘Cassano in the Nazionale.’

“People should not run on to the field during a game, but it was an amusing gesture and did not cause problems for us,” said the Italy goalkeeper.

“After all, I used to wear the Superman shirt too! The Cassano controversy does not disturb us, but I hope it doesn’t affect you journalists…”

It was the latest excuse for the media to question why the Sampdoria star was not taking part in an Azzurri match.

Coach Lippi has repeatedly refused to even discuss the reasons behind the snub and was not swayed by the pitch invasion.

“At that moment I had taken my glasses off and without them I can’t see anything,” smiled the tactician.

“The crowd were exemplary. I did not hear any jeers or chants against us. You know I never play the role of the monkey who covers his eyes or ears, as when I see or hear something, I do not hesitate to respond.”

Lippi was furious after Italy’s last game, a 3-2 victory over Cyprus, when he slammed the Stadio Tardini crowd for being “ungrateful.”

The match with Holland was not a scintillating performance either, but Buffon isn’t worried.

“The Nazionale did alright, although I don’t think the fans were too entertained. We were facing a very strong Dutch side and I am not worried, as there are another six months until the World Cup. Clearly in South Africa we’ll have to do better.”
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