samira
Jun 14 2010, 10:05 PM
Yes, but didn't Cassano let the team down, I heard that when I was in Genoa last week
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:05 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 09:59 PM)

or antonini. Drop canna from the centre put criscito there and put antonini out wide.
Do you know how to spell suicide?
And Canna really wasn't bad at all, he really stamped his authority in defence and was winning balls back like a mad man, challenging players in his central area and out wide. He really over shadowed Chiellini. Like I said, his only error was on the goal, but De Rossi was also supposed to be marking him and that didn't work very well either
kurtsimonw
Jun 14 2010, 10:05 PM
Another reason why this World Cup is a joke: Security is terrible, why are they letting people in with sniper rifles?
Fishdoll
Jun 14 2010, 10:07 PM
They're just warming up for when Stevie Me plays next, Kurt.
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:07 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2010, 10:01 PM)

How many teams are you supporting!?
I must say though, it's interesting reading the aftermath of this. 8th ranked England dominated 14th ranked USA who got a draw through a fluke incident. 5th ranked Italy couldn't dominate a 31st ranked Paraguay and it's a well earned point? Very interesting.

Come on Slovakia!
Fifa rankings are total BS, and England dominated?

Only when the Americans got tired and England got desperate
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:09 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2010, 10:05 PM)

Another reason why this World Cup is a joke: Security is terrible, why are they letting people in with sniper rifles?

He actually got the back of De Rossi's leg, Italy were going on a decent attacking move, why would he dive in that situation?
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:09 PM
@han:
Criscito can play centre back. He's quite good at it too. Its in no way suicide if its put out right.
Antonini- De rossi- Pepe. De rossi provides cover while those two attack, it would work out quite nicely.
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:10 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:02 PM)

I can't wait until tomorrow. Kaka time

Hopefully Barsil fall flat on their faces
samira
Jun 14 2010, 10:11 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2010, 10:05 PM)

Another reason why this World Cup is a joke: Security is terrible, why are they letting people in with sniper rifles?

wtf, I missed that

I thought he was faking when I saw the picture
kurtsimonw
Jun 14 2010, 10:13 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 14 2010, 10:07 PM)

Fifa rankings are total BS, and England dominated?

Only when the Americans got tired and England got desperate
England had 18 shots and 62% posession. We had 60% posession in the first half and 8 shots in the first half. So both halves were pretty much the same in terms of domination. FAIL.
An opinion from an American forum I use. Well, it's actually a New York based forum, where you'd probably expect to see a bias
towards Italy, if anything.
QUOTE
Feel the same way. Main reason I hate teams like Italy, Portugal and Argentina. And all that fucking complaining and whining the Italians do with those hand gestures and ****. Let's go Paraguay!
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:14 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:09 PM)

@han:
Criscito can play centre back. He's quite good at it too. Its in no way suicide if its put out right.
Antonini- De rossi- Pepe. De rossi provides cover while those two attack, it would work out quite nicely.
Not a good idea imo, Crisito was good today but still not all that convincing at times, I'd rather no have him playing in the centre with all that pressure on him, and why would you want Criscito in the middle when there are Bocchetti and Bonucci as options for the center.
Just doesn't make any sense
samira
Jun 14 2010, 10:14 PM
Holland or Germany

but little Urugauy
Italy don't have a shot this year..but Ivory Coast got the hardest group
il_diavolo_mtl
Jun 14 2010, 10:15 PM
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jun 14 2010, 04:58 PM)

Yup.
And Nesta and Cassano and Balotelli and and and.
Meh.
they would have completely changed the game, imagine
Pazzini
Cassano - Balotelli
Montolivo - De rossi - Pirlo
Criscito - nesta - Chiellini - Zambrotta
with free lancing AMs this would be lethal
Fishdoll
Jun 14 2010, 10:15 PM
Actually, no I wouldn't expect that Kurt. Because the US media is inundated with the not even close to objective generalizations about Italy courtesy of the likes of Andy Grey (who's doing a show on Fox Soccer Channel), the English media via print, and the talking heads on ESPN who all think that the EPL is the only good league ever to have existed.
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:17 PM
@han:
Trust me on this criscito is a solid CB. I'd personally have him over the latter because he is fast, strong and has good passing ability. You already have one guy who is just a destroyer in chiellini. You need another to help build the attack in some cases.
But all in all it really doesn't matter who goes in the centre for italy as its not that tough a job compared to the wingbacks, which are more important.
---
I hope Italy plays brazil in the next round so our golden boy can teach lippi a lesson
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:18 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2010, 10:13 PM)

England had 18 shots and 62% posession. We had 60% posession in the first half and 8 shots in the first half. So both halves were pretty much the same in terms of domination. FAIL.
An opinion from an American forum I use. Well, it's actually a New York based forum, where you'd probably expect to see a bias towards Italy, if anything.
At the 30th minute mark I saw possession 58% in favour of the US, to me they dominated the first half... How many of those shots you mentioned were on target? Rooney was shooting from all over the place and not one of them was hitting the target, the ones that I clearly remember that were on target were obviously the goal, Heskey's shot straight at the keeper and Lampard's shot from outside the box...
If you actually watch that on real TV not a small gif image you can tell that he nicked De Rossi's leg
Fishdoll
Jun 14 2010, 10:18 PM
You're assuming either side will make it out of the group stage, Blue. I don't think that's a given in either case.
MizNelson
Jun 14 2010, 10:19 PM
I'll be rooting for whomever Brazil plays tomorrow, as I'm still sore from them dogging it in '06. That and the media going gaga over Kaka on a regular basis even though he peaked in 2007.
amancik
Jun 14 2010, 10:21 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 15 2010, 05:15 AM)

they would have completely changed the game, imagine
Pazzini
Cassano - Balotelli
Montolivo - De rossi - Pirlo
Criscito - nesta - Chiellini - Zambrotta
with free lancing AMs this would be lethal
That team is as good as Spain or Brazil...except I wouldn't put Montolivo...maybe Marchisio
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:22 PM
I dont' know about italy, but i'm sure brazil will make it out of the group. Their squad is way too good to stay in group stages.
But i'm surprised at all the brazil hate here, nobody is cheering for kaka and thiago tomorrow???
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:22 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:17 PM)

@han:
Trust me on this criscito is a solid CB. I'd personally have him over the latter because he is fast, strong and has good passing ability. You already have one guy who is just a destroyer in chiellini. You need another to help build the attack in some cases.
But all in all it really doesn't matter who goes in the centre for italy as its not that tough a job compared to the wingbacks, which are more important.
I hope Italy plays brazil in the next round so our golden boy can teach lippi a lesson

Like I said, as good as he might be in the center, I wouldn't want to put so much pressure on him. I think he's doing more then ok at LB and he chould stay there. Not sure about either Canna or Chiellini at this point, Canna made that costly mistake and Chiellini really wasn't that convincing in his overall play imo. Nesta

I don't really see Kaka shining this time round, it seems like he's really not in the best condition, what with all the injuries, and lack of form. And I don't really see Brazil in general doing well either, Spain have a far better team then they do, Argentina as well have a lot more talent then the Brzilians do. Dunga really messed up taking guys like Baptista over Dinho, Pato, etc
Fishdoll
Jun 14 2010, 10:22 PM
Not this fish.

Not since 1994.
samira
Jun 14 2010, 10:23 PM
England underestimated USA after the first goal, I thought England was going to win
Locke Lamora
Jun 14 2010, 10:27 PM
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 14 2010, 11:19 PM)

I'll be rooting for whomever Brazil plays tomorrow, as I'm still sore from them dogging it in '06. That and the media going gaga over Kaka on a regular basis even though he peaked in 2007.
If they and Spain crashed out I'd be a very happy... whatever I am indeed.
Although Brazil going out would probably mean Portugal going out. And that would be too bad.
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:28 PM
well i guess we'll see tomorrow. Obv missing on dinho and pato really sucks; but brazil is still brazil.
Cesar-Maicon-lucio-silva-bastos-elano-g.silva-melo-kaka-fabiano-robinho is still a strong squad.
il_diavolo_mtl
Jun 14 2010, 10:30 PM
QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 14 2010, 05:21 PM)

That team is as good as Spain or Brazil...except I wouldn't put Montolivo...maybe Marchisio
montolivo is at his best when not being fully rellied on, he is pirlo-lite with better shooting. with this squad we'd be Bombarding the box with chances all game long for Pazzo/cassano/balotelli to put in the net
MizNelson
Jun 14 2010, 10:31 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 02:22 PM)

But i'm surprised at all the brazil hate here, nobody is cheering for kaka and thiago tomorrow???

No.
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:31 PM
lol...
samira
Jun 14 2010, 10:33 PM
Im but they are not one of my favorites
but Brazil is worth watching even i Dinho aren't playing
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:34 PM
thank you samira! Its nice to know some milan fans are gonna watch our boy play.
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:36 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:34 PM)

thank you samira! Its nice to know some milan fans are gonna watch our boy play.
Well I do hope that Thiago does well even though Dunga will probably go for the Lucio-Juan pairing
samira
Jun 14 2010, 10:37 PM
I think that more milan fans are going to watch Brazil play

, Portgual is playing agianst Ivory Coast then who are Brazil playing agianst?
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:39 PM
No I don't think juan will start; he's been playing thiago recently in friendlies so that could mean somethign. But who knows with dunga, he is retarted.
@samira:
Brazil plays north korea. My prediction
Kaka 4-1 north korea.
samira
Jun 14 2010, 10:41 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 14 2010, 09:36 PM)

Well I do hope that Thiago does well even though Dunga will probably go for the Lucio-Juan pairing
I hope Maicon will play bad tomarrow
samira
Jun 14 2010, 10:43 PM
North Korea is pretty good but Brazil is better
CHU-LIP
Jun 14 2010, 10:44 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:22 PM)

But i'm surprised at all the brazil hate here, nobody is cheering for kaka and thiago tomorrow???

I never ever liked the Brazil NT, though I like Kaká and Thiago Silva a lot. So I guess I will see during the match how I think about the team.
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:47 PM
don't worry chu; after kaka scores 4 goals tomo you'll realy like them
han2503
Jun 14 2010, 10:51 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 09:47 PM)

don't worry chu; after kaka scores 4 goals tomo you'll realy like them

Lol, I bet you that Kaka won't score any let alone 4!!
I'll predict a bore 1-0 win for Brazil, just like the rest of the results in this so far boring WC.
Bluesummers
Jun 14 2010, 10:55 PM
allright whats the wager:
i'll take you sarcastic yet logical discussion ability if i win; if you win you can have my awesome transfer forum powers where you can post news faster all others.
Dracoris
Jun 14 2010, 11:00 PM
Domination? Hardly. Possesion was only 54-46 according to
FIFA.
Domination is what Germany did to Australia
samira
Jun 14 2010, 11:01 PM
the only team that scored 4 goals are Germany, this WC is pretty tight
samira
Jun 14 2010, 11:02 PM
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jun 14 2010, 10:00 PM)

Domination? Hardly. Possesion was only 54-46 according to
FIFA.
Domination is what Germany did to Australia
Chellini said that right?
mishie
Jun 14 2010, 11:07 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:55 PM)

allright whats the wager:
i'll take you sarcastic yet logical discussion ability if i win; if you win you can have my awesome transfer forum powers where you can post news faster all others.
commonly know as spam!
servbot
Jun 14 2010, 11:16 PM
Pretty sure Brazil is going to wipe the floor with NK, and then the media will go crazy over how Brazil is now the team to beat for sure.
Which wouldn't be a bad result, I'd like to see some scoring at some point here.
Fishdoll
Jun 14 2010, 11:26 PM
According to mediaset, Buffon had a back problem in warmup and played the first half anyway. He asked for the substitution during the interval. Lippi's not sure if he'll be available for the next game (his answer was 'it's up to the doctors to say').
link
X-Offender
Jun 15 2010, 01:54 AM
I didn't see the game, but I'm not surprised of the result. Italy have by far the weakest attacking line from the big names, they ain't going anywhere by playing Pepe, Gilardino and Iaquinta. Oh Lippi, you'll start soon regretting the choice of leaving Cassano, Balotelli, Borriello and Giuseppe Rossi at home. You prick!
kurtsimonw
Jun 15 2010, 02:55 AM
Some very odd squads at this World Cup. Maybe FIFA have told them they have to be drunk when they select it? It's the only reason I can think of.
Warchant
Jun 15 2010, 04:49 AM
looking forward to seeing Portugal/Ivory Coast tomorrow. Hopefully Drogba will be in the squad. haven't heard if he's been allowed to play with a cast or not.
i also hope NK gets completely blasted by Brazil. I'm hoping 10-0.
han2503
Jun 15 2010, 06:49 AM
You're on Jack
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jun 14 2010, 11:00 PM)

Domination? Hardly. Possesion was only 54-46 according to
FIFA.
Domination is what Germany did to Australia
No one said Italy dominated the game, although in the second half Paraguay were barely getting a look in.
Statistics prove that overall Italy were the better team
Italy - Parguay
10 Shots 8
5 Shots on goal 1
15 Fouls Committed 15
8 Corner kicks 4
1 Yellow cards 1
0 Red Cards 0
52% Possession (%) 48%
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 15 2010, 02:55 AM)

Some very odd squads at this World Cup. Maybe FIFA have told them they have to be drunk when they select it? It's the only reason I can think of.
Well I wouldn't put that past Maradona... But the others are mostly just stubborn and pig headed. This WC would have been so much better had there actually been the best players playing for every nation.
Seeing Pepe, Iaquinta and Gila dog it out in attack was ridiculous when there is so much talent back home for Italy. Seeing Veron misplace 50% of his passes for Argentina when Cambiasso is left out...
Linkman
Jun 15 2010, 06:50 AM
See guys, I told you Paraguay was solid.
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