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samira
Yes, but didn't Cassano let the team down, I heard that when I was in Genoa last week
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 09:59 PM) *
or antonini. Drop canna from the centre put criscito there and put antonini out wide.

Do you know how to spell suicide?

And Canna really wasn't bad at all, he really stamped his authority in defence and was winning balls back like a mad man, challenging players in his central area and out wide. He really over shadowed Chiellini. Like I said, his only error was on the goal, but De Rossi was also supposed to be marking him and that didn't work very well either
kurtsimonw
Another reason why this World Cup is a joke: Security is terrible, why are they letting people in with sniper rifles?

Fishdoll
They're just warming up for when Stevie Me plays next, Kurt. smile.gif
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2010, 10:01 PM) *
How many teams are you supporting!?

I must say though, it's interesting reading the aftermath of this. 8th ranked England dominated 14th ranked USA who got a draw through a fluke incident. 5th ranked Italy couldn't dominate a 31st ranked Paraguay and it's a well earned point? Very interesting. biggrin.gif

Come on Slovakia!

Fifa rankings are total BS, and England dominated? laugh.gif Only when the Americans got tired and England got desperate
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2010, 10:05 PM) *
Another reason why this World Cup is a joke: Security is terrible, why are they letting people in with sniper rifles?


He actually got the back of De Rossi's leg, Italy were going on a decent attacking move, why would he dive in that situation? rolleyes.gif
Bluesummers
@han:

Criscito can play centre back. He's quite good at it too. Its in no way suicide if its put out right.



Antonini- De rossi- Pepe. De rossi provides cover while those two attack, it would work out quite nicely.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:02 PM) *
I can't wait until tomorrow. Kaka time cool.gif

Hopefully Barsil fall flat on their faces
samira
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2010, 10:05 PM) *
Another reason why this World Cup is a joke: Security is terrible, why are they letting people in with sniper rifles?



wtf, I missed that ohmy.gif I thought he was faking when I saw the picture tongue.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 14 2010, 10:07 PM) *
Fifa rankings are total BS, and England dominated? laugh.gif Only when the Americans got tired and England got desperate

England had 18 shots and 62% posession. We had 60% posession in the first half and 8 shots in the first half. So both halves were pretty much the same in terms of domination. FAIL.

An opinion from an American forum I use. Well, it's actually a New York based forum, where you'd probably expect to see a bias towards Italy, if anything.

QUOTE
Feel the same way. Main reason I hate teams like Italy, Portugal and Argentina. And all that fucking complaining and whining the Italians do with those hand gestures and ****. Let's go Paraguay!

han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:09 PM) *
@han:

Criscito can play centre back. He's quite good at it too. Its in no way suicide if its put out right.



Antonini- De rossi- Pepe. De rossi provides cover while those two attack, it would work out quite nicely.

Not a good idea imo, Crisito was good today but still not all that convincing at times, I'd rather no have him playing in the centre with all that pressure on him, and why would you want Criscito in the middle when there are Bocchetti and Bonucci as options for the center.

Just doesn't make any sense
samira
Holland or Germany biggrin.gif but little Urugauy tongue.gif
Italy don't have a shot this year..but Ivory Coast got the hardest group
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jun 14 2010, 04:58 PM) *
Yup.

And Nesta and Cassano and Balotelli and and and.

Meh.

they would have completely changed the game, imagine

Pazzini

Cassano - Balotelli

Montolivo - De rossi - Pirlo

Criscito - nesta - Chiellini - Zambrotta


with free lancing AMs this would be lethal

Fishdoll
Actually, no I wouldn't expect that Kurt. Because the US media is inundated with the not even close to objective generalizations about Italy courtesy of the likes of Andy Grey (who's doing a show on Fox Soccer Channel), the English media via print, and the talking heads on ESPN who all think that the EPL is the only good league ever to have existed.
Bluesummers
@han:

Trust me on this criscito is a solid CB. I'd personally have him over the latter because he is fast, strong and has good passing ability. You already have one guy who is just a destroyer in chiellini. You need another to help build the attack in some cases.

But all in all it really doesn't matter who goes in the centre for italy as its not that tough a job compared to the wingbacks, which are more important.




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I hope Italy plays brazil in the next round so our golden boy can teach lippi a lesson cool.gif
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 14 2010, 10:13 PM) *
England had 18 shots and 62% posession. We had 60% posession in the first half and 8 shots in the first half. So both halves were pretty much the same in terms of domination. FAIL.

An opinion from an American forum I use. Well, it's actually a New York based forum, where you'd probably expect to see a bias towards Italy, if anything.

At the 30th minute mark I saw possession 58% in favour of the US, to me they dominated the first half... How many of those shots you mentioned were on target? Rooney was shooting from all over the place and not one of them was hitting the target, the ones that I clearly remember that were on target were obviously the goal, Heskey's shot straight at the keeper and Lampard's shot from outside the box...

If you actually watch that on real TV not a small gif image you can tell that he nicked De Rossi's leg rolleyes.gif
Fishdoll
You're assuming either side will make it out of the group stage, Blue. I don't think that's a given in either case.
MizNelson
I'll be rooting for whomever Brazil plays tomorrow, as I'm still sore from them dogging it in '06. That and the media going gaga over Kaka on a regular basis even though he peaked in 2007.
amancik
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Jun 15 2010, 05:15 AM) *
they would have completely changed the game, imagine

Pazzini

Cassano - Balotelli

Montolivo - De rossi - Pirlo

Criscito - nesta - Chiellini - Zambrotta


with free lancing AMs this would be lethal


That team is as good as Spain or Brazil...except I wouldn't put Montolivo...maybe Marchisio
Bluesummers
I dont' know about italy, but i'm sure brazil will make it out of the group. Their squad is way too good to stay in group stages.


But i'm surprised at all the brazil hate here, nobody is cheering for kaka and thiago tomorrow??? ohmy.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:17 PM) *
@han:

Trust me on this criscito is a solid CB. I'd personally have him over the latter because he is fast, strong and has good passing ability. You already have one guy who is just a destroyer in chiellini. You need another to help build the attack in some cases.

But all in all it really doesn't matter who goes in the centre for italy as its not that tough a job compared to the wingbacks, which are more important.

I hope Italy plays brazil in the next round so our golden boy can teach lippi a lesson cool.gif

Like I said, as good as he might be in the center, I wouldn't want to put so much pressure on him. I think he's doing more then ok at LB and he chould stay there. Not sure about either Canna or Chiellini at this point, Canna made that costly mistake and Chiellini really wasn't that convincing in his overall play imo. Nesta cry.gif

I don't really see Kaka shining this time round, it seems like he's really not in the best condition, what with all the injuries, and lack of form. And I don't really see Brazil in general doing well either, Spain have a far better team then they do, Argentina as well have a lot more talent then the Brzilians do. Dunga really messed up taking guys like Baptista over Dinho, Pato, etc
Fishdoll
Not this fish. smile.gif

Not since 1994.
samira
England underestimated USA after the first goal, I thought England was going to win
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Jun 14 2010, 11:19 PM) *
I'll be rooting for whomever Brazil plays tomorrow, as I'm still sore from them dogging it in '06. That and the media going gaga over Kaka on a regular basis even though he peaked in 2007.


If they and Spain crashed out I'd be a very happy... whatever I am indeed.
Although Brazil going out would probably mean Portugal going out. And that would be too bad.
Bluesummers
well i guess we'll see tomorrow. Obv missing on dinho and pato really sucks; but brazil is still brazil.



Cesar-Maicon-lucio-silva-bastos-elano-g.silva-melo-kaka-fabiano-robinho is still a strong squad.
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (amancik @ Jun 14 2010, 05:21 PM) *
That team is as good as Spain or Brazil...except I wouldn't put Montolivo...maybe Marchisio

montolivo is at his best when not being fully rellied on, he is pirlo-lite with better shooting. with this squad we'd be Bombarding the box with chances all game long for Pazzo/cassano/balotelli to put in the net
MizNelson
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 02:22 PM) *
But i'm surprised at all the brazil hate here, nobody is cheering for kaka and thiago tomorrow??? ohmy.gif

No.
Bluesummers
lol...
samira
Im but they are not one of my favorites
but Brazil is worth watching even i Dinho aren't playing
Bluesummers
thank you samira! Its nice to know some milan fans are gonna watch our boy play.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:34 PM) *
thank you samira! Its nice to know some milan fans are gonna watch our boy play.

Well I do hope that Thiago does well even though Dunga will probably go for the Lucio-Juan pairing
samira
I think that more milan fans are going to watch Brazil play smile.gif , Portgual is playing agianst Ivory Coast then who are Brazil playing agianst?
Bluesummers
No I don't think juan will start; he's been playing thiago recently in friendlies so that could mean somethign. But who knows with dunga, he is retarted.



@samira:

Brazil plays north korea. My prediction


Kaka 4-1 north korea.
samira
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 14 2010, 09:36 PM) *
Well I do hope that Thiago does well even though Dunga will probably go for the Lucio-Juan pairing

I hope Maicon will play bad tomarrow tongue.gif
samira
North Korea is pretty good but Brazil is better
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:22 PM) *
But i'm surprised at all the brazil hate here, nobody is cheering for kaka and thiago tomorrow??? ohmy.gif

I never ever liked the Brazil NT, though I like Kaká and Thiago Silva a lot. So I guess I will see during the match how I think about the team.
Bluesummers
don't worry chu; after kaka scores 4 goals tomo you'll realy like them wink.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 09:47 PM) *
don't worry chu; after kaka scores 4 goals tomo you'll realy like them wink.gif

Lol, I bet you that Kaka won't score any let alone 4!!

I'll predict a bore 1-0 win for Brazil, just like the rest of the results in this so far boring WC. dry.gif
Bluesummers
allright whats the wager:


i'll take you sarcastic yet logical discussion ability if i win; if you win you can have my awesome transfer forum powers where you can post news faster all others.



Dracoris
Domination? Hardly. Possesion was only 54-46 according to FIFA.

Domination is what Germany did to Australia
samira
the only team that scored 4 goals are Germany, this WC is pretty tight
samira
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jun 14 2010, 10:00 PM) *
Domination? Hardly. Possesion was only 54-46 according to FIFA.

Domination is what Germany did to Australia


Chellini said that right?
mishie
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Jun 14 2010, 10:55 PM) *
allright whats the wager:


i'll take you sarcastic yet logical discussion ability if i win; if you win you can have my awesome transfer forum powers where you can post news faster all others.

commonly know as spam! laugh.gif
servbot
Pretty sure Brazil is going to wipe the floor with NK, and then the media will go crazy over how Brazil is now the team to beat for sure.

Which wouldn't be a bad result, I'd like to see some scoring at some point here.
Fishdoll
According to mediaset, Buffon had a back problem in warmup and played the first half anyway. He asked for the substitution during the interval. Lippi's not sure if he'll be available for the next game (his answer was 'it's up to the doctors to say').

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X-Offender
I didn't see the game, but I'm not surprised of the result. Italy have by far the weakest attacking line from the big names, they ain't going anywhere by playing Pepe, Gilardino and Iaquinta. Oh Lippi, you'll start soon regretting the choice of leaving Cassano, Balotelli, Borriello and Giuseppe Rossi at home. You prick!
kurtsimonw
Some very odd squads at this World Cup. Maybe FIFA have told them they have to be drunk when they select it? It's the only reason I can think of.
Warchant
looking forward to seeing Portugal/Ivory Coast tomorrow. Hopefully Drogba will be in the squad. haven't heard if he's been allowed to play with a cast or not.

i also hope NK gets completely blasted by Brazil. I'm hoping 10-0.
han2503
You're on Jack

QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jun 14 2010, 11:00 PM) *
Domination? Hardly. Possesion was only 54-46 according to FIFA.

Domination is what Germany did to Australia

No one said Italy dominated the game, although in the second half Paraguay were barely getting a look in.

Statistics prove that overall Italy were the better team

Italy - Parguay
10 Shots 8
5 Shots on goal 1
15 Fouls Committed 15
8 Corner kicks 4
1 Yellow cards 1
0 Red Cards 0
52% Possession (%) 48%

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 15 2010, 02:55 AM) *
Some very odd squads at this World Cup. Maybe FIFA have told them they have to be drunk when they select it? It's the only reason I can think of.

Well I wouldn't put that past Maradona... But the others are mostly just stubborn and pig headed. This WC would have been so much better had there actually been the best players playing for every nation.

Seeing Pepe, Iaquinta and Gila dog it out in attack was ridiculous when there is so much talent back home for Italy. Seeing Veron misplace 50% of his passes for Argentina when Cambiasso is left out...
Linkman
See guys, I told you Paraguay was solid.
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