Honestly, I don't think 3rd place under any conditions in Serie A with Milan is enough to coach a team whose main goal is to win the next World Cup.
Rijkaard - sure. But all of them made some simple and sometimes comic errors. Like Rijkaard who once said he never prepared a penalty-shootout list and he selected the shooters almost random. Or like Croatia's coach Bilic, who is very popular and in many ways "different" but also made a few rookie errors which in the end costed us the semin final of Euro 08 and qualification for the WC.
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Funny fact about the Dutch. They only booked their hotel till monday and now the guys from the hotel sent them packing and they have to look for a new place. May they'll go camping 
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 7 2010, 10:47 AM) 
Honestly, I don't think 3rd place under any conditions in Serie A with Milan is enough to coach a team whose main goal is to win the next World Cup.
It is a success based on the transfer market we had last season. Leonardo lost big capitan and the star of the team. We also sold Gourcuff who proved to be very good in France last season. He only get Huntelaar, and some youngers back from loan. He did manage to do very well even sometimes he showed his weakness in tactical choices. Leonardo completed his duty we all know that.
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QUOTE (LaPalma @ Jul 7 2010, 11:30 AM)
Funny fact about the Dutch. They only booked their hotel till monday and now the guys from the hotel sent them packing and they have to look for a new place. May they'll go camping
Haha, they didn't expect to go in final I guess
Also got humilliated against Inter twice and against Man U. Transfer excuses are not valid IMO, same can be told for Ancelotti. And why did he quit then if he did achiev our goals?
Anyway - you say one season of professional coaching at the highest level and a finished 3rd spot is enough to become a national coach of Brazil? Okay, we disagree then.
Anyway - you say one season of professional coaching at the highest level and a finished 3rd spot is enough to become a national coach of Brazil? Okay, we disagree then.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 7 2010, 11:38 AM)
Also got humilliated against Inter twice and against Man U. Transfer excuses are not valid IMO, same can be told for Ancelotti. And why did he quit then if he did achiev our goals?
Anyway - you say one season of professional coaching at the highest level and a finished 3rd spot is enough to become a national coach of Brazil? Okay, we disagree then.
Anyway - you say one season of professional coaching at the highest level and a finished 3rd spot is enough to become a national coach of Brazil? Okay, we disagree then.
Inter won against top teams in Europe, it's not a wonder that we lost against them too. The same for Man U. First game in San Siro was very good but after injuries we saw what happened in Old Trafort.
I say that he proved to be a very good manager especially when comes to motivation. He's also very good in attack and I do accept that he's not very when it comes to create defansive tactics. I know that experience is important but nowdays you can learn a lot for one season. So I say YES , Leonardo is ready for Brazil and will be even more prepared for 2014.
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Loew : Villa is better than Klose - link
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 7 2010, 10:13 AM)
Why are you guys so sure Leonardo is the right man? I never fully understood the modus operandi of national FA's that pick their coaches without any pedigree or experience. In the end, half-amateur coaches ended up like Maradona or van Basten, while Tabarez, Lippi, Del Bosque or Aragones still manage to bring their teams to the final or win the cup.
Well, Leonardo is smarter than Maradona I think and Maradona plays only for money, just like Pele said.
who aint going to play tonight in Germany and Spain?
QUOTE (samira @ Jul 7 2010, 01:29 PM)
who aint going to play tonight in Germany and Spain?
Muller will not play for Germany becouse he is suspented. I think Alonso will not play for Spain but I'm not sure .
Yep, Müller and Alonso out.
I think the only german problem is depth. They have a great starting XI but lack of subs like Fabregas.
I think the only german problem is depth. They have a great starting XI but lack of subs like Fabregas.
I guess Cacau or Kroos will play instead of Muller.
I think it might be Trochowski instead of Muller -- he's fast and could cause Capdevilla problems.
Whoever plays, I hope it's a good game. Should be.
Whoever plays, I hope it's a good game. Should be.
yes, lets hope Spain steps up. But Im with Germany even if it choose the clame in the spain box.
Yeah, Trochowski should be replacing Mueller tonight. He's very fast and has a decent technique.
QUOTE (Fishdoll @ Jul 7 2010, 01:58 PM)
I think it might be Trochowski instead of Muller -- he's fast and could cause Capdevilla problems.
Whoever plays, I hope it's a good game. Should be.
Whoever plays, I hope it's a good game. Should be.
According to BBC, some player rating system that FIFA uses has Capdevilla as the best player in the tournement so far (well up to the Spain-Paraguay game anyway) which was rather surprising.
QUOTE (Blackmaster @ Jul 7 2010, 12:56 PM)
Well, Leonardo is smarter than Maradona I think and Maradona plays only for money, just like Pele said.
I think one can say lots of bad stuff about Maradonna. But I'm pretty sure this job was an affair of the heart for him.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 7 2010, 02:41 PM)
Yep, Müller and Alonso out.
I think the only german problem is depth. They have a great starting XI but lack of subs like Fabregas.
I think the only german problem is depth. They have a great starting XI but lack of subs like Fabregas.
Before this tournament started everyone said just the same thing about Germany. And then Ballack, Rolfes and Westermann picked up injuries but it didn't matter at all. Our squad is full of surprises. And, Kroos is just what Müller is. A big talent.
Only difference is - Kroos is more passive, he's what I call a classic old-fashioned AM. While Müller is everything else then this, a typicall Litmanen/Finidi type of player van Gaal likes.
Well, I agree that Müller is a very special player. The fact that no one called him the new Maradonna/Pele/Beckenbauer/Cruijff/best etc. something shows that he doesn't fit in any category. Kroos is not that kinda player of course, and his actions can be calculated more easily. But he's been amazing for Bayer Leverkusen last year and I think he'd be a good choice against Spain as well. But Löw willmostly likely use Trochowski instead.
In my opinion Kroos will play in Ozil's place and Ozil will play in Mullers place.
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WM 2010: Deutsche Aufstellung Trochowski stürmt für Müller
Die spannendste Personalentscheidung seit der Bundespräsidentenwahl ist gefallen: Piotr Trochowski ersetzt gegen Spanien den gesperrten Thomas Müller. Eine Entscheidung, die taktische Folgen hat.
Die Gelbsperre von Bayerns Offensivspieler Thomas Müller hatte in Fußball-Deutschland ja nicht nur für erregte Diskussionen über Sinn und Unsinn seiner zweiten Verwarnung gesorgt - sondern auch für eine über Tage dauernde Personaldiskussion.
Wen würde Bundestrainer Joachim Löw als Ersatz für Müller nominieren? Drei Kandidaten waren im Rennen: Cacau, Toni Kroos und Piotr Trochowski.
Nun hat sich Bundestrainer Joachim Löw am späten Vormittag entschieden. Nach Informationen mehrerer Medien steht der Hamburger Trochowski in der Startformation. Zuvor hatte es so ausgesehen, als würde Löw den Stuttgarter Cacau nominieren, weil dessen Spielweise von allen drei Kandidaten derjenigen von Müller am meisten ähnelt.
Trochowski hat in der Nationalmannschaft in den vergangenen Monaten einen ziemliches Auf und Ab erlebt. Als sich im Frühjahr andeutete, dass Bastian Schweinsteiger auch in der Nationalelf von der rechten Mittelfeldposition in die Zentrale wechselt, war Trochowski zunächst der aussichtsreichste Nachfolgekandidat.
Aufgrund seiner Formschwäche im Verein, wegen der er sogar beim HSV seinen Stammplatz verlor, galt er kurz vor der WM bei manchen Beobachtern jedoch als Streichkandidat. Im letzten Testspiel (3:1 gegen Bosnien) allerdings stand er plötzlich wieder in der Startformation - und durfte sich einem Stammplatz für die WM-Vorrunde nahe fühlen.
Doch dann war der Hamburger der einzige Spieler der Bosnien-Partie, der zum Auftakt gegen Australien nicht auf dem Platz stand. Stattdessen brachte Löw eben Thomas Müller - die wahrscheinlich beste Personalentscheidung in Löws Amtszeit. Die beiden ersten Spiele musste Trochowski sogar komplett von außen zusehen, gegen Ghana (23 Minuten), England (18) und Argentinien (sieben) kam er immerhin zu Kurzeinsätzen.
Mit der Entscheidung für Trochowski ist zwangsläufig eine kleine Änderung im deutschen Spielsystem verbunden. Während Thomas Müller ein dauerlaufender Nahtstellensucher ist, liegt Trochowskis Stärke eher im Dribbling, im kurzen Haken und im geprügelten Weitschuss.
Zudem gilt der Hamburger als jemand, der bisweilen die falsche Entscheidung trifft und abspielt, wenn er dribbeln müsste, aber dribbelt, wenn er abspielen müsste. Dennoch ist Löws Entscheidung nachvollziehbar - denn Cacau ähnelt zwar mehr Müller, war aber zuletzt verletzt. Er wäre eine sehr offensive Variante.
Die spannendste Personalentscheidung seit der Bundespräsidentenwahl ist gefallen: Piotr Trochowski ersetzt gegen Spanien den gesperrten Thomas Müller. Eine Entscheidung, die taktische Folgen hat.
Die Gelbsperre von Bayerns Offensivspieler Thomas Müller hatte in Fußball-Deutschland ja nicht nur für erregte Diskussionen über Sinn und Unsinn seiner zweiten Verwarnung gesorgt - sondern auch für eine über Tage dauernde Personaldiskussion.
Wen würde Bundestrainer Joachim Löw als Ersatz für Müller nominieren? Drei Kandidaten waren im Rennen: Cacau, Toni Kroos und Piotr Trochowski.
Nun hat sich Bundestrainer Joachim Löw am späten Vormittag entschieden. Nach Informationen mehrerer Medien steht der Hamburger Trochowski in der Startformation. Zuvor hatte es so ausgesehen, als würde Löw den Stuttgarter Cacau nominieren, weil dessen Spielweise von allen drei Kandidaten derjenigen von Müller am meisten ähnelt.
Trochowski hat in der Nationalmannschaft in den vergangenen Monaten einen ziemliches Auf und Ab erlebt. Als sich im Frühjahr andeutete, dass Bastian Schweinsteiger auch in der Nationalelf von der rechten Mittelfeldposition in die Zentrale wechselt, war Trochowski zunächst der aussichtsreichste Nachfolgekandidat.
Aufgrund seiner Formschwäche im Verein, wegen der er sogar beim HSV seinen Stammplatz verlor, galt er kurz vor der WM bei manchen Beobachtern jedoch als Streichkandidat. Im letzten Testspiel (3:1 gegen Bosnien) allerdings stand er plötzlich wieder in der Startformation - und durfte sich einem Stammplatz für die WM-Vorrunde nahe fühlen.
Doch dann war der Hamburger der einzige Spieler der Bosnien-Partie, der zum Auftakt gegen Australien nicht auf dem Platz stand. Stattdessen brachte Löw eben Thomas Müller - die wahrscheinlich beste Personalentscheidung in Löws Amtszeit. Die beiden ersten Spiele musste Trochowski sogar komplett von außen zusehen, gegen Ghana (23 Minuten), England (18) und Argentinien (sieben) kam er immerhin zu Kurzeinsätzen.
Mit der Entscheidung für Trochowski ist zwangsläufig eine kleine Änderung im deutschen Spielsystem verbunden. Während Thomas Müller ein dauerlaufender Nahtstellensucher ist, liegt Trochowskis Stärke eher im Dribbling, im kurzen Haken und im geprügelten Weitschuss.
Zudem gilt der Hamburger als jemand, der bisweilen die falsche Entscheidung trifft und abspielt, wenn er dribbeln müsste, aber dribbelt, wenn er abspielen müsste. Dennoch ist Löws Entscheidung nachvollziehbar - denn Cacau ähnelt zwar mehr Müller, war aber zuletzt verletzt. Er wäre eine sehr offensive Variante.
Source: Süddeutsche Zeitung
It's offical. trochwoski is going to replace Müller. Meh...
trochwoski would not be my first choice but I can see Özil in Muller place. But trying that in a semi would not be that smart.. I hope to see Llorente play tonight
Why would you want to move Ozil out of a place where he's been very effective? Why not just slot someone else into Muller's position?
I'm for Trochowski replacing Mueller.
I want to see how active Özil would been if he was in Muller's place and if he would score more.
But I don't really mind if Trochowski playing instead of Muller
But I don't really mind if Trochowski playing instead of Muller
I'd keep Ozil where he is and not play him out of position for the world cup semi. For a club game/exhibition, perhpas. 
Trochowski and Kroos are more than able to play the wing position Muller normally occupies; Ozil is a playmaker, not a winger.
Trochowski and Kroos are more than able to play the wing position Muller normally occupies; Ozil is a playmaker, not a winger.
QUOTE (samira @ Jul 7 2010, 06:44 PM)
I want to see how active Özil would been if he was in Muller's place and if he would score more.
But I don't really mind if Trochowski playing instead of Muller
But I don't really mind if Trochowski playing instead of Muller
A semi final is not exactly a match in which I would incline to unforced changes or tests. Both Özil and Trochowski aren't so deadly as Müller. Trochowski is more of a winger, so it's only natural to play him leaning more to a side.
Germany IMO still lack of three things: a cool substitute striker (I'd probably pick Cacau infront of Gomez), another defensive solution and, most importantly - a "6-er" like Jeremies or Didi Hamann. The letter is the most vounerable part of the German gameplan, so Spain could win them by keeping a strong midfield and winning those duels.
Easier said then done.
I don't even know if Özil is good at the right wing.... I know he has played left wing, but right wing? And he's better central anyway... Özil needs to stay where he is right now..... Trochowski seems like a logic choice then...... I think Cacau makes more sense as backup for Podolski or Klose, since he is not as much of a midfielder like Müller and Trochowski. Kroos seems most logic as backup for Özil, but maybe he could backup Müller too, but it looks like Trochowski will do this.
Marin could have been considered also. He can play both wings well.
Marin could have been considered also. He can play both wings well.
yeah I know thats why I sayed it would be stupied to put him there in the semis when they are playing agianst spain
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 7 2010, 06:56 PM)
A semi final is not exactly a match in which I would incline to unforced changes or tests. Both Özil and Trochowski aren't so deadly as Müller. Trochowski is more of a winger, so it's only natural to play him leaning more to a side.
Germany IMO still lack of three things: a cool substitute striker (I'd probably pick Cacau infront of Gomez), another defensive solution and, most importantly - a "6-er" like Jeremies or Didi Hamann. The letter is the most vounerable part of the German gameplan, so Spain could win them by keeping a strong midfield and winning those duels.
Easier said then done.
Germany IMO still lack of three things: a cool substitute striker (I'd probably pick Cacau infront of Gomez), another defensive solution and, most importantly - a "6-er" like Jeremies or Didi Hamann. The letter is the most vounerable part of the German gameplan, so Spain could win them by keeping a strong midfield and winning those duels.
Easier said then done.
Jeremies or Hamann are not the kinda players for todays football IMO. Especially Jeremies job was simply to destroy the opoonents match, while Khedira can do that AND attack. The most vulnerable part IMO is Jerome Boateng...he lacks experience big time. Spain are the best team in the world, but we can beat them.
^ He did a fine job with the Argies. I also feared he'd make a mistake, but proved me wrong - so now I have confidence he'll do good. Same goes for Manuel Neuer.
Well so far Spain has been a little disapointed but I thin this game , they better step up or else Germans can start the party now
Lineups are in.
Pedro for Torres for Spain
Trochowski for Muller for Germany
The rest of both teams is unchanged.
Pedro for Torres for Spain
Trochowski for Muller for Germany
The rest of both teams is unchanged.
Klose 8 shots in the penalty area & 0 outside 24.3 km/h
Villa 5 shots in the penalty area & 11 outside 23. 5 km/h
and Usain Bolt the world most fastest person is 44.4 km/h.
the swedish - www.fotbollskanalen.se
Alonso is playing tonight
Villa 5 shots in the penalty area & 11 outside 23. 5 km/h
and Usain Bolt the world most fastest person is 44.4 km/h.
the swedish - www.fotbollskanalen.se
Alonso is playing tonight
HT 0-0 Spain are playing very good !
close there, Özil.
Puyol 1-0
close there, Özil.
Puyol 1-0
I love Carles!
David Villa out Torres in 
wow that was stupied made by Pedro
Pedro out Silva in wow thought theey were bringing Fabregas in, probably saving it to the final..
Hope Germany scores now
wow that was stupied made by Pedro
Pedro out Silva in wow thought theey were bringing Fabregas in, probably saving it to the final..
Hope Germany scores now
So there'll be a new World Cup champion. Paul the Octopus was right.
FT Germany 0-1 Spain.
FT Germany 0-1 Spain.
Viva Espana!
(Spain and Holland have never previously met at a WC or Euros)
(Spain and Holland have never previously met at a WC or Euros)
Baah - Deutschland, wie eine Flasche leer.
It's disastrous how Spain got through with three 1-0 results, of wich 2/3 goals were offsides and also one penalty not given (yes, the one on Özil).
It's disastrous how Spain got through with three 1-0 results, of wich 2/3 goals were offsides and also one penalty not given (yes, the one on Özil).
Then one on Özil, if Im going to be honest, freekick but when Özil got the ball he had a hard time handle it..
I'm sad and disappointed ! I wasn't expecting this.
I don't think it was a penalty on Ozil.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 7 2010, 09:28 PM)
also one penalty not given (yes, the one on Özil).
If a German said this to me, I'd just laugh.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 8 2010, 12:58 AM)
Baah - Deutschland, wie eine Flasche leer.
It's disastrous how Spain got through with three 1-0 results, of wich 2/3 goals were offsides and also one penalty not given (yes, the one on Özil).
It's disastrous how Spain got through with three 1-0 results, of wich 2/3 goals were offsides and also one penalty not given (yes, the one on Özil).
I think the foul was committed outside of penalty area.
Anyway, the better team won. Spain hadn't played the best football until before this game but they completely outplayed Germany tonight, it was Euro 2008 final all over again.
I admit I wanted Germany to win and I'm a bit sad now, but it's cooler to have a Spain-Holland final cause 1. Holland wouldn't have stood a chance against Germany IMO 2. neither have won the World Cup. that'll make them game far more stressful and that's what I want from any final 3. Italy remain ahead of Germany in terms of World Cups won
There was no penalty but clearly it was a faul comited by Puyol on Klose next to goalkeeper's box.
Well, I do think it was a kick that made Özil loose control over the ball. Anyway, Germany deserved the final much more then Spain did.
Freekick yes but not penalty..
49 % Germany 51% Spain, come on, in Urugauy - Holland it was 59 % to Netherland..
I don't belive it
49 % Germany 51% Spain, come on, in Urugauy - Holland it was 59 % to Netherland..
I don't belive it
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jul 3 2010, 05:01 PM)
'Germany' play hoofball which means they'll struggle if they go behind, Holland dint have such problems in my opinion.
"But Germany don't play hoof ball"
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 8 2010, 01:08 AM)
Well, I do think it was a kick that made Özil loose control over the ball. Anyway, Germany deserved the final much more then Spain did.
Based on what? this game? no way. previous games? definitely. Spain were clearly superior tonight.
I don't think they do, Kurt.
But I also disagree with Fillipo -- I think Spain deserved the win.
But I also disagree with Fillipo -- I think Spain deserved the win.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jul 7 2010, 08:38 PM)
Well, I do think it was a kick that made Özil loose control over the ball. Anyway, Germany deserved the final much more then Spain did.
How's that??
Because they seemingly "trashed" England and Argentina? Both were games were they went ahead early and hit on the counter with amazing efficiency. In this game the tables were turned as they didn't manage to get that early goal, and Spain literally played them off the park. Spain might not have lit up the competition so far but they have been defensively solid, they have an amazing midfield and have a striker that will finish is he gets the chance. They deserve to be in the final just for tonight.
I've always said that I'm not going to go gaga over the Germans until they face a great team (England and Argentina on paper are great teams but England got outplayed by Algeria that's how horrible they were and Argentina have a horrible defence). And the moment they faced that great team they were KO'd
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