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Giancarlo
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 18 2008, 07:33 AM) *
He was in obvious pain. something serious has happened to his knee... too bad. this Luigi Berlusconi trophy always costs Juve one of their players... maybe we should switch to another team, Real Madrid maybe? smile.gif


I always named Chiellini as one of my favorite defenders (despite the team he plays for, the Inmates) and I hope for a speedy recovery.

You know I'd be in favor of playing a different team...
Zed.D
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 10:16 AM) *
And as far as Abbiati... I think those who bad mouth him have their own agendas. Dida nearly cost us a second goal by the way when he left his box. Think about that before you want him as first choice. His reactions are completely mistimed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4R1haRU_II

I was one of those before the pre-season started. but after seeing Abbiati's performances I took my words back. I agree with what you said; Dida didn't look confident. I hope Carlo puts sentimentalism aside and picks Abbiati as our #1.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 11:06 AM) *
I always named Chiellini as one of my favorite defenders (despite the team he plays for, the Inmates) and I hope for a speedy recovery.

You know I'd be in favor of playing a different team...

Which team, for instance?
Giancarlo
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 18 2008, 08:39 AM) *
Which team, for instance?


Well it would have to be Spanish or Italian... or something along that lines. Real Madrid seems appropriate. Can't be an English, French or German team because I think they all start this season this weekend. Is the Trofeo Berlusconi always on this day of the year?

BTW, sentimentalism can really hurt a team. As much as I look back at Dida's distinguished career, I think he can only regain his form in Brazil perhaps... playing for a team there... and close on a high note.
Zed.D
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 11:11 AM) *
Well it would have to be Spanish or Italian... or something along that lines. Real Madrid seems appropriate. Can't be an English, French or German team because I think they all start this season this weekend. Is the Trofeo Berlusconi always on this day of the year?


Yeah I think it can't be German or English teams, their seasons kick off earlier. I'd love it to be Real. we haven't played them for many years (the last time was 2002 or 2003 IIRC). Milan-Real Madrid should be a European classic, not a rarity.
Jack Sparrow
Top two teams of the Spanish and Italian leagues from the past season. Invitational tournament. Probably up the prize money, so it at least pays for the air fare for the Spaniards. Now, that's a trophy more deserving of the name Berlusconi. I'd probably have this tournament to use all experimental technology being discussed in today's football. It might also be a good idea to have a primavera competition among these teams.
Tennie
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 18 2008, 03:33 AM) *
He was in obvious pain. something serious has happened to his knee... too bad. this Luigi Berlusconi trophy always costs Juve one of their players... maybe we should switch to another team, Real Madrid maybe? smile.gif


Playing Real wouldn't be bad, but this tournament does have a bit of a jinx for the opposing team -- it was in this tournament some years ago that Kaka collided with Buffon, dislocating his shoulder, the reason why Abbiati ended up with the Zebras in the first place.

I thought you liked Real? smile.gif
dst
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 18 2008, 10:33 AM) *
He was in obvious pain. something serious has happened to his knee... too bad. this Luigi Berlusconi trophy always costs Juve one of their players... maybe we should switch to another team, Real Madrid maybe? smile.gif

I don't think that's what you meant but me, I would love to see them ****ers getting injured while playing against us!
Zed.D
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 18 2008, 01:58 PM) *
Playing Real wouldn't be bad, but this tournament does have a bit of a jinx for the opposing team -- it was in this tournament some years ago that Kaka collided with Buffon, dislocating his shoulder, the reason why Abbiati ended up with the Zebras in the first place.

I thought you liked Real? smile.gif

Yeah I remember that incident. and yeah, I like Real! just because Juve players are unlucky in this competition doesn't mean other teams' players are too, does it? smile.gif

QUOTE (dst @ Aug 18 2008, 02:42 PM) *
I would love to see them ****ers getting injured while playing against us!


Do you love to see Raul break a leg while playing against us too? shame on you, dst!! huh.gif sleep.gif
Tennie
I did some checking. Real HAS competed in the trophy. In 1993, the game was Milan-Madrid (Milan won 3-2).

In 1992, it was Milan-merda, and in 1994 it was Milan-Bayern.

For all other years, it's been Milan-Juve
dst
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 18 2008, 02:28 PM) *
Do you love to see Raul break a leg while playing against us too? shame on you, dst!! huh.gif sleep.gif

No. But if it was Guti, it would immediately become my new sig!
Tennie
But Guti's kinda cute!
dst
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 18 2008, 04:38 PM) *
But Guti's kinda cute!

You mean the... I-wanna-level-his-mug-with-a-baseball-bat kind of cute? Yeah, I'm with you!
TriniKing_CE
Wasn't able to see the game live but I just saw the higlights... and given the score (I guess we did pretty well)
We scored some nice goals, and it was our first open play win of the season I believe so that was good.
(More so because it was against Juve) smile.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ Aug 18 2008, 06:05 PM) *
No. But if it was Guti, it would immediately become my new sig!


Can't disagree with that!
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 18 2008, 03:09 AM) *
Abbiati only got something like 45 minutes more then him, and still managed to put in great performances that in my eyes are enough to get the gloves on the first day. Once he commits his first howler then we'll talk abou tDida (Kalac is out of the question) but for now Dida has done nothing but make mistakes still

Abbiati got lucky. Lucky that it came down to penalties and he saved a few. dry.gif Plus he was starting from a clean sheet, unlike Dida and to an extent Kalac. You of all people, han, should know that it takes extra effort to get back into the good books of Carlo once you're out of it. If that guy had his way, he'd not even spare Maldini if it came to it. The lucky thing is that the coach has his favorites, makes mistakes and still isn't answerable to anyone. All the while earning 6 million a season, to finish what, 4th and 5th consecutively?

Now when you bring Dida into all of this, I'm the first one to accept that he made his own bed. So he should lie in it. smile.gif No two words about that. But being given a fair chance is a completely different thing. He should have been given the whole match yesterday. What did we learn about Abbiati after seeing him in the first half? Nothing. He was first choice before this match, and he will be come the start of the season. If I were Dida, I'd know that it would take force much powerful than any in this world to come to first place (from the third). He should be happy to stick ahead of Kalac at this point in time, judging by how things were. Particularly with someone like Carlo Ancelotti at the helm.

I don't think he's a lost cause just yet. wink.gif There are a good year or two left from him, if he manages to come back, that is. On pure talent Dida is still our number one, when compared to the likes of Abbiati and Kalac. But talent alone doesn't count, does it? And we shouldn't worry about Dida's wages, because I'm sure they are relative to him being in the first XI. If not, then there is a good chance he's earning much less than what he is contracted for. No wonder all our regular jokers (Brocchi and friends) give everything to be in the coach's plans. Otherwise it's a financial hit for them.

Should Dida start come the beginning of the season? No way, Jose. tongue.gif He hasn't shown enough to be considered such. Abbiati got lucky in the TIM match (and the fact that he was talented enough to save a few penalties), and the fact that he got his chances and took them with both hands. Let's see how it goes once the season starts. 38 matches is a long time for this kind of a thing. Plus, that's not to say Abbiati wouldn't have made these kinds of mistakes. He isn't Buffon or better, the last time I checked.

If Dida has it in him, I'd very much like him to earn his way to the top. Not sneak his way up like his friends. cool.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 18 2008, 03:32 PM) *
If Dida has it in him, I'd very much like him to earn his way to the top. Not sneak his way up like his friends. cool.gif

He blew his chance big time last night. Letting goals in at your near post is a sin, I don't care how well hit the shot is, you just don't do it.
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 18 2008, 07:50 PM) *
He blew his chance big time last night. Letting goals in at your near post is a sin, I don't care how well hit the shot is, you just don't do it.

You've got a very solid point, and while I completely agree with it, I've seen a mouthful of keepers who get beaten at their near post so often. If some keeper has this weakness, it's not the easiest thing to rectify, unfortunately. biggrin.gif Every keeper has his weakness.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE
President Berlusconi: "Inzaghi as he is, he doesn't let a chance go by!"





Silvio Berlusconi after the game against Juventus, expressed that he was content. Since this cup carries the name of his father Luigi, and Milan win it for the 10th time in history, and it is the seventh time that Milan win it against Juve.


And these are the statements that the president made to 'Milan Channel' after the Milan 4 - 1 Juve: "It was a beautiful evening and I thank Juventus which wanted to keep the tradition by participating in this cup, and coming onto the pitch with a very competitive team, very strong physically because they have started their training before us in weeks. Milan were missing a lot of first team players and I must say this, even with all these players missing we have played very well and the score line is the prize for us. I am pleased that our team won this trophy, and what pleases me is that I took a shot with my father's cup."

He continued: "I found Flamini to be a player with a lot continuity, he is very strong and has great technical ability. Milan respects its history, in which he was always victorious. This year we have to try for the Scudetto, so we can go back into the Champions League ready. This evening Inzaghi scored yet again, as he is, he doesn't let a chance go by."
acid911
Always good to hear words from the man himself. cool.gif He should talk more often about the club.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 18 2008, 02:50 PM) *
He blew his chance big time last night. Letting goals in at your near post is a sin, I don't care how well hit the shot is, you just don't do it.


I agree with you. The time of Dida between Milan's posts is OVER. I think people have a hard time accepting that. Dida nearly conceded a second goal when he TOTALLY mistimed coming out of the box... it wasn't for some lucky defending it would have been 3-2 at that point...

I can't really agree with acid (or any of his negative criticism frankly). It's Abbiati's time and he has proven that he is the first choice. He has always been one of my favorite goalkeepers, and in the past years he has been solid. I'd still like us to have a young understudy... you know like the Abbondanizeri and Ustari partnership at Getafe. Speaking of Ustari... poor guy... I heard his injury is quite horrendous...

But anyways, back to the game... I think that Abbiati is most certainly fit and his timing and judgments are quite accurate... like Buffons. Of course every keeper has his weaknesses. Sometimes Abbiati has the tendency of punching the ball instead of grabbing it... but I'll go for him over Dida's lack of reaction.

Edit:

Here is some news on Chiellini...

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug18m.html

Juventus can breathe a sigh of relief as tests have revealed that Giorgio Chiellini hasn’t damaged his cruciate ligament.

The Azzurri defender was injured in a collision with Milan’s Alberto Paloschi during last night’s Trofeo Berlusconi.

There had been fears that Chiellini could be out for between three and six months with a torn cruciate ligament in his knee.

However, Juventus’ medical team have investigated and have ruled out cruciate ligament damage.

Chiellini could be back in action by the end of September and has expressed his relief.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 06:49 PM) *
Here is some news on Chiellini...

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug18m.html

Juventus can breathe a sigh of relief as tests have revealed that Giorgio Chiellini hasn’t damaged his cruciate ligament.

The Azzurri defender was injured in a collision with Milan’s Alberto Paloschi during last night’s Trofeo Berlusconi.

There had been fears that Chiellini could be out for between three and six months with a torn cruciate ligament in his knee.

However, Juventus’ medical team have investigated and have ruled out cruciate ligament damage.

Chiellini could be back in action by the end of September and has expressed his relief.



I was just about to put that up, you were too fast tongue.gif

That cheeky little Uruguayan thug, he knocked out one of the Zebra's first team players biggrin.gif
Giancarlo
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 18 2008, 05:07 PM) *
I was just about to put that up, you were too fast tongue.gif

That cheeky little Uruguayan thug, he knocked out one of the Zebra's first team players biggrin.gif


Um... Paloschi? I don't think Cardacio or Viudez were responsible...
acid911
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 08:49 PM) *
I can't really agree with acid (or any of his negative criticism frankly). It's Abbiati's time and he has proven that he is the first choice. He has always been one of my favorite goalkeepers, and in the past years he has been solid. I'd still like us to have a young understudy... you know like the Abbondanizeri and Ustari partnership at Getafe. Speaking of Ustari... poor guy... I heard his injury is quite horrendous...

Abbiati is not the future, my friend. smile.gif Then again Dida isn't too. What I'd like is a mid age, established keeper that would last us a generation (6-8 years). Unfortunately the three we have don't fit the bill. The sooner the management accepts that and acts on it, the better.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 07:09 PM) *
Um... Paloschi? I don't think Cardacio or Viudez were responsible...


Was it Paloschi ? Well Vuidez did come in, if my memory serves me right, I think it was Vuidez
acid911
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 18 2008, 09:13 PM) *
Was it Paloschi ? Well Vuidez did come in, if my memory serves me right, I think it was Vuidez

I reckon it was Paloschi. unsure.gif But my stream was breaking up at that time, so I am not 100% sure on this. It was either of them, though.
Tennie
Nah, it was Paloschi. They were both going for a ball and feet got tangled.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 18 2008, 05:10 PM) *
Abbiati is not the future, my friend. smile.gif Then again Dida isn't too. What I'd like is a mid age, established keeper that would last us a generation (6-8 years). Unfortunately the three we have don't fit the bill. The sooner the management accepts that and acts on it, the better.


Abbiati is the future ,and he's what 31? That's like 25 in goalkeeper years. It's best to keep an established keeper like Abbiati, and a young understudy. Abbiati is not an old guy by any stretch of the imagination. Sorry can't agree with you on that one.
acid911
I meant future as in quality, not age. He's 31 yes. smile.gif But it still remains to be seen whether he'd be a better choice than someone like Frey, Akineev, Boruc, etc. I don't know as much about Abbiati as you (being his fan) to judge his technique and skills, but if given a choice, I'd choose someone better if I can. We'll see how he steps up through the season, of course. A lot of matches to judge him and his keeping skills.

Agree with you about a young understudy, though. A young keeper is a necessity for a high profile club as Milan. wink.gif
Giancarlo
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 18 2008, 04:57 PM) *
I meant future as in quality, not age. He's 31 yes. smile.gif But it still remains to be seen whether he'd be a better choice than someone like Frey, Akineev, Boruc, etc. I don't know as much about Abbiati as you (being his fan) to judge his technique and skills, but if given a choice, I'd choose someone better if I can. We'll see how he steps up through the season, of course. A lot of matches to judge him and his keeping skills.

Agree with you about a young understudy, though. A young keeper is a necessity for a high profile club as Milan. wink.gif


I think this is where we have major differences and I do think that Abbiati is a top class keeper, and I think we will just have to agree to disagree. But don't get me wrong, I want to bring another young skilled keeper in.

I don't know what happened to that deal with the Santos keeper Felipe...
I_Rossoneri
Abbiatti is just as prone to comical errors as Kalac and Dodo just not as often. He definitely isn't the answer to our goalkeeper crisis.

As for last night, great result but it was only a friendly so I'm not going to get too carried away with it. It should be a good confidence booster for the league though.
dst
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 18 2008, 07:25 PM) *
Nah, it was Paloschi. They were both going for a ball and feet got tangled.

It was weird cause there was no knock. Paloschi only lightly swooped with his leg Chiellini's other leg (not the one that got injured).
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 18 2008, 07:15 PM) *
I reckon it was Paloschi. unsure.gif But my stream was breaking up at that time, so I am not 100% sure on this. It was either of them, though.


Yeah, I was streaming too, I guess it is Paloschi ..

But it wasn't the nastiest of knocks, but during contact sports such things happen all the time. Look at how they stop Kaka' for instance
Giancarlo
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Aug 18 2008, 06:11 PM) *
Abbiatti is just as prone to comical errors as Kalac and Dodo just not as often. He definitely isn't the answer to our goalkeeper crisis.

As for last night, great result but it was only a friendly so I'm not going to get too carried away with it. It should be a good confidence booster for the league though.


I don't agree with that. I think he's a pretty fine keeper that makes few mistakes. He's a human being, but he's definitely the keeper I think we need.
acid911
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 10:01 PM) *
I think this is where we have major differences and I do think that Abbiati is a top class keeper, and I think we will just have to agree to disagree. But don't get me wrong, I want to bring another young skilled keeper in.

Sure. wink.gif That's your opinion and I respect that. We'll know as the season progresses though. You seem to know a bit about Abbiati (being a fan). I'm not, so I can't tell how good he is. But I'm of course a tad surprised to hear that you prefer him to the likes of another better keeper. I'd choose a Buffon, (Eric) Casilas, Julio Cesar, Peter Cech, or the old Dida over the likes of Abbiati/Kalac any day of the week. But that's me I guess.

QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 10:01 PM) *
I don't know what happened to that deal with the Santos keeper Felipe...

Last I heard we bought him and let him stay on loan at his previous club for one year to gain further experience. smile.gif I think he'll be announced as our new signing when he's ready to move to Milan next season.
Zed.D
Who's Eric Casillas biggrin.gif
acid911
A new name I like to call the Real Madrid keeper. smile.gif Here are the link, in case you've missed it, zd:

The Eric Casillas Story
The Original Eric
Tennie
So if we get Eric Casillas in goal will we also get Iker Cantona in attack?biggrin.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2008, 01:46 AM) *
So if we get Eric Casillas in goal will we also get Iker Cantona in attack?

Oh, dear. I'd rather not have anything to do with Cantona. Thank you. unsure.gif I still remember his speeches to journalists. Casillas in goal would be real nice, though.
MizNelson
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 18 2008, 07:32 AM) *
Abbiati got lucky. Lucky that it came down to penalties and he saved a few. dry.gif Plus he was starting from a clean sheet, unlike Dida and to an extent Kalac. You of all people, han, should know that it takes extra effort to get back into the good books of Carlo once you're out of it. If that guy had his way, he'd not even spare Maldini if it came to it. The lucky thing is that the coach has his favorites, makes mistakes and still isn't answerable to anyone. All the while earning 6 million a season, to finish what, 4th and 5th consecutively?

Now when you bring Dida into all of this, I'm the first one to accept that he made his own bed. So he should lie in it. smile.gif No two words about that. But being given a fair chance is a completely different thing. He should have been given the whole match yesterday. What did we learn about Abbiati after seeing him in the first half? Nothing. He was first choice before this match, and he will be come the start of the season. If I were Dida, I'd know that it would take force much powerful than any in this world to come to first place (from the third). He should be happy to stick ahead of Kalac at this point in time, judging by how things were. Particularly with someone like Carlo Ancelotti at the helm.

I don't think he's a lost cause just yet. wink.gif There are a good year or two left from him, if he manages to come back, that is. On pure talent Dida is still our number one, when compared to the likes of Abbiati and Kalac. But talent alone doesn't count, does it? And we shouldn't worry about Dida's wages, because I'm sure they are relative to him being in the first XI. If not, then there is a good chance he's earning much less than what he is contracted for. No wonder all our regular jokers (Brocchi and friends) give everything to be in the coach's plans. Otherwise it's a financial hit for them.

Should Dida start come the beginning of the season? No way, Jose. tongue.gif He hasn't shown enough to be considered such. Abbiati got lucky in the TIM match (and the fact that he was talented enough to save a few penalties), and the fact that he got his chances and took them with both hands. Let's see how it goes once the season starts. 38 matches is a long time for this kind of a thing. Plus, that's not to say Abbiati wouldn't have made these kinds of mistakes. He isn't Buffon or better, the last time I checked.

If Dida has it in him, I'd very much like him to earn his way to the top. Not sneak his way up like his friends. cool.gif

Class post. :star:

QUOTE (Tennie)
So if we get Eric Casillas in goal will we also get Iker Cantona in attack?

We'll first sign Edwin van der Cech. smile.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 06:43 PM) *
I don't agree with that. I think he's a pretty fine keeper that makes few mistakes. He's a human being, but he's definitely the keeper I think we need.

Then maybe we should play a robot in goal.

QUOTE (MizNelson)
We'll first sign Edwin van der Cech.

laugh.gif laugh.gif
Giancarlo
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 18 2008, 09:14 PM) *
Then maybe we should play a robot in goal.


If you can find one, I'm all for it. smile.gif
acid911
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 19 2008, 02:15 AM) *
If you can find one, I'm all for it.

Yeah, double that up. tongue.gif Sure would spare us lengthy conversations about keepers and golvesmen here in the forums.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 18 2008, 11:59 PM) *
Yeah, double that up. tongue.gif Sure would spare us lengthy conversations about keepers and golvesmen here in the forums.


Or if we could bring Lev Yashin back from the dead...
acid911
Now you've said it. ohmy.gif Yashin was the man. Did all his trade in Russia, was a one-club man, and probably the greatest keeper of all time. I wish we could get someone like him, that'd be really something!

Plus he stopped over 150 penalty kicks in his lifetime. Gee whiz!
Giancarlo
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 18 2008, 11:09 PM) *
Now you've said it. ohmy.gif Yashin was the man. Did all his trade in Russia, was a one-club man, and probably the greatest keeper of all time. I wish we could get someone like him, that'd be really something!

Plus he stopped over 150 penalty kicks in his lifetime. Gee whiz!


Yeah he was a real legend. And they have an award given out in his honor (Buffon recently got this award).

150 penalty kicks saves? Holy hell... that's one thing I didn't know...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srFxMqEQ_ek

We need to find someone like him. I really think we must.
MizNelson
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 18 2008, 09:26 AM) *
Abbiati is the future ,and he's what 31?

Abbiati is hardly the future of this club, but at this point I could care less if Diana Ross starts in goal. The problem I have is people insisting on perseverating on The Goal that Dida conceded in a frickin' friendly match that we dominated and won 4-1, before which he played his first match since being inactive for six-plus months.

Pardon me for bitching but it just seems sometimes that nobody is ever satisfied. We could've won 10-1 yesterday and it wouldn't have mattered. Look him up on Google Groups and see the s**t that people are writing over there. I just don't get it.
Giancarlo
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 19 2008, 04:34 AM) *
Abbiati is hardly the future of this club, but at this point I could care less if Diana Ross starts in goal. The problem I have is people insisting on perseverating on The Goal that Dida conceded in a frickin' friendly match that we dominated and won 4-1, before which he played his first match since being inactive for six-plus months.

Pardon me for bitching but it just seems sometimes that nobody is ever satisfied. We could've won 10-1 yesterday and it wouldn't have mattered. Look him up on Google Groups and see the s**t that people are writing over there. I just don't get it.


I recognize Dida's long distinguished service. But the goal he conceded and the nearly second one show he has shoddy judgment. He should have covered the near post. He mistimed leaving his box causing a near blunder. He also looked nervous. Abbiati is the future and has a confidence level I hope holds and increases as the season goes on.

Dida is done. His time is over. I've put up a lot with his antics... he's DONE! He's not the Dida of 2002-3.
GrinReaper
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 19 2008, 09:04 AM) *
Abbiati is hardly the future of this club

That I agree with as well. Lloris would have had that title if he'd come to us. But what the hell has Lyon got that we don't? Apart from a very funny-sounding name.
GrinReaper
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 19 2008, 09:09 AM) *
Dida is done. His time is over. I've put up a lot with his antics... he's DONE! He's not the Dida of 2002-3.

Well, not if he gets that confidence back. But he can only do that if he stops conceding such goals. It's a vicious circle, that. unsure.gif
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