Zed.D
May 24 2009, 04:21 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 24 2009, 06:46 PM)

No? You wouldn't call that non-existent free-kick goal (which a decisive keeper would have saved any day) lucky? O, I really wasn't impressed by both teams, but Roma scoring 3 goals sounds a bit too much to me considering their display.
I thought you were saying the free kick takers were lucky that their shots went in!...
I can't remember how they got those free kicks right now tbh. I'm kinda shocked.
han2503
May 24 2009, 04:23 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 24 2009, 03:16 PM)

No? You wouldn't call that non-existent free-kick goal (which a decisive keeper would have saved any day) lucky? O, I really wasn't impressed by both teams, but Roma scoring 3 goals sounds a bit too much to me considering their display.
Well considering our defensive display I say it was a perfectly accurate result...
Yes the defensive wall was terrible in both free-kicks but aren't these things supposed to be practiced in training. Our defence has been cr@p for years now, and Carlo still hasn't adressed this problem. Shouldn't a coach be able to organize the defence, even if it isn't the best around?
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 24 2009, 03:19 PM)


The last thing, the DIFF thing is the GOAL DIFFERENCE. That's what matters in Italy.
Therefore the 3rd place is safe, though is exactly the same to end 3rd or 4th. You gotta play the 3rd pre of the CL.
We have to win in Florence. Or at least get the same result of Juve against Lazio to be automatically in CL group stage.
The rules have changed porty. It's the 1st, 2nd and 3rd teams that go through automatically, only the 4th placed team has to play preliminaries
Zed.D
May 24 2009, 04:23 PM
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 24 2009, 06:49 PM)

Therefore the 3rd place is safe, though is exactly the same to end 3rd or 4th. You gotta play the 3rd pre of the CL.
No Porty they've changed the rules: the first 3 teams go straight to group stages. the 4th goes to 3rd preliminary round.
Fillipo Simone
May 24 2009, 04:23 PM
Roma presitance and refeer. Naturally, I get the picture and I know what you're talking about han, but,...it's a special day and I'm not interested in investigating Ancelotti errors. And really, who would be? Maldini played his last match, that's important. Carletto lost many matches this season, I'm sure we've covered his mistakes very well so far, so...let's give it to Maldini this time.
Darunia
May 24 2009, 04:24 PM
Since 2005–06, if two or more teams end the season with the same number of points, the ordering is determined by their head-to-head records. In case two or more teams have same total points and same head-to-head records, goal difference becomes the secondary deciding factor.
It's quite possible Fiorentina makes it to 3rd if they beat us by 2 goals or more.
CrazyMilanFan
May 24 2009, 04:24 PM
according to wikipedia Since 2005–06, if two or more teams end the season with the same number of points, the ordering is determined by their head-to-head records. In case two or more teams have same total points and same head-to-head records, goal difference becomes the secondary deciding factor.
and on skysport live table milan is third despite having a better goal difference than juve
armiss
May 24 2009, 04:25 PM
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 24 2009, 06:49 PM)


The last thing, the DIFF thing is the GOAL DIFFERENCE. That's what matters in Italy.
Therefore the 3rd place is safe, though is exactly the same to end 3rd or 4th. You gotta play the 3rd pre of the CL.
We have to win in Florence. Or at least get the same result of Juve against Lazio to be automatically in CL group stage.
i am really angry about everything today, players, coach and the most REfrees , i remembered Chelsea - Barcelona
BUT i am really happy about CL
Zed.D
May 24 2009, 04:26 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 24 2009, 06:49 PM)

How can you say it was just the ref's fault and Roma's persistance??
We had just as much to play for as Roma had. Not only that we were giving our legendary captain a send off, and yet you're saying the players still can't find it in them to put in a decent performance??
Carlo made terrible decisions today. Why was Zambro dropped in favour of Janku?? That was the most ridiculous decisions I've seen him make in weeks. Pippo was terrible, yet he still stayed on and Pato was pulled out when he was our best player in the first half. I'm sorry but how can you defend these decisions???
Kaka, again had a terrible game yet he doesn't dare to take him off, yes at the end he finally started to play well, but no one could have predicted that. He chould have come off at half time, simple as that
100% agreed. but let's not criticize Carlo because he's now the Chelsea coach!
What's done is done...
Fillipo Simone
May 24 2009, 04:27 PM
QUOTE
Yes the defensive wall was terrible in both free-kicks but aren't these things supposed to be practiced in training. Our defence has been cr@p for years now, and Carlo still hasn't adressed this problem. Shouldn't a coach be able to organize the defence, even if it isn't the best around?
I don't know. There are Maldini, Favalli, Costacurta + the coaching staff with Tassotti; so many defensive specialists and oldies. I don't think it's up to the organization. I'm sure Mauro Tassotti is a very good defensive organizer.
Portman
May 24 2009, 04:27 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ May 24 2009, 04:19 PM)

Dont' get me excited now porty. Because it it doesn't happen I'll come knocking on your door
No need.
armiss
May 24 2009, 04:28 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2009, 06:54 PM)

according to wikipedia Since 2005–06, if two or more teams end the season with the same number of points, the ordering is determined by their head-to-head records. In case two or more teams have same total points and same head-to-head records, goal difference becomes the secondary deciding factor.
and on skysport live table milan is third despite having a better goal difference than juve
as bad as today
Portman
May 24 2009, 04:28 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2009, 04:24 PM)

and on skysport live table milan is third despite having a better goal difference than juve
What do the British know about pasta?
Zed.D
May 24 2009, 04:29 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2009, 06:54 PM)

according to wikipedia Since 2005–06, if two or more teams end the season with the same number of points, the ordering is determined by their head-to-head records. In case two or more teams have same total points and same head-to-head records, goal difference becomes the secondary deciding factor.
and on skysport live table milan is third despite having a better goal difference than juve
****! so it means we absolutely need to avoid loss in Florence. with the way we've played in the past three weeks, I doubt we can.
Fillipo Simone
May 24 2009, 04:29 PM
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 24 2009, 04:27 PM)

No need.
So, Porty, who's your favorite to take over?
Minami
May 24 2009, 04:29 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2009, 05:24 PM)

according to wikipedia Since 2005–06, if two or more teams end the season with the same number of points, the ordering is determined by their head-to-head records. In case two or more teams have same total points and same head-to-head records, goal difference becomes the secondary deciding factor.
and on skysport live table milan is third despite having a better goal difference than juve
I saw that too, so we're 3rd now?
Fillipo Simone
May 24 2009, 04:30 PM
Look, 2nd and 3rd go straight to CL group phase. Meaning this discussion is quite irrelevant. Only thing we HAVE to do is win FOR MALDINI.
CrazyMilanFan
May 24 2009, 04:30 PM
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 24 2009, 04:28 PM)

What do the British know about pasta?
that to get extra cheese u need to pay extra 50 pence
Portman
May 24 2009, 04:31 PM
Stop the "OH NOES" posts. Not because I said so (that would be enough, ain't it?) but... I mean... the Juventus official website put us ahead of them. :\
So do the official LEGA CALCIO site.

Should we go with the British?
CrazyMilanFan
May 24 2009, 04:32 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 24 2009, 04:30 PM)

Look, 2nd and 3rd go straight to CL group phase. Meaning this discussion is quite irrelevant. Only thing we HAVE to do is win FOR MALDINI.
yea but we could be headting towards 4th if we lose and if the position is decided by head to head
Minami
May 24 2009, 04:32 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 24 2009, 05:30 PM)

Look, 2nd and 3rd go straight to CL group phase. Meaning this discussion is quite irrelevant. Only thing we HAVE to do is win FOR MALDINI.
I know that we have to win for Il Capitano
Zed.D
May 24 2009, 04:33 PM
Juve won by the way after going for ~8 games without a single win (their worst run in 40-50 years IINM). that's the changing coach effect.
Portman
May 24 2009, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 24 2009, 04:29 PM)

So, Porty, who's your favorite to take over?
Beside myself it's a hard choice.
Most probably we'll get some dutch wannabe-coach.
CrazyMilanFan
May 24 2009, 04:35 PM
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 24 2009, 04:33 PM)

Beside myself it's a hard choice.
Most probably we'll get some dutch wannabe-coach.
MVB or rijkaard and what abt leanardo stuff?
Fillipo Simone
May 24 2009, 04:36 PM
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 24 2009, 04:33 PM)

Beside myself it's a hard choice.
Most probably we'll get some dutch wannabe-coach.
Gosh, I'm so scared of that solution. You know what that means? A Klinsmann like scenario, only even sooner.
And yes, could I get a assistant-coach place in your staff? Or do you prefer the yes-man type of assistant?
Minami
May 24 2009, 04:36 PM
we won the first game against fiore 1-0, so if we won't lose with more than 1-0 against them, we're 3rd....
armiss
May 24 2009, 04:38 PM
i fear Van Basten choice , i will choose Allegri over him
CrazyMilanFan
May 24 2009, 04:38 PM
QUOTE (Minami @ May 24 2009, 04:36 PM)

we won the first game against fiore 1-0, so if we won't lose with more than 1-0 against them, we're 3rd....
i think we will be 3rd any way bcoz it is goal difference here
http://www.lega-calcio.it/it.page
Portman
May 24 2009, 04:42 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2009, 04:35 PM)

MVB or rijkaard and what abt leanardo stuff?
As we do love to sign coaches that fail [Ancelotti at Juventus] we'll probably get Van Basten as he missed the CL with Ajax this season.
Though I'd prefer to stay with Ancelotti. [Not j/k]
Zed.D
May 24 2009, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2009, 07:08 PM)

i think we will be 3rd any way bcoz it is goal difference here
http://www.lega-calcio.it/it.pageIf the Lega Clacio website says it's GD, it's GD!
But we must win our last game no matter what. not only for us, Genoa are chasing the 4th place and it'd not be fair if we went to Florence and didn't play to win. besides, we could take revenge for what happened last year! they went to the CL at our expenses, now it could be the other way around.
Minami
May 24 2009, 04:47 PM
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ May 24 2009, 05:38 PM)

i think we will be 3rd any way bcoz it is goal difference here
http://www.lega-calcio.it/it.pageseems you're right
I'd love to win the game against Fiorentina for Paolo next weekend !!!!!
Zed.D
May 24 2009, 04:49 PM
QUOTE (Minami @ May 24 2009, 07:17 PM)

I'd love to win the game against Fiorentina for Paolo next weekend !!!!!

And for Genoa
-
Waiting for the announcement... I will kill myself if it says Ancelotti's renewed until 2012
armiss
May 24 2009, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (Portikins @ May 24 2009, 07:12 PM)

As we do love to sign coaches that fail [Ancelotti at Juventus] we'll probably get Van Basten as he missed the CL with Ajax this season.
Though I'd prefer to stay with Ancelotti. [Not j/k]
agree
but he will need to push Galliani and Berlusconi for some very strong players , the main reason that he didnt get the result in these years !! he always prefer to be with less !
Minami
May 24 2009, 04:54 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 24 2009, 05:49 PM)

And for Genoa
-
Waiting for the announcement... I will kill myself if it says Ancelotti's renewed until 2012
they won't extend hiy contract!!!! you saw galliani's and berlusconi's faces? they won't give him another season!
agenth
May 24 2009, 04:54 PM
This game has been so disappointing.
And fucking disgraceful.
Not only the game, but also the team, and now even Curva Sud.
I hope Curva Sud gets replaced by ants.
agenth
May 24 2009, 04:55 PM
BTW; Berlusconi said this morning that it will be Carlos last game:
http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Notizie/C...Ancelotti%C2%BB
Zed.D
May 24 2009, 04:57 PM
IF goal.com and channel4 are to be trusted, we haven't secured 3rd place yet. cause Genoa are in the same situation as we are (will be on level points with Fiorentina if they win/we beat Fiorentina). but those sites are reporting that Genoa are in Europa, Viola in the CL, so it's not GD but head to head.
But I stick with Lega Claio for now.
Minami
May 24 2009, 04:58 PM
QUOTE (agenth @ May 24 2009, 05:55 PM)

BTW; Berlusconi said this morning that it will be Carlos last game:
http://www.corrieredellosport.it/Notizie/C...Ancelotti%C2%BBCarlo's last game?
who will be coach next week then?
agenth
May 24 2009, 04:59 PM
Oh well. I guess Carlo the screwup-er will do it. It doesn't matter. Viola would have to score 8-0 or 2 goals difference win to get 3rd place.,..
Zed.D
May 24 2009, 05:01 PM
QUOTE
they won't extend hiy contract!!!! you saw galliani's and berlusconi's faces? they won't give him another season!
Just trying to be pessimistic about this!!!
QUOTE (agenth @ May 24 2009, 07:24 PM)

This game has been so disappointing.
And fucking disgraceful.
Not only the game, but also the team, and now even Curva Sud.
I hope Curva Sud gets replaced by ants.
What did the Curva Sud do?
agenth
May 24 2009, 05:02 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ May 24 2009, 06:01 PM)

Just trying to be pessimistic about this!!!
What did the Curva Sud do?

you guys dont know yet?!?!?!?!?
They are so disgraceful, it pains me to retell.
Well they had a banner up saying "C'e solo un capitan --- #6 Baresi"
and they chanted some insults towards Maldini.
My stream cut off right after the whistle so gratefully i didnt have to witness this otherwise i'd have gone ballistic.
apparently he just hugged some players, Carlo, then went into the tunnel...
CrazyMilanFan
May 24 2009, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (agenth @ May 24 2009, 05:02 PM)

you guys dont know yet?!?!?!?!?
They are so disgraceful, it pains me to retell.
Well they had a banner up saying "C'e solo un capitan --- #6 Baresi"
and they chanted some insults towards Maldini.
My stream cut off right after the whistle so gratefully i didnt have to witness this otherwise i'd have gone ballistic.
apparently he just hugged some players, Carlo, then went into the tunnel...
wtf
Minami
May 24 2009, 05:08 PM
QUOTE (agenth @ May 24 2009, 06:02 PM)

you guys dont know yet?!?!?!?!?
They are so disgraceful, it pains me to retell.
Well they had a banner up saying "C'e solo un capitan --- #6 Baresi"
and they chanted some insults towards Maldini.
My stream cut off right after the whistle so gratefully i didnt have to witness this otherwise i'd have gone ballistic.
apparently he just hugged some players, Carlo, then went into the tunnel...
what made them do THAT????
agenth
May 24 2009, 05:12 PM
http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=7573QUOTE
ROVINATA LA FESTA DEL CAPITANO
24.05.2009 17:20 di Milannews Redazione articolo letto 1031 volte
© foto di Federio De Luca
"C'è solo un capitano": il coro lo ha cantato tutto lo stadio, pensando a Paolo Maldini, ma la Curva ha calato la bandiera rossonera con nome e numero di Franco Baresi. Una contestazione del tifo organizzato che era già iniziato con uno striscione polemico, che faceva riferimento agli attriti avuti da Paolo con la Sud anni fa, in occasione del Capello bis: oggi, non era il momento più adatto forse per tirare fuori vecchie ruggini.
disgraceful wankers.
Minami
May 24 2009, 05:14 PM
QUOTE (agenth @ May 24 2009, 06:12 PM)

could you please translate that, don't know any Italian....
agenth
May 24 2009, 05:15 PM
QUOTE (Minami @ May 24 2009, 06:14 PM)

could you please translate that, don't know any Italian....
me neither. but it's what I told you about. Just wanted to backup my story.
han2503
May 24 2009, 05:18 PM
Regarding the goal difference vs head to head
It's on goal difference, especially if the official sites and lega calcio are putting us ahead of Juve. I wouldn't trust channel 4 or goal.com.
So next week, either we go play without a goalkeeper and get scored on a ridiculous ammount of times and Fiorentina better our goal difference or match it (this is when it will go to head to heads) and get third or we lose and still get 3rd because we have the better goal difference.
I can't see us winning at this point
Minami
May 24 2009, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (agenth @ May 24 2009, 06:15 PM)

me neither. but it's what I told you about. Just wanted to backup my story.
ok
thought that there would be the reason why they had that banner....
so there was no real send off or anything?
agenth
May 24 2009, 05:20 PM
QUOTE (Minami @ May 24 2009, 06:18 PM)

ok
thought that there would be the reason why they had that banner....
so there was no real send off or anything?
no there wasn't. plus Paolo didn't show up for the Rai interview... can't blame him
Minami
May 24 2009, 05:23 PM
what a sad day for him.....
Locke Lamora
May 24 2009, 05:28 PM
QUOTE (agenth @ May 24 2009, 06:02 PM)

you guys dont know yet?!?!?!?!?
They are so disgraceful, it pains me to retell.
Well they had a banner up saying "C'e solo un capitan --- #6 Baresi"
and they chanted some insults towards Maldini.
My stream cut off right after the whistle so gratefully i didnt have to witness this otherwise i'd have gone ballistic.
apparently he just hugged some players, Carlo, then went into the tunnel...
Why? What possible reason could they have for doing something like that?
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