AC Milan - Milanfan.com > Player Injury Thread

han2503

Mar 26 2012, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 26 2012, 09:32 PM)

Pato is out for the season?? where'd you hear that acid?

I think it's pretty obvious at this point that they will give him whatever time he needs to get this thing fixed. Practically an entire season out now is worth it if it means his injury troubles are solved for the long run

X-Offender

Mar 26 2012, 11:51 PM

Yeah, it's been everywhere for a few days now. Pato should stay out for the rest of the season.

acid911

Mar 27 2012, 04:40 AM

Exactly guys.

And ZD, do you really expect anything different as of right now?!

I'll be very, very surprised if he makes a comeback, even in the last few matches. Particularly if he gets a check up in the USA.

Jack Bauer

Mar 29 2012, 05:55 PM

Seems like Nesta, Robinho and Boateng are all fine and trained normally today. Seedorf and VB trained apart so don't know about them.

acid911

Mar 29 2012, 06:06 PM

Nice to hear, particularly about Nesta.

We'd need him like anything in the next 5 days!

il_diavolo_mtl

Mar 29 2012, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 29 2012, 12:55 PM)

Seems like Nesta, Robinho and Boateng are all fine and trained normally today. Seedorf and VB trained appart so don't know about them.

i think that's AC Milan for "took the day off"

X-Offender

Mar 29 2012, 06:13 PM

Well, Seedorf played a game beyond his current capabilities last night, so he deserves as much rest as possible. Van Bommel has back problems.

Zed.D

Mar 29 2012, 06:22 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Mar 27 2012, 08:10 AM)

Exactly guys.

And ZD, do you really expect anything different as of right now?!

I'll be very, very surprised if he makes a comeback, even in the last few matches. Particularly if he gets a check up in the USA.

I think technically he could play again but we all know he'd get injured after a few games.

I still doubt he'll be out for the rest of the season. if that was the case there'd be an official statement or something.

acid911

Mar 29 2012, 06:33 PM

Well normally, yes, but X-Off posted a few statements in the Catania thread.

Obviously, the official officials are probably waiting for the final results from the US to make a statement. But who knows what's going on behind the scenes, maybe too soon to tell, maybe they postponed an in-depth treatment till the end, to make a return now.

It would have been great if Pato or his agent (Ronaldo, right?) made a statement on this regard.

Zed.D

Mar 29 2012, 06:40 PM

I actually don't mind if they start the treatment right now and get him ready for the start of the next season. that's about 5 months' time.

acid911

Mar 29 2012, 06:44 PM

And fix the pitch, training regime, or the quacks at Milan Lab, while they are at it.

My heart sinks a few millimeters, every time I see Pirlo starting for Juventus. This was the same guy that got injured again within the hour he came back from a month long injury. And now he's playing like he's in a fairytale.

Zed.D

Mar 29 2012, 06:48 PM

Maybe I'm being too optimistic but the injury situation has been SO BAD the club simply can't ignore/cover it up anymore. I think they'll look into it in the off-season.

han2503

Mar 29 2012, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Mar 29 2012, 05:06 PM)

Nice to hear, particularly about Nesta.

We'd need him like anything in the next 5 days!

I'd rest him against Catania.

I'm mostly curious about VB at this point, does training seperately mean he's still injured? I just don't understand what our medical team actually do, before the Roma game VB was a possibility for that one, so shouldn't that mean that he's very close to recovering? Just stupifying

X-Offender

Mar 29 2012, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 29 2012, 09:13 PM)

I'm mostly curious about VB at this point, does training seperately mean he's still injured? I just don't understand what our medical team actually do, before the Roma game VB was a possibility for that one, so shouldn't that mean that he's very close to recovering? Just stupifying

Sportmediaset have him starting against Catania, along with Abate.

acid911

Mar 30 2012, 07:15 AM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 30 2012, 12:13 AM)

I'd rest him against Catania.

Exactly, no sense risking him.

Silva against Roma was another story.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 30 2012, 12:13 AM)

I'm mostly curious about VB at this point, does training seperately mean he's still injured? I just don't understand what our medical team actually do, before the Roma game VB was a possibility for that one, so shouldn't that mean that he's very close to recovering? Just stupifying

Bommel's wasn't a very serious injury, anyway.

It was just coupled with his suspension for the CL. He should be back against Catania like X-Off said, and hopefully back into the groove come the Barcelona away leg.

Zed.D

Mar 30 2012, 01:20 PM

What are these?

Pato to resume squad training ahead of Barcelona clash - report

AC Milan encouraged by Pato's initial test results (so Pato's problem was in fact his brain?

)

han2503

Mar 30 2012, 01:26 PM

I don't know, but there are a lot of conflicting reports in regards to Pato, some say his season's over, others saying that he'll be back for Barca.

Don't know what's going on tbh

William405

Mar 30 2012, 02:19 PM

The thing with the brain affecting injury has never been acreited scientifically,there were only tests done to groups of people.WOw!Milanlab is even ahead of science of today,truly amazing!

Jack Sparrow

Mar 30 2012, 02:23 PM

Remember once we had a theory about fixing teeth to fix spinal problems or something and it worked for someone? I think Beckham?

William405

Mar 30 2012, 02:39 PM

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Mar 30 2012, 04:23 PM)

Remember once we had a theory about fixing teeth to fix spinal problems or something and it worked for someone? I think Beckham?

I'd be satisfied if they can do the stuff normal medical teams do like chelsea.

acid911

Mar 30 2012, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (han2503 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:26 PM)

Don't know what's going on tbh

This.

And not sure, I want to know, too.

William405

Mar 30 2012, 02:57 PM

Well Allegri said pato will return on sunday,and that he'll be evaluated more closely.but he also said "he is in good if not excellent condition"

acid911

Mar 30 2012, 03:19 PM

Yeah, at this point I'm optimistically hopeful Pato will play.

Fingers crossed, he carves Barcelona up.

X-Offender

Mar 30 2012, 03:22 PM

Let's see how far he'll go this time. One week? Maybe two?

acid911

Mar 30 2012, 03:29 PM

Well considering that both inter and Milan have agreed to change the San Siro turf next season, chances are he will survive much better from next year onwards. Along with other players, of course.

A better playing surface goes a long way. I heard Galliani recently said that if Pato is fit, he'll partner Ibra for the Barcelona match.

For now, if he manages to put in a good performance (or scores a goal even), I won't mind one week.

Jack Bauer

Mar 30 2012, 03:32 PM

So right now we have just 4-5 injured. Happy times, we should treasure it

X-Offender

Mar 30 2012, 03:38 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 30 2012, 04:32 PM)

So right now we have just 4-5 injured. Happy times, we should treasure it

Thiago Silva, Pato, Inzaghi, Strasser, Cassano, Flamini, Nesta, Van Bommel, Seedorf.

Granted, Nesta and Seedorf are not exactly injured, but they couldn't play the Catania game even if they wanted to. When you're 36 and you play such an intensive game against Barcelona, you'll need 4-5 days just to recover yourself from the fatigue.

Jack Bauer

Mar 30 2012, 03:43 PM

Allegri said that Nesta and Seedorf are fine and he's just resting them. Cassano is just a matter of getting the green light this week and they are talking about Pato as he's fine.

X-Offender

Mar 30 2012, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 30 2012, 04:43 PM)

Allegri said that Nesta and Seedorf are fine and he's just resting them.

Read again what I wrote above about them.

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 30 2012, 04:43 PM)

Cassano is just a matter of getting the green light this week and they are talking about Pato as he's fine.

They're still unavailable, though.

Jack Bauer

Mar 30 2012, 03:46 PM

Unavailable for now but nothig serious. I'm talking about real injuries, of course.

So it's really only Silva, Flamini, Strasser, Pippo and VB with his back problems, though he might be ready for Barca already.

acid911

Mar 30 2012, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Mar 30 2012, 07:43 PM)

Allegri said that Nesta and Seedorf are fine and he's just resting them. Cassano is just a matter of getting the green light this week and they are talking about Pato as he's fine.

Well Pato should be fine, because it's been a fair while since he got injured.

The major reason his season was termed as finished due to his leaving for the US for a second opinion about his injuries, and maybe an operation. Long term stuff. If it wasn't because of that, he should have been available right about now. Which he is.

han2503

Mar 30 2012, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (acid911 @ Mar 30 2012, 02:59 PM)

Well Pato should be fine, because it's been a fair while since he got injured.

The major reason his season was termed as finished due to his leaving for the US for a second opinion about his injuries, and maybe an operation. Long term stuff. If it wasn't because of that, he should have been available right about now. Which he is.

I think that any treatments for Pato will be pushed back in the summer, thus him returning back into the team instead of being out for the rest of the season.

If he scored and gets injured during the game but that means we go through then I don't care at this point, we were going to lose him for the rest of the season anyway

acid911

Mar 30 2012, 04:36 PM

My thoughts exactly, save for one minor point. Olympics 2012.

Pato and Silva are in Brazil's squad, and I'd like him to make it if he can. I know many people won't care, but I do. If Pato has got to go under the knife, hopefully he recovers soon enough to make it for the big games.

Other than that, we've managed the season without him, and it seems that's what the management think in getting him ready for our biggest game this year in Barcelona.

Pato played and scored against them in a casual match, fingers crossed he can do so again in the crunchiest of situations next month.

X-Offender

Mar 30 2012, 04:48 PM

I don't think Pato will partecipate in the Olympics if he wants to get this injury crisis solved once and for all.

acid911

Mar 30 2012, 04:52 PM

We'll know soon enough I guess.

If it came to this that he had to choose one, I'd be perfectly fine with resolving the injury crises. Olympics are nothing compared to his club and NT career, which has been turned into a joke due to his constant break downs.

Having said that, I've always enjoyed seeing Brazil (and other teams) play at the Olympics.

Zed.D

Mar 30 2012, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (William405 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:27 PM)

Well Allegri said pato will return on sunday,and that he'll be evaluated more closely.but he also said "he is in good if not excellent condition"

Wow, great news.

William405

Mar 31 2012, 01:57 PM

Even greater news

QUOTE

Alexandre Pato and Milan’s medical staff “found the answers we were looking for” in America and the striker should be ready to face Barcelona.

The Brazilian has struggled all season with recurring muscular injuries and underwent a specialist consultation in Atlanta, Georgia.

“Pato is absolutely fine and I’d say we found the answers we were looking for,” said chief Milan medic Jean Pierre Meersseman.

“We return home with a clearer idea of the situation. Could Pato play on Tuesday against Barcelona? Absolutely, he is ready and will certainly be at Coach Massimiliano Allegri’s disposal.”

Pato has good history at the Camp Nou, having scored in the opening minute of their 2-2 group phase draw.

The second leg of the Champions League quarter-final is on Tuesday evening and the first leg ended 0-0.

X-Offender

Mar 31 2012, 02:48 PM

Great! If possible, I'd play him from the start. We need his pace against Barça's defense.

Fillipo Simone

Mar 31 2012, 03:00 PM

I wouldn't. Playing him in what surely is the match of the season, after a nasty injury and months of continuity lost, and - what is even more important - after his comeback is interpreted as a "final chance" before deciding to part ways - isn't a good option IMO.

il_diavolo_mtl

Mar 31 2012, 03:06 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 31 2012, 10:00 AM)

I wouldn't. Playing him in what surely is the match of the season, after a nasty injury and months of continuity lost, and - what is even more important - after his comeback is interpreted as a "final chance" before deciding to part ways - isn't a good option IMO.

I agree that the pressure will be extraordinary, but it is true of most of our team.

acid911

Mar 31 2012, 03:09 PM

But it has the potential for some good stuff, despite all those things.

If I were Pato, I'd be pretty pumped up.

Fillipo Simone

Mar 31 2012, 03:09 PM

QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 31 2012, 03:06 PM)

I agree that the pressure will be extraordinary, but it is true of most of our team.

Yes, but unlike other players, Pato would be simply pushed into the fire. It's maybe his last chance.

acid911

Mar 31 2012, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 31 2012, 07:09 PM)

Yes, but unlike other players, Pato would be simply pushed into the fire. It's maybe his last chance.

It's not like this is a first time for him, now is it?

Remember his brace against inter last season?

CHU-LIP

Mar 31 2012, 04:23 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 31 2012, 04:00 PM)

I wouldn't. Playing him in what surely is the match of the season, after a nasty injury and months of continuity lost, and - what is even more important - after his comeback is interpreted as a "final chance" before deciding to part ways - isn't a good option IMO.

I think the people at Milan are smart enough not to use a first game since being recovered from an injury as a so called final chance. If Pato plays, it would simply because Allegri would think he needs that kind of player. After this match, there will be other matches left for Pato. Unless he gets injured again, but against Barça we don't have to worry about that since it's at Camp Nou, and not San Siro.

And if anything, I don't think we should worry about what 'could' (which is guessing anyway) be a final chance to a player, but about the match itself and Milan whether going through or not to the next round. If Allegri likes our chances more with Pato than without, he should play him.

William405

Mar 31 2012, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 31 2012, 05:09 PM)

Yes, but unlike other players, Pato would be simply pushed into the fire. It's maybe his last chance.

I don't know,I think he'll still have those injury problems even if he is rested against Barca.If Barca is his last chance,then what a better way to prove his value and immense talent then in a game like that.Worst case scenario is he either gets injured,and gets subbed out.

X-Offender

Mar 31 2012, 05:53 PM

QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Mar 31 2012, 05:23 PM)

And if anything, I don't think we should worry about what 'could' (which is guessing anyway) be a final chance to a player, but about the match itself and Milan whether going through or not to the next round. If Allegri likes our chances more with Pato than without, he should play him.

+1

QUOTE (William405 @ Mar 31 2012, 05:25 PM)

I don't know,I think he'll still have those injury problems even if he is rested against Barca.If Barca is his last chance,then what a better way to prove his value and immense talent then in a game like that.Worst case scenario is he either gets injured,and gets subbed out.

+1

Zed.D

Mar 31 2012, 10:50 PM

Normally I would say Pato shouldn't play when he's been in and out of action for so long. but then I think about Robinho and his big misses, and El Sha and his vast inexperience, and I say screw it, play the Duck! he hasn't really disappointed against the Spanish duo before.

TriniKing_CE

Apr 1 2012, 01:07 AM

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Mar 31 2012, 12:53 PM)

+1

+1

+2 (x2)

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 31 2012, 05:50 PM)

Normally I would say Pato shouldn't play when he's been in and out of action for so long. but then I think about Robinho and his big misses, and El Sha and his vast inexperience, and I say screw it, play the Duck! he hasn't really disappointed against the Spanish duo before.

+1

acid911

Apr 1 2012, 02:28 AM

QUOTE (Zed.D @ Apr 1 2012, 02:50 AM)

he hasn't really disappointed against the Spanish duo before.

My point exactly.

Fillipo Simone

Apr 1 2012, 10:06 AM

Firstly, I think in a tactical constellation Robinho is more desirable in this match as starter then Pato. Secondly, I honestly don't think we should push Pato directly into the fire; he hasn't played a real match for weeks and suddenly he should start in what is called the match of the season. No, I'd keep him on the bench as a joker.