My brain is not as defective as you think...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LHFXloV61U8

wow. thats all i have to say. that was solid service, but he shook that defender off his back, controlled it perfectly, and the finish is jaw dropping. world class control and placement. he keeps this up well definitely get our money back for him..i miss him. i wish we still had the KaRoLi option..shame

im a broken record, so sorry about this before i even begin..but..we never showed him any faith, or gave him a chance to get comfortable..we brought him in from a different league expecting him to immediately replace sheva's production. we gave him no time to settle in, as he was always the first substitute off, and never given a consistent chance with the first team since we insisted on playing pippo and gila together for a while last season..he was never trusted in important games, so therefore when he did get chances, he finished like he should have..like someone dealing with a kidnapped sister, playing and living in a new league, trying to adapt to a new style, and overthinking and unnaturally taking his scoring opportunities as a result..he was shown no faith, played without the confidence of the club of fans..came on and hit a couple posts..and from then on i can count on my hand the number of appearances he made. all while dealing with the kidnapping of his sister. itll be ironic if he outscores our top scorer. just a little faith from management after one unsettleing, life-changing year for him, and the pass he received before curling that ball into the upper right V might as well have been from pirlo. he seemed completely confident, composed, and articulate with that finish. that was technically perfect the way he controlled the ball, touched it, faked, and unleashed a perfect curl. and thats not his first cracking goal for zaragoza in the past week..the options oli coulda given carlo this season could have been fun to watch considering all the tournaments we were in..he would have had time to settle in, and the pressue would have been less, coming of a champions league win..and in the end, the bottom line woulda been we woulda had two extremely motivated, talented brazilian strikers using eachother to prove their worth to everyone, with kaka helping them. u can see oli's determination and motivation on his face after he scores as his teamates greet him, and that was an oli that we never saw. we saw a timid, frustrated one. and if he flopped this year? without the family problems, and the more lenient learning curve..we dump him and continue on our quest to sign etoo or dinho, like we had planned on doing anyways..

..however, if barca continues to suck like this though, then perhaps a january purchase of one of their attackers may in fact be possible? who knows!

..sorry guys, promise this is the last post of its kind.

Well I never believed in him... maybe only at the beginning after the Lazio game but still... I don't think he has too much to offer to Milan. But this goal you posted above... wow, I never expected that from Oliveira! Not that it means anything...

A top club, especially when they have so few strikers, can not afford to have somone playing that poorly for a whole season. People mock Gila, but he still gets into double figures, Oli only scored a handfull of goals. A club fighting to make the latter stages of the Champions League really can't afford to hold on to somebody in the HOPE that they will improve. (Even Sheva bagged 14 goals in all competitions last season in his first year!).

i agree with you kurt, if a player is given a chance and fails, he doesn't deserve to stay at a top club..but what im arguing is that he wasnt even really given a solid chance. The fans, (including us) were dissappointed the moment he was even signed, because we already felt he wasnt sheva's successor. He wasn't even trusted from the start, and you can tell in the way Milan handled him. The management was in a rush to appease the fans who wanted Milan to ease their hurt feelings post-shevchenko. So we say ronaldinho! and we say drogba! and we want ronaldo! and we get oli..so basically, oliveira never had the time to settle in that a player deserves. basically if he didnt come in and pour in the goals, he was doomed, because everyone around milan were impatient, and looking for a quick fix for sheva. at least when sheva was signed to chelsea, he was an immediate first 11 candidate at the start of the season, played every game up front for the majority of the time he was healthy, and made many appearances..he scored 14 goals over 3 tournaments in which he saw major playing time..oli played in less than half of last seasons games for us..and his appearances were either as a sub, or if he started he was usually off after the hour mark..king henry sucked his first year at arsenal..but he was given time to adapt and repaid arsenals faith. first year in a new country is always tough..add an ongoing saga of not knowing if ur sister was alive or not..and being thrown into a situation where u must either hit the net every other game or be benched..is that a fair chance? id be interested to know if he was played as much as gila was last year, if he could have perhaps netted more than 12, which is why im interested to see if he outscores our top scorer this year..his numbers were awful last year indeed..but im pretty sure gonzalo higuain, who was signed for probably around the same amount, didnt do much his first year at madrid..the difference? faith. thats why hes still there..granted higuain is much younger, but if milan are gonna spend close to 15 mil on a player, they have got to give him more a chance than what rico was given..otherwise it seems like 15 mil was just thrown away..we all must admit oli's purchase was very rushed and i believe his sale was even more rushed..itd be great if he works his price tag up north and saves us some money..but it would also have been nice to go into this season with an on-form oli, seeing as he clearly has potential to be a dangerous striker having scored 22 goals in spain, and clearly shows it with his most recent finish..management was a bit frazzled about the striking core, and felt pressure for a quick fix to sheva's vacancy. So, we signed ronaldo! and hoped his hype would occupy people's imaginations...this is why im intruiged to see if he outscores our top scorer..

..all pointless now anyways as hell never be a milan player again, but theres nothing wrong with voicing my opinion against management. im almost positive hell score more than gilardino will this season..anyone disagree? itd be a good bet. i also bet that KaRoLi could have been really effective, and probably a lot of fun to watch.

I do agree with about 90% of what you said. Oli was never a Milan player in my opinion, he was signed for the sake of signing him, just so the management could say they had signed a striker.

P.S. Henry scored 17 goals in about 30 games in his first year!

i think we should have loaned him to a Serie A team but as you guys said maybe we arent getting him back

Oli is loaned so he might be coming back (in a couple of years when Inzaghi is going to retire as well as Ronaldo) if needed, if not, we will get paid a lot of money to sell him defenitly if he continues to play like he is playing in this moment.

I think he'll end up with 12-15 goals and Zaragoza will be buying him.

He won't return to Milan IMO. Loaning him to La liga is only in order to improve his value to sell him next summer. If we wanted him back better and ready, Milan would have loaned him to another Serie A club.

Zaragoza joy
Elsewhere, three second-half strikes gave Real Zaragoza victory, leaving Levante UD propping up the table and still searching for their first win. Sergio García (63) and two goals from Ricardo Oliveira punctured the visitors' resistance.


another brace from ricardo !!!!!

Heh heh. I think I already mentioned this, when Oli was coming in, a couple of guys who regularly watch La Liga had told me that this was a great buy, and this bloke was on his day better than Torres.

Guess it's only in Spain.

I'm convinced Oli was just for the benefit of Assis, and to sweeten up the R10 deal. But now that that's not happening, we unloaded him and flipped Assis the bird.

But for what it's worth, sell Pato, bring back Oli...oh wait Oli already belongs to us

It would be nice to have him though, especially if Pippo were to retire. Maybe loan him out next season to a Serie A club.

good for him ... i'm happy he's enjoying his football now days

I'd like to see him back Milan. he may succeed this time! although he's already lost his no7 to Pato.

He is no Serie A quality. He had his chance .. Maybe a Spanish team will buy him by the end of the season .. He just isn't Milan quality.

Oli and Borriello are thriving

I know Oli has talent, but I don't think we'll see it at Milan, Zaragoza will probably buy him at the end of the year.

Not as a first choice striker, of course. as a good backup for times like now when we're desperately in need of another striker. for times like now when Ronaldo is injured and Pippo and Gila cannot score important goals in the league anymore (Gila's two goals to Lazio only came after we were leading 1-3, so they were not that decisive imo). I mean something like Inter's Cruz or Real's Saviola. but I doubt he accepts bench role in Milan...

And Pato

Oli is far from Milan quality ... Even coming off the bench, Gila is 10x better than him IMO. Had he shown promise, Milan would have never offloaded him in the first place

Sorry to disagree, but I count Kaka's penalty as an assist from Gila.

And, wasn't the forum complaining that Milan's big issue was we don't shut our opponents off. Well Gila did just that.

Besides his contribution was visible besides the goals.

Gila imo was the best player on the pitch after Kaka. I'm not saying this is his turning point, my brotherhood would have to dissolve if it were, but he had a great match.

Yeah, after a billion poor ones.

I think some people on here are going to be in for one hell of a shock when Pato starts playing. He's not played a real competitive match.. EVER! Oli was a top striker in Spain and found it hard here, Pato has spent his career playing in a second rate Spanish league.

If Pato makes any noticable impact at all for the first season or two, I'd be very surprised. But come on, he's 18, I think people are believing the hype a little too much.

He was playing for Internacional... in Brazil's top division...


Although I do believe in the hype (mostly because it's been a while since we had a young unknown player in our hands -- that we're actually planning to use that is...) I won't be too disappointed and not too surprised if he didn't make an impact...

But he has more experience than Messi had when he broke into Barcelona's senior squad... and if he's half as good as Messi was back then... I'm gonna love him!

The Argentine and Brazilian leagues in my opinion are just a very pooor version of the Spanish league. In my view, he's not played one worthy game as of yet.

That doesn't mean anything. That is still much bigger than what Messi, Krkić and Dos Santos had experienced. And while Messi is a rare find, Pato is not less talented than the other too, judging from what I've seen! Pato could become very important for us next season!

I'm not expecting him to turn it on .. On the contrary, I'm expecting him to implement certain tactics and be fluid with the team's movements .. That is for now of course ..

About Oli .. There are players that can't handle the pressure of playing for a BIG club .. And they thrive in those smaller clubs .. And I believe Oli is that type of player; at Milan his movement was good (off the ball), but once he got the ball he ruins almost any chance of a dangerous play!!

How do I think Pato will turn out ? I think he will be a BIG surprise for us all .. He might even show something more than Gourcuff had shown. Still I have to wait and see how he handles himself in San Siro, that is the real test.

He will show more cause he will play more... and he will play more cause he's Brazilian!

Gourcuff needs to play more often. He could well be the player to replace Kaka once he leaves.

Yes, he secured our win, good! but remember we should score two or three goals first and then kill off the game. Gila's problem is that he usually fails to deliver the former.

Giving Milan a two or three goal lead is more important than expanding the lead to five! but still I'm happy for what he did in Lazio game.

who knows...maybe it won't be neccesery to aproch new striker, oliveira is playing great again in spain...he scored two goals today

i was really sorry for him not to succed at milan last year, but he had a though time...he was excellent striket before his injurie and kidnap came in...hoping for him to return to milan and show his talent...

I would even take him in January, we are in desperate need of choices up front.

I don't know ... I just don't rate him ..

In Spain he has a lot more space to express himself, but in Serie A. He chokes. And not just him, even the best of players find it difficult at times, i.e. Ricky or Clarence, also Gila ...


Though i have seen Oli, live in the Milan Lazio game (first game of last season) on his debut he came on and scored from a corner ... he showed promise, but back then Milan was given way to much spaces ... Once the teams started to close down on him .. He really was useless



I mean, we all saw Broochi at Fiorentina ... Almost 60% of this forum where of the opinion that he would do wonders at Milan, almost 30% thought he would do great coming off the bench to help out pirlo or Gennaro ... NOW, no one rates him

Yeah, whatever, bring back Oliveira

We could really use him... Pato is young, Ronaldo is injured, Gilardino ... is Gilardino, Inzaghi is old... and the list goes on

I saw him twice last year (v. Messina in November and v. Udinese in May). I was underwhelmed both times, yet he seems to thrive in Spain.

I know there were horrible personal circumstances for Oliveira last year but I wonder if this may be a case of a good player whose game is suited to one league and who just doesn't quite suit another.

i just don't think he has what it takes to succeed at a big big club...yes i think is a good player but thats all and good players aren't usually Milan players we have great players and like Tennie said he is perhaps more comfortable in Spain than Italy so if we get a good enough offer then i say take it

If selling Oli means signing Drogba, then I'm OK with it.

I don't think the Brazilian thing has anything to do with it. It's the fact that it's much harder to break into our midfield with guys like Rino, Pirlo, Kaka, seedorf, etc. Then it is to break into our attack, when we usually only have 2 strikers

Also the fact that Carlo doesn't like to stray from his ridged system, is a big obstacle for Yoann.


Yep. If Pippo and R9 keep getting injured with the frequancy they have been recently and Pato takes his time to adjust we will be in desperate need for another stiker.

You got it wrong, I was just referring to the fact that nowadays, all you need to play for Milan is to be Brazilian.

right, and Oli ?!

Exactly!

Got it must have misunderstood

i say leave him in spain, he scored wat 2 or 3 goals for us...and people make fun of gila, olivera started way more games than gila did and gila still scored more goals than him, even with his sister being kidnapped he still started more games then gila.
definitly not the answer to milans problems if anything he adds to them. sell him take the money and run and bring in a world class striker not a striker that needs classes.

^^
Right. Where have you been, August!?

I dont know at this rate I'll take anyone for serie A.

I think that he's just not good enough. We don't need another mediocre player.

^^ agreed

we dont need anymore patch up players. i onyl want players that are gonna help us in the near future and long term.

Olivera is surplus to requirements with the emergence of "Ale"

He can take Emerson with him and bring down the number of useless Brazilians by two

Dida and Ronaldo can join that list. Sorry, Ari.

Ronaldo? Why him?