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Rossoneri7
QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 26 2006, 02:53 AM)
I think deep in his heart, he felt he should've stayed ...
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Yeah .. I do think so too ..

QUOTE (dst @ Sep 26 2006, 02:57 AM)
Ohh ... poor boy !!  rolleyes.gif
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My sentiments exactly king.gif
misha
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 26 2006, 03:11 AM)
But the fact of the matter is he kissed that blue shirt ..
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After you score you never know what you gonna do with all emotions and stuff. Plus all all the presure with scoring the first goal for a new team. But that water under the bridge. We should have a new forum rule : "No talking about Sheva"
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 26 2006, 03:31 AM)
We should have a new forum rule : "No talking about Sheva"
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Wow .. suddenly u sound like G.W. Bush 'either with us or against us..' tongue.gif biggrin.gif

I think that it would be hard .. As I hope we share tolerance to eachother's point of viewzzz king.gif
misha
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 26 2006, 03:36 AM)
Wow .. suddenly u sound like G.W. Bush
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That's bad smile.gif

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Sep 26 2006, 03:36 AM)
As I hope we share tolerance to eachother's point of viewzzz king.gif
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We are trying biggrin.gif
dst
QUOTE (amancik @ Sep 26 2006, 03:11 AM)
you guys really disgust him, don't you?
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yes .... again: not for leaving but for lying !!!!!!!!!
Nova
QUOTE (mishale @ Sep 26 2006, 12:33 AM)
"Players" -
"Past or present AC Milan players"
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That traitor is an exception tongue.gif
misha
QUOTE (Nova @ Sep 26 2006, 05:15 AM)
That traitor is an exception  tongue.gif
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han2503
I see Sheva got another clean sheet last night. I wonder when he will actually score another goal.

And he just lost his title as best marksman in the CL. I'm glad he isn't carrying around that title while playing for Chelsea, which is something that he achieved with Milan, when he was actually called ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD
Nova
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 28 2006, 07:08 PM)
I see Sheva got another clean sheet last night. I wonder when he will actually score another goal.

And he just lost his title as best marksman in the CL. I'm glad he isn't carrying around that title while playing for Chelsea, which is something that he achieved with Milan, when he was actually called ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD
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And he left all that for Chelsea ... rolleyes.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Nova @ Sep 28 2006, 07:02 PM)
And he left all that for Chelsea ...  rolleyes.gif
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If the word "Chelsea" in your sentence means money, then yes wink.gif
misha
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Sheva: Kaka is my heir

Andriy Shevchenko believes that Brazilian starlet Kaka will become his successor at Milan. “He is an extraordinary player,” stated the Ukrainian.

The Rossoneri have failed to find a replacement for the striker after his summer move to Chelsea and are suffering a goal drought, resulting in three straight goalless draws, but Sheva is confident that things will change.

“There is a man who can become my heir and that is Kaka, he is an exceptional player who still has an enormous potential,” said the player to La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“You haven’t yet seen what he can really do, I am sure he will write an important page in the history of Milan.

“I have heard of a small disagreement between him and Coach Carlo Ancelotti, but there are always discussions in football teams. I don’t think that represents a problem just as long as there is mutual respect.

“Milan’s form? We all go through bad periods as I am not scoring either, but these things can happen. You just need to be patient and wait for things to improve.

“Ricardo Oliveira? He mustn’t feel he is constantly compared with me, when I started everyone reminded me of Marco Van Basten’s performances,” continued Shevchenko, who has just turned 30.

Sheva joined the Stamford Bridge outfit in a £31m move this summer, but so far has been overshadowed by Didier Drogba.

As a result there have been rumours suggesting he may consider a return to Italy, whispers that he immediately dismissed.

“I am glad about the choice I made, this is the life I chose for myself and my family, life goes beyond football,” he added.

“My move had nothing to do with the money and life for a football player is easier in London.

“It’s much more simple and there is not all the pressure there is in Italy, football is a show that finishes once the game is over.

“This is the truth behind my move. If someone doesn’t believe me it’s maybe because they are not used to saying the truth,” concluded Sheva.

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dst
Oh sh1t ... then he is leaving !! rolleyes.gif
LaPalma
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“It’s much more simple and there is not all the pressure there is in Italy, football is a show that finishes once the game is over.

Finally he reveals the truth laugh.gif
mishie
theres not the pressure in england because everyone knows that the league is awful!!
how many world class players have gone to the E.P.L in thier prime??
Jack Sparrow
Henry, Bergkamp, Ballack...actually u know I'm not so sure, they qualify...
mishie
henry was bought as a falied winger and wasn't half the player he is now,bergkamp possibly but left the merda after having a nightmare couple of seasons and ballack is 30 not what i call in his prime
LaPalma
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 4 2006, 09:07 PM)
Henry, Bergkamp, Ballack...actually u know I'm not so sure, they qualify...
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Do not forget Makelele, Lampard (yes fat Frank), Gerrard, Essien and Robben...and Fabregas...
mishie
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Oct 4 2006, 08:11 PM)
Do not forget Makelele, Lampard (yes fat Frank), Gerrard, Essien and Robben...and Fabregas...
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lampard 'gerrard are english so they don't count they aren't imports!
essien not sure he's world class yet, fabregas wasn't world class when he arrived he's another wenger miracle!! makele was he in his prime when he came i have to admit i don't know about him!
dst
well EPL is not exactly bad ... I mean yeah I don't really like how the football's played over there at the Big Isle but it's certainly not what I call bad ... at least all the stadiums are full !! rolleyes.gif

And yes Makelele was in his prime when he went over to Chelski (then Chelsea) ... I still can't get it why Madrid let him go, that decision still haunts him (maybe Diarra will cover up for it). Only Madrid could sell one of their best players for not being a jersey-seller !! rolleyes.gif puke.gif
kakaisluv
well i likes the combination of kaka and sheva when he was in milan ... but now im kinda dissapointed by sheva's performance .. hope hell get back to his old ways .. im sad he dint play for ukraine as well cuz of the fever
misha
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[B]Why is Shevchenko struggling to adapt to the Premiership?[/B]

Is Chelsea's new boy simply past his best, or are there other reasons for his early-season troubles?

At first, it sounds like one of those ubiquitous and annoying riddles that actually has no answer. Marlon King can do it but Andriy Shevchenko can't. Mark Atkins could do it but Juan Veron couldn't. Thierry Henry and Dennis Bergkamp couldn't do it for a couple of months but then did it brilliantly. Robert Pires took a season before he could do it. Shaun Goater did it from the off. Scandinavians generally do it much better than South Americans. What is it?

Hack life in the Premiership, that's what. Seeing a player as good as Shevchenko struggle so badly is startling and excruciating; while English football is clearly a genre unto itself, no genuinely world-class player should be unable to adapt. Yet the reality is that the purchase of foreign players is such an inexact science - even the master, Arsène Wenger, paid good money for the likes of Pascal Cygan, Kaba Diawara and Oleg Luzhny - that, to borrow from William Goldman's treatise on Hollywood, nobody knows anything: why Shevchenko is struggling, when his struggles will end, whether they will end, or why any world-class players would struggle in England. But here are six possible theories.

1. He just needs time

Arguably, it would be more of a surprise if Shevchenko didn't struggle initially. Most of the greatest foreign players have: Dennis Bergkamp did not score until his eighth game for Arsenal, Thierry Henry until his ninth, during which time both were ridiculed by the tabloids, while Eric Cantona was a bit-part player at Leeds for almost a year before moving across the Pennines to find his natural stage. Indeed, the irony of Shevchenko's woes being exacerbated by the blistering form of Didier Drogba, who for two seasons was apparently not cut out for the Premiership, will not be lost on Jose Mourinho. If the good will out, the great - and Shevchenko is certainly that - should have nothing to worry about.

He just needs time. Generally the chief strugglers have been the attackers. More universal footballers such as Claude Makelele, Gabriel Heinze, Sami Hyypia and Peter Schmeichel have found that their job descriptions have changed very little upon arrival in England. Attackers are different, and yet the perception remains that it is defences which need time to gel; that the back four is the great unrotatable of football. In reality it's the opposite: destruction is intrinsically easier than creation, and attacking players need just as much time as defenders to establish rhythms, connection, understanding.

2. He can't handle the muck and bullets

As Roy Keane said, in reference to Veron, the idea that world-class players cannot handle the "muck and bullets" of the Premiership is nonsense. The notion that English football is too fast, that foreigners don't like it up 'em, is a grotesque oversimplification borne of an almost colonial contempt. If it was as simple as that, England could pick the Watford team and rule the waves. The Premiership is certainly more robust than most leagues, and British beef is not to everyone's taste, but the success of pint-sized technicians like Juninho and Gianfranco Zola suggests it is a long way from being a determining factor. Besides, the likes of Paolo Montero were hardly treading on eggshells while trying to stop Shevchenko in his Serie A days.

3. It's all in his head

Many of the Premiership's greatest flops - Veron, Diego Forlan, Serhiy Rebrov, Albert Luque - have been meek, diffident characters; fairweather friends who squeeze tight to the smooth and recoil at the rough. The same can be said of José Antonio Reyes: he was not so much kicked out of football by the Neville brothers as kicked out of playing his normal game. As his ankles were bitten, so his toes stopped twinkling. Contrast that with Cristiano Ronaldo, who has the mental courage and self-belief to keep knocking at the door no matter how many times he is told where to go.

Reyes and Veron, like Ian Rush when he went to Italy, also exhibited classic symptoms of homesickness. Sometimes, playing football abroad really is like being in a foreign country. Or a player might suffer from personal problems - things which do not relate directly to the job but which impinge significantly upon it. Sometimes, it really can be something as ostensibly straightforward as that: sometimes, for no apparent reason, you get bad vibes which never quite go away. But the fact that Shevchenko, and his wife Kristen Pazik, has occupied as many column inches in the gossip sections of the tabloids as the sports pages suggests that life in London suits him just fine.

4. He is being misused tactically

There is significant precedent here: Veron was signed on a whim in 2001 by an excitable manager who suddenly had money to burn (Ferguson's principal target that summer was Patrick Vieira, an entirely different type of central midfielder) and many feel his failure was down to mismanagement. Hindsight shows he was a poor signing in the first place - United's orchestral midfield had room for only one conductor, the peerless Keane - and then, upon realizing that problem, Ferguson tried to get round it by shunting Veron onto the right of midfield.

In many senses, Veron was a Championship Manager purchase, bought for who he was and what he represented rather than after a conclusive analysis of how he might fit into the team. The same applies to Luque, Rebrov and Kleberson, who were all bought without a specific role in mind. Contrast that with Wenger, who watches players dozens and dozens of times to appraise exactly how they will fit into his team.

There are concerns that Shevchenko, like Veron, is in the wrong place at the right time; that he was bought on status, this time by an excitable owner with money to burn. At Milan he was drip-fed chances by a phalanx of seductively brilliant midfield craftsmen: Andrea Pirlo, Kaka, Clarence Seedorf, Rui Costa. At Chelsea he is more likely to be feeding off long passes from Frank Lampard and Michael Ballack or scavenging for knockdowns from Didier Drogba. Worse still, he is sometimes being used as the nominal wide-right in a 4-3-3 formation, as grotesque a misuse of a natural predator since Johan Cruyff tried to convert Gary Lineker into a total footballer by dumping him on the right wing at Barcelona in 1988.

5. He's out of form

Simple as that. Like Wayne Rooney, Shevchenko hasn't quite recovered from a pre-World Cup injury and his rust is compounding the inevitable teething problems of moving to a new culture, a new club and a new style of play. This is a man who scored 127 goals in 207 games in Serie A, the most sophisticated defensive institution in world football. Once he finds his form and rhythm, the Premiership should be easy pickings.

6. He's past it

Don't be silly.


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misha
SHEVCHENKO OFFERED HELPING HAND

AC Milan psychologist Bruno de Michelis claims he has spoken with struggling striker Andriy Shevchenko as he tries to make an impact in the Barclays Premiership with Chelsea.

The Ukraine forward has scored just once for the Blues since the Community Shield, in the 2-1 defeat to Middlesbrough back in August, and so far has looked a shadow of the player who prompted big-spending Chelsea to smash their transfer record when completing a £30million-plus deal in the summer.

De Michelis, described as the 'scientific co-ordinator' of the Milan Lab, insists he is happy to help the striker find his feet in his new environment and told The Sun: "I saw him less than two weeks ago. I said I could provide a programme to help him if it is possible.

"He told me 'that would be great'. A champion like Andriy can only be destroyed, not created as he was already a great player before he came to England."

De Michelis believes the change of environment is a key reason behind Shevchenko's slow start.

"How many changes has he faced with the move to London? He needs time and support, otherwise a player becomes introverted, even scared.

"If they start to work with fear inside, it becomes a disaster."

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dst
in The Sun !? rolleyes.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 14 2006, 02:07 PM)
in The Sun !?  rolleyes.gif
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Found it on goal.com too .. So I guess he cant go f@ck himself after all unsure.gif
golfaspeed
Wow...i have lost respect for this forum...sheva IS a past ACMilan player and this topic should be in the players forum. Two thumbs down to the loser that moved this topic. The club still respects and recognizes what sheva has done for milan. Even when hes struggling the club offers their support. That shows how much "CLASS" milan has. Too bad you cant say the same for the posers in this forum tho.
han2503
QUOTE (golfaspeed @ Oct 20 2006, 01:14 AM)
Wow...i have lost respect for this forum...sheva IS a past ACMilan player and this topic should be in the players forum.  Two thumbs down to the loser that moved this topic.  The club still respects and recognizes what sheva has done for milan.  Even when hes struggling the club offers their support.  That shows how much "CLASS" milan has.  Too bad you cant say the same for the posers in this forum tho.
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I don't want to get into another debate about this but this is all I have to say about your post.

Sheva didn't show any respect towards his fans when he was leaving to "learn English" rolleyes.gif, so why should we be the ones to show respect when he did nothing of this sort?
Rossoneri7
Guys, its just a forum, whether u post it here or there, it doesn't matter ..

It's an internet site for God's sake, not a cafe or bar !!

Then respect, I don't see how any player would give a rat's a$$ if this thread was here or there tongue.gif
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 20 2006, 04:23 PM)
Then respect ...
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The players ofcourse would not give a damn but so what ?? You show respect cause you feel like it ... will Milan ever love you back ?? smile.gif


anyway .
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 20 2006, 04:30 PM)
The players ofcourse would not give a damn but so what ??  You show respect cause you feel like it ... will Milan ever love you back ??  smile.gif
anyway .
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Exactly biggrin.gif

ohh and about Milan loving me back .. Every night biggrin.gif ... See my girl were's my Sheva shirt for PJs devil.gif
dst
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Rossoneri7
QUOTE (dst @ Oct 20 2006, 04:56 PM)
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She's a die hard Milan fan too, that posts using my account sometimes tongue.gif
Portman
QUOTE (golfaspeed @ Oct 20 2006, 02:14 AM)
Wow...i have lost respect for this forum...sheva IS a past ACMilan player and this topic should be in the players forum.  Two thumbs down to the loser that moved this topic.  The club still respects and recognizes what sheva has done for milan.  Even when hes struggling the club offers their support.  That shows how much "CLASS" milan has.  Too bad you cant say the same for the posers in this forum tho.
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I think I've said that already. But for some reason someone decided to put it in the Football Forum.
dst
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 20 2006, 05:05 PM)
She's a die hard Milan fan too, that posts using my account sometimes tongue.gif
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oh lucky you !! nice ! king.gif
Jack Sparrow
So everytime you post we gotta ask if it's Mr or Ms R7 who's posting??!! tongue.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 21 2006, 01:14 AM)
So everytime you post we gotta ask if it's Mr or Ms R7 who's posting??!! tongue.gif
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Well she doesnt post .. smile.gif .. I hope she doesnt huh.gif ..

Or else she's a real hot head at times biggrin.gif
Jack Sparrow
Ahhh...so every time we see u post something angry it's ur better(bitter) half that's posting...hot headedness and all. smile.gif
KillerMax


That's just sad...
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 22 2006, 12:09 AM)
That's just sad...
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How so ?!
han2503
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 21 2006, 09:09 PM)


That's just sad...
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At least it's not as said as kissing a shirt you have only worn twice in your life to try and cheaply win over the fans.

Let's see if he manages to continue scoring though. Because I really didn't see anything special in his performance today, it was basically the same as the other ones, he just had Campbell to help him put the ball in the net today
misha
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 21 2006, 11:27 PM)
At least it's not as said as kissing a shirt you have only worn twice in your life to try and cheaply win over the fans.

Let's see if he manages to continue scoring though. Because I really didn't see anything special in his performance today, it was basically the same as the other ones, he just had Campbell to help him put the ball in the net today
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It was better than the others. You just looking for bad things in it!!!
han2503
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 21 2006, 09:38 PM)
It was better than the others. You just looking for bad things in it!!!
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I meant it in a general way, sure he had good spells here and there as I've pointed out in my previos posts and he did improve, but he is still doing his diappearing act for most of the game.
KillerMax
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 21 2006, 03:21 PM)
How so ?!
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Sheva, the once best striker in the world, needing Lampard to point his finger at him and shout to the fans, "Sheva is a good player after all..."

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pathetic what he did to himself... rolleyes.gif
misha
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 21 2006, 11:53 PM)
I meant it in a general way, sure he had good spells here and there as I've pointed out in my previos posts and he did improve, but he is still doing his diappearing act for most of the game.
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He was very active during most of the time he played IMO
han2503
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 21 2006, 10:03 PM)
He was very active during most of the time he played IMO
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I didn't really see that from him, Robben was pretty much running the show in the first half from the left (it was clear how vulnerable they where on that side) Sheva only came into the mix a bit when he switched to the left, and these where only short spells from him.
misha
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 21 2006, 11:58 PM)
Sheva, the once best striker in the world, needing Lampard to point his finger at him and shout to the fans, "Sheva is a good player after all..."
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He was just supportive because of the tough times he is having over there but everybody seeing whatever they want to see.
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 21 2006, 11:58 PM)
pathetic what he did to himself... rolleyes.gif
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Time will tell!!!
KillerMax
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 21 2006, 04:10 PM)
He was just supportive because of the tough times he is having over there but everybody seeing whatever they want to see.

Time will tell!!!
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Seems like you're happy that he went to Chelsea...
han2503
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 21 2006, 10:17 PM)
Seems like you're happy that he went to Chelsea...
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He's just a big Sheva supporter, I'm pretty sure he didn't want him to go to Chelsea
misha
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 22 2006, 12:09 AM)
I didn't really see that from him, Robben was pretty much running the show in the first half from the left (it was clear how vulnerable they where on that side) Sheva only came into the mix a bit when he switched to the left, and these where only short spells from him.
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Robben was the best player in that game but Sheva did what was required of supporting striker like helping to the defence a bit and holding a ball when was needed. He dd good movement during the game but too bad that his teammates can be selfish sometimes. He created great chance for Ballack and could have scored at least two more.
misha
QUOTE (pKillerMax @ Oct 22 2006, 12:17 AM)
Seems like you're happy that he went to Chelsea...
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WTF?

I was thrilled. It was the biggest dream of my life. When he was playing for Milan I prayed hard every night that somehow he will end up playing for that beautiful blue shirt.
han2503
QUOTE (mishale @ Oct 21 2006, 10:19 PM)
Robben was the best player in that game but Sheva did what was required of supporting striker like helping to the defence a bit and holding a ball when was needed. He dd good movement during the game but too bad that his teammates can be selfish sometimes. He created great chance for Ballack and could have scored at least two more.
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I think we where seeing a different game then, because I really didn't see him doing a good job at holding the ball up and going down to defend either. You are right about him giving a great assist to Ballack (which he missed badly) and that great shot he had saved in the first half, those where the only glimpses that I'd seen of only half of his potential.

And yes his team mates can be selfish most of the time (Essien and Lampard in particula aree the 2 that I can't stand the most, not to mention Robben missing 3 1 on 1s when he could have easily slipped the ball to either Sheva or Drogba who where free on all occasions), but he knew what he was getting himself into when he went there, so I don't see why this should be an excuse for him
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