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Portman
Oh my... Iker Cantona!
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 1 2008, 01:33 PM) *
Erm Morratti is the exception here, not because they are able to spend (Juve and Milan can spend BIG too), but because they are so loathsome, considering the situation.

Ok forget about Inter, that's why I said "And I'm not talking about just Inter" hence mentioning Fiorentina who don't have the financial backing or the sponsership money that we do managed a far better mercato then we have, ie in terms of money coming in and money going out.

We practically had to grovel to get R10 on the cheap from Barca it's not something that I like to see Milan doing, Galliani talkingto the press constantly about not having any money is turining us into a luaghing stock around Europe. You wouldn't believe all the stick I hear about Milan either at work, school or forums. Galliani does not need to air Milan's dirty laundry out he's making Milan look like a mid table team with his comments to the media

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Aug 1 2008, 10:28 PM) *
Han, are you my twin in disguise? smile.gif I cannot believe how I can agree with someone so much cool.gif

biggrin.gif Who knows???

QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Aug 1 2008, 10:49 PM) *
Thing is Dida is on £4m a season(£80,000 a week) and no team can continue to pay that much for a player who doesn't earn the club any money. players who score goals are going to be the ones who sell shirts etc, but 'keepers aren't hence why forwards earn more than 'keepers. You say that no 'keeper is perfect but IMO Buffon is 99% perfect. Buffon would probably get us another 10 points per season with his saves which could mean the difference between first and second place. fact of the matter is that Gigi is the best 'kepper around IMO.



QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Aug 1 2008, 10:56 PM) *
Is the flame old enough for Milan? and, more importantly, can we get it cheap? laugh.gif

Good old Galliani biggrin.gif

MizNelson
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 2 2008, 05:58 AM) *
it's not something that I like to see Milan doing, Galliani talkingto the press constantly about not having any money is turining us into a luaghing stock around Europe.

His complaining about empty pockets seems somewhat hollow, considering we (allegedly) picked up three new players.
kurtsimonw
I don't understand Galliani, he seems to come out and lie every day. We all know he's a ****, but what does he actually gain from doing this? He is just making himself a reputation as an absoloute laughing stock, I've even seen English papers and SSN start picking up on how much of an idiot he is. He's making Milan look stupid and classless. Two things this club are not.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 2 2008, 03:58 PM) *
Ok forget about Inter, that's why I said "And I'm not talking about just Inter" hence mentioning Fiorentina who don't have the financial backing or the sponsership money that we do managed a far better mercato then we have, ie in terms of money coming in and money going out.

We practically had to grovel to get R10 on the cheap from Barca it's not something that I like to see Milan doing, Galliani talkingto the press constantly about not having any money is turining us into a luaghing stock around Europe. You wouldn't believe all the stick I hear about Milan either at work, school or forums. Galliani does not need to air Milan's dirty laundry out he's making Milan look like a mid table team with his comments to the media


It is called reality han ... You live close to Italy .. And I am sure you are familiar with the situation they are in.

Being a laughing stock ?! Why ? Milan is the most title winning club in the World !!

Milan is not a midtable club ... it is just that the president of Milan, so happens to be Italy's PM and as such, he needs to keep a low profile, ESPECIALLY with the situation that Italy is in.


Fiorentina are not as rich as you make them seem. And their summer spending is not really something to brag about, but for their standards it is .. BUT they needed to strengthen their squad, because of the CL.


well han, I am sorry you get BS from ppl ... For me, ppl know what Milan is in footballing terms as Milan has been on top of Europe for the past 5 years, making the final every other year!! they don't question these details ... Milan has given you so many reasons to be proud as a fan, I am sorry that you choose these minor details that are unfootball related to put u down. This is by far the club on top of the footballing pyramid!




kurtsimonw
Milan is the most title winning club in the World !!

^^ Give it up will ya. If Espanyol were to win the InterToto Cup every year they'd eventually have that tag. And it's stupid, it doesn't even count league titles! The most important thing in football! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 2 2008, 09:19 PM) *
Milan is the most title winning club in the World !!

^^ Give it up will ya. If Espanyol were to win the InterToto Cup every year they'd eventually have that tag. And it's stupid, it doesn't even count league titles! The most important thing in football! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif



Really .. Thats so funny, cuz last I checked Espanyol never got to 11 CL finals.

GrinReaper
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 2 2008, 11:43 PM) *
Being a laughing stock ?! Why ? Milan is the most title winning club in the World !!

Yes, exactly. And it's not being a laughing stock. It's just because the supporters of the best club always get frowned upon fans who support other clubs because they're jealous.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 2 2008, 11:43 PM) *
Fiorentina are not as rich as you make them seem. And their summer spending is not really something to brag about, but for their standards it is .. BUT they needed to strengthen their squad, because of the CL.

And also seeing that this year might be their only chance at CL, they're bound to have a real go at it. It won't be good if they aren't able to progress to the last 16 on their only chance they got.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 2 2008, 11:43 PM) *
well han, I am sorry you get BS from ppl ... For me, ppl know what Milan is in footballing terms as Milan has been on top of Europe for the past 5 years, making the final every other year!! they don't question these details ... Milan has given you so many reasons to be proud as a fan, I am sorry that you choose these minor details that are unfootball related to put u down. This is by far the club on top of the footballing pyramid!

So very true. If you get flak, you give it back. That is why football's the best sport on earth. All the love between the fans of all the various clubs is sooo.... erm.... passionate wub.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 2 2008, 06:13 PM) *
It is called reality han ... You live close to Italy .. And I am sure you are familiar with the situation they are in.

Being a laughing stock ?! Why ? Milan is the most title winning club in the World !!

Milan is not a midtable club ... it is just that the president of Milan, so happens to be Italy's PM and as such, he needs to keep a low profile, ESPECIALLY with the situation that Italy is in.


Fiorentina are not as rich as you make them seem. And their summer spending is not really something to brag about, but for their standards it is .. BUT they needed to strengthen their squad, because of the CL.


well han, I am sorry you get BS from ppl ... For me, ppl know what Milan is in footballing terms as Milan has been on top of Europe for the past 5 years, making the final every other year!! they don't question these details ... Milan has given you so many reasons to be proud as a fan, I am sorry that you choose these minor details that are unfootball related to put u down. This is by far the club on top of the footballing pyramid!

Even so, Galliani does not need to constantly air out the details of our finances and constantly begging this club and that club to give away their players for free rolleyes.gif I don't know what kind of world he's living in but no club in their right minds would go for it.

Face it, it gives Milan a bad name with his constant declerations of poverty, as kurt said, being the most titled club has no standing in this, in fact I find Galliani's constant need to point it out more then tasteless.

And yes Milan have become something of a laughing stock and that is mainly down to Galliani, I'm not just talking about people here in Malta just look around some forums on the net and you can see exactly what I'm talking about.

You can't really compare how we live here in Malta to what is happening in Italy and your theory about Italy's situation being related to Milan's unwillingness to buy is still not proven to be a solid point since whenever Milan make a big purchase no matter the money, Silvio always does well on the political front. A lot of Italians even go as far as saying that R10 is nothing but a political stunt on the part of Silvio.

I would never think any less of Milan just because people talk BS about the club but the fact that Galliani's constant talk in the media Milan are suffering a hit in the public eye. I don't know what the hell our marketing department are doing but I'm sure that if they were smart the would tell Galliani to shut up because Milan as a brand will suffer.

As for Fiorentina, you said it yourself, they are not a club that has the funds to make big money purchases yet they had a mercato that was better then ours, they spent close to €35m on players and they haven't said that their mercato is even finished, us on the other hand have the strong finacial backing and the more lucrative sponsorships and can;t even match them in terms of money spending

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 2 2008, 06:19 PM) *
Milan is the most title winning club in the World !!

^^ Give it up will ya. If Espanyol were to win the InterToto Cup every year they'd eventually have that tag. And it's stupid, it doesn't even count league titles! The most important thing in football! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

EXACTLY
Rossoneri7
Well, then that is your opinion.
han2503
QUOTE (GrinReaper @ Aug 2 2008, 06:34 PM) *
So very true. If you get flak, you give it back. That is why football's the best sport on earth. All the love between the fans of all the various clubs is sooo.... erm.... passionate wub.gif

Usually the slack you get for supporting a team is "oh your team played a terrible game blah blah" But it's not common for people constantly taking jibes at Milan and take in reference Galliani's constant talk of poverty.

In Malta t people car more about the football then anything else but if you look at some forums on the net you can see what I'm talking about and after Galliani's constant comments in the media you will understand why people are talking like this
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 2 2008, 06:47 PM) *
Well, then that is your opinion.

Mine and a lot of other people's who feel aggrieved by Galliani's constant talking to the mediea about Milan's financial situation. If money is tight, fine I respect that, but shut up about it already rolleyes.gif
GrinReaper
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 3 2008, 12:23 AM) *
Mine and a lot of other people's who feel aggrieved by Galliani's constant talking to the mediea about Milan's financial situation. If money is tight, fine I respect that, but shut up about it already rolleyes.gif

Well, that's true that Galliani shouldn't have said that Milan are in a dire financial situation. But he said it to shut the Milan fans who were demanding more and more big name transfers. And Galliani was probably at a loss on how to tell them that it was not possible. So he decided to give it straight. Bad move, I agree, but there wasn't a tactful way of handling the situation. And all the extra money must have been siphoned off for Berlusconi's re-election campaign, I guess mad.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 2 2008, 07:33 PM) *
Really .. Thats so funny, cuz last I checked Espanyol never got to 11 CL finals.

That's irrelevant. Your theory is based on number of wins, rather than how important the trophy is, so in your words it goes like this: 11 InterToto Cup wins are more valuable than 10 Champions League wins.
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (GrinReaper @ Aug 2 2008, 08:01 PM) *
Well, that's true that Galliani shouldn't have said that Milan are in a dire financial situation. But he said it to shut the Milan fans who were demanding more and more big name transfers. And Galliani was probably at a loss on how to tell them that it was not possible. So he decided to give it straight. Bad move, I agree, but there wasn't a tactful way of handling the situation. And all the extra money must have been siphoned off for Berlusconi's re-election campaign, I guess mad.gif


I don't think the fans wanted more and more big name transfers as such, it was more because we haven't really strengthened the team with Milan quality players for the past couple of years. Also, Galliani has stated on numerous occasions how poor we are while offering the likes of Dida £4m per year contracts for sitting on the bench! dry.gif
I_Rossoneri
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 2 2008, 12:25 AM) *
Wow, six posts in a row. dry.gif You've outdone yourself, I_Rossoneri.


Why thankyou very much smoke.gif Perhaps I should go for 7 next, eh? If it means complaining about dodo it shouldn't be too hard! smile.gif
Habitant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 2 2008, 08:40 PM) *
That's irrelevant. Your theory is based on number of wins, rather than how important the trophy is, so in your words it goes like this: 11 InterToto Cup wins are more valuable than 10 Champions League wins.

dont worry i'm sure he actually understands the situation, it's just he'd rather use galliani logic.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (I_Rossoneri @ Aug 3 2008, 01:59 AM) *
I don't think the fans wanted more and more big name transfers as such, it was more because we haven't really strengthened the team with Milan quality players for the past couple of years. Also, Galliani has stated on numerous occasions how poor we are while offering the likes of Dida £4m per year contracts for sitting on the bench! dry.gif


Might just be me, but now there's a contradiction here. Either you find talents like Pato and Kaka every single season (rolleyes.gif) or you splurge. There is no in-between.




QUOTE (Habitant @ Aug 3 2008, 04:03 AM) *
dont worry i'm sure he actually understands the situation, it's just he'd rather use galliani logic.


Galliani logic is a decision. He does not unlike the merda or Chelsea or Viola, want to show the world

AC Milan: 150 million debt. When the president of his club has f@cking made a promise to Italy that he'll cut down on debts.

You can argue, all the clubs are like that, etc etc, but hey all you guys are doing is shooting the messenger. You think if Silvio puts out Abramovich kind of money to Galliani, he's gonna say no I won't spend your money?

But on the other hand if Silvio says, listen no matter what, I don't want a deficit next season, he has to do the best he can. It's not an easy job, to finish on top and spend so little money. And I would think Galliani deserves a bit more respect for having done that for so long.

Things have changed, Silvio's priorities have changed. When he took over,Silvio was like Roman. Technically even Moratti is kinda in his first phase in the club(considering how long Silvio has been around). In their first phase, all new owners spend lots, try to make a reputation and win the fans over. Gradually it's gonna drop off, this high spending from clubs. It's just not sustaining. Do you realise how much shite Man U will be in, if they don't finish constantly in the QFs of the CL?

I understand every one wants us to win titles big, but in terms of pure economics, you're saying throw 80 million(transfer fees+ yearly wages) to win trophies worth 50. No good...

The Viola? Yes, they're having a good mercato, they're also having a risky mercato. If they had a coach other than Prandelli, I'd be worried about their future. I can only hope he's planned it out well. Remember they haven't sold a lot, and Prandelli like Spalletti still has a bit to learn in the CL stage. If this goes badly, they could be in the same position they were in some time back.Forced to sell stars, to keep afloat.

It's like a pseudo-promotion. Every lower league team, say in the EPL makes huge purchase, because they want to stay up. If they don't, they're screwed since they can't keep fighting, if they do and they disappoint, they're still screwed. But fortunately the EPL gives parachute payments. The CL does not.

Soon, Prandelli will have to choose, does he go for the CL and the biggest prize he can get, or stick to the scudetto, so he can have CL next season.

Don't think for one moment, that Viola have it easy. Oh, and before you say they're making a good effort, yeah I can butt my head against a brick wall all day, and pat myself on the back for effort. End of the day, all I have is a bloody painful head, and a wall in front of me.






acid911
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 4 2008, 11:59 AM) *
Do you realise how much shite Man U will be in, if they don't finish constantly in the QFs of the CL?

I'd actually like that, for a change. dry.gif Other than that an excellent post! Agree with almost all of it.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 4 2008, 07:59 AM) *
Galliani logic is a decision. He does not unlike the merda or Chelsea or Viola, want to show the world

He meant in regards to why we're the "Most winning team in the World" or whatever the slogan is. That logic is silly and reminds me of a 5 year old "My team is better than yours, we have more trophies" kind of attitude.. even ifalot of the trophies have less worth than other teams.
Habitant
^^^ ya i was talking about that.
Rossoneri7
Great post Captin, as always king.gif

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 4 2008, 10:49 PM) *
He meant in regards to why we're the "Most winning team in the World" or whatever the slogan is. That logic is silly and reminds me of a 5 year old "My team is better than yours, we have more trophies" kind of attitude.. even ifalot of the trophies have less worth than other teams.


When I am an onlooker, yeah I would agree with you .. An arrogant slogan like that is something a 5 yr old could conjure up ... But when you see that this legacy has been built by a president who wants Milan to be known world-wide, by all and to be the #1 ... You can see the moral behind such a slogan, it is just an affirmation that Berlusconi had delivered his promise.

For us fans, we want to purchase tickets and TV subscriptions to watch Milan, we want to watch that team that was notorious in winning .. And the fact that Milan hasn't been reaching its capabilities "as a club", makes us feel cold when reading that slogan and in a way undervalue it cuz it does not represent the current team that we have now.





acid911
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 5 2008, 02:48 AM) *
When I am an onlooker, yeah I would agree with you .. An arrogant slogan like that is something a 5 yr old could conjure up ... But when you see that this legacy has been built by a president who wants Milan to be known world-wide, by all and to be the #1 ... You can see the moral behind such a slogan, it is just an affirmation that Berlusconi had delivered his promise.

For us fans, we want to purchase tickets and TV subscriptions to watch Milan, we want to watch that team that was notorious in winning .. And the fact that Milan hasn't been reaching its capabilities "as a club", makes us feel cold when reading that slogan and in a way undervalue it cuz it does not represent the current team that we have now.

Truth.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 5 2008, 01:14 AM) *
Truth.


laugh.gif .. I need some of that tongue.gif
GrinReaper
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 5 2008, 04:18 AM) *
When I am an onlooker, yeah I would agree with you .. An arrogant slogan like that is something a 5 yr old could conjure up ... But when you see that this legacy has been built by a president who wants Milan to be known world-wide, by all and to be the #1 ... You can see the moral behind such a slogan, it is just an affirmation that Berlusconi had delivered his promise.

For us fans, we want to purchase tickets and TV subscriptions to watch Milan, we want to watch that team that was notorious in winning .. And the fact that Milan hasn't been reaching its capabilities "as a club", makes us feel cold when reading that slogan and in a way undervalue it cuz it does not represent the current team that we have now.

sniff *wipes tears from eyes* goodheart.gif
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 4 2008, 03:48 PM) *
Great post Captin, as always king.gif



When I am an onlooker, yeah I would agree with you .. An arrogant slogan like that is something a 5 yr old could conjure up ... But when you see that this legacy has been built by a president who wants Milan to be known world-wide, by all and to be the #1 ... You can see the moral behind such a slogan, it is just an affirmation that Berlusconi had delivered his promise.

For us fans, we want to purchase tickets and TV subscriptions to watch Milan, we want to watch that team that was notorious in winning .. And the fact that Milan hasn't been reaching its capabilities "as a club", makes us feel cold when reading that slogan and in a way undervalue it cuz it does not represent the current team that we have now.


perfection. R7, maldini bless you.
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