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Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 8 2015, 11:03 AM) *
Once again, you're too quick to judge players.


Oddly enough Pippo says that about you tongue.gif
William405
Okay, tell us you wouldn't like seeing Ely anyway near the pitch..then complain later how we're not trying to develop any talent. You can't have it both ways really! This is the sacrifice you make while playing with inexperienced players. And honestly? Our so called experienced players have made much worse mistakes!

So, yes, I wouldn't maybe advocate throwing Ely into the fire, but "not seeing him anywhere near the pitch" is an overstatement. He's definitely a TALENT in my opinion, and one that should be developed!

Danny
QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 8 2015, 01:17 PM) *
Okay, tell us you wouldn't like seeing Ely anyway near the pitch..then complain later how we're not trying to develop any talent.


You must show me where on earth I said this.

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You can't have it both ways really! This is the sacrifice you make while playing with inexperienced players. And honestly? Our so called experienced players have made much worse mistakes!

So, yes, I wouldn't maybe advocate throwing Ely into the fire, but "not seeing him anywhere near the pitch" is an overstatement. He's definitely a TALENT in my opinion, and one that should be developed!


He might have ability but he's far too green and him being on the pitch in this ramshackle mess with a partner like Romag who can't lead him is only going to hurt him.

As for that ability, I can't say I've seen any of it, either in pre-season or competitive.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 8 2015, 03:17 PM) *
Okay, tell us you wouldn't like seeing Ely anyway near the pitch..then complain later how we're not trying to develop any talent. You can't have it both ways really! This is the sacrifice you make while playing with inexperienced players. And honestly? Our so called experienced players have made much worse mistakes!

So, yes, I wouldn't maybe advocate throwing Ely into the fire, but "not seeing him anywhere near the pitch" is an overstatement. He's definitely a TALENT in my opinion, and one that should be developed!


Good post. I agree.
Danny
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Sep 8 2015, 01:23 PM) *
Good post. I agree.


It's not the worst post ever but it's curiously rebutting me and a point I made when I ... didn't make the point it claims.
William405
QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 8 2015, 03:21 PM) *
You must show me where on earth I said this.



Ah, you never did mate. It's just a general criticism! Not addressed to you.
William405
QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 8 2015, 03:21 PM) *
He might have ability but he's far too green and him being on the pitch in this ramshackle mess with a partner like Romag who can't lead him is only going to hurt him.

As for that ability, I can't say I've seen any of it, either in pre-season or competitive.


Yes, I agree with you here. He shouldn't be starting matches, but "wouldn't want to see him anywhere near the pitch" is too much. That's the only thing I don't agree with you here..biggrin.gif


Hmm, IMO he bossed the friendlies. He's very calm on the ball which is something I like in a CB. He also seemed good in the air. In the Fiorentina game..he had a bad half..but our midfield exposed him too much. It was a mistake playing him with Romag, yeah.
Danny
QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 8 2015, 01:58 PM) *
Ah, you never did mate. It's just a general criticism! Not addressed to you.


Ah sorry, crossed wires there smile.gif
Danny
QUOTE (William405 @ Sep 8 2015, 02:00 PM) *
Yes, I agree with you here. He shouldn't be starting matches, but "wouldn't want to see him anywhere near the pitch" is too much. That's the only thing I don't agree with you here..biggrin.gif


I'm just not sure where he's come from. He's had a very inauspicious career and it's weird that Miha suddenly wants him and another kid to be the central defence. Don't get me wrong, could be a future Silva indeed, but right now he's just an untested kid.

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Hmm, IMO he bossed the friendlies. He's very calm on the ball which is something I like in a CB. He also seemed good in the air. In the Fiorentina game..he had a bad half..but our midfield exposed him too much. It was a mistake playing him with Romag, yeah.


But that's the defence Miha wants. That's my bafflement.

My comments on both Romag and Ely aren't slagging them off individually, it's the notion of playing two youngsters who haven't even learned the game yet as partners. And yet that's Miha's prefenece.
William405
QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 8 2015, 05:31 PM) *
I'm just not sure where he's come from. He's had a very inauspicious career and it's weird that Miha suddenly wants him and another kid to be the central defence. Don't get me wrong, could be a future Silva indeed, but right now he's just an untested kid.



But that's the defence Miha wants. That's my bafflement.

My comments on both Romag and Ely aren't slagging them off individually, it's the notion of playing two youngsters who haven't even learned the game yet as partners. And yet that's Miha's prefenece.


Yep, can't agree more.
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 8 2015, 02:44 PM) *
Probably will only if Romagnoli gets an injury.

Looks like it. smile.gif

QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 8 2015, 02:44 PM) *
Mexes and Zapata did well together when given a good run of games so I'd be okay with it if Romagn gets injured and Zapata steps in

Aye, I still remember that. happy.gif One of the only few phases of relative solidity at the back. From the horrors of the start and constant changing of CBs and even full backs. I'm a guy that likes a good defense, as that is something that provides strength to the whole team and let's them focus on their tasks.

And last season was horrific, save for a couple of partnerships. This was one of them.

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 8 2015, 03:12 PM) *
Mexes or Alex and Zaps is a partnership I'm happy with. If Romag picks up and starts to impress I'm happy with him too, but only with Mexes or Alex, and not with Zaps.

I'll be down with that. wink.gif I think an old hand and a new one is our best bet. Romagnoli may be a lot of things, but experienced at this level, this big a club, he is not.

QUOTE (Danny @ Sep 8 2015, 03:12 PM) *
I'm not comfortable with Ely anywhere on the pitch. He, for me, is a total disaster.

That first match was a disaster, indeed. unsure.gif But I'll take another couple such disasters, if he learns from them quickly and finds his footing. In fact, he should be introduced after the 60 minute mark against smaller opponents, in matches where we have a comfortable lead or have sealed up proceedings.
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