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Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2017, 10:01 PM) *
What a terrible match. We got lucky with the win.


Yes.

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I don't know what happened but the players seemed completely out of it.

Calhanoglu needs to wake up. We have great expectations for him. He's wearing the #10 shirt so it's time he started playing like a #10 instead of tripping on his feet and losing balls left and right. He's young with great talent, so I'm only assuming it's a matter of physical condition.


I'm starting to understand why Pippo has been so castigating of him.

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Enough with Borini. FFS the guy is useless! He runs a lot, but he adds NOTHING to our game. Even as a sub he's subpar. Thankfully we'll have Bonaventura available after the break.

The 4-3-3 system is not suited to our players. Either go with 4-2-3-1 or start applying 3-5-2 already.


Doubt 4-2-3-1 will work a lot better but I would prefer it over 4-3-3.
Danny
Looking at all the analysis, with everyone now saying what I did last week, is any brave soul going to actually admit I was right about Bonucci? I took a lot of shite from you lot about it!
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 27 2017, 11:14 PM) *
It was the fact that Cagliari equalized which woke us up. What system change are you referring to? It was the same formation, just Montolivo took Hakan's position. Biglia was playing as anchor and Kessie occupied his usual position on the right.

Disagree here. it was clear we went for a 4-2-3-1 once Biglia came on. Monto pushed up and was playing behind the striker while Biglia and Kessie where clearly in a double pivot.


First half we were atrocious because I think no one knew wtf they were doing. Hakan and Borini to me looked the most lost out there with both of them making bad runs, getting in each other's way and just generally looked out of the game. The formation change clearly made a huge impact, sure the goal woke the players up a bit (especially Kessie), but you can't disregard how we looked much more compact once Montella shifted the players around.

Some observations going by the comments here:

Bonucci: Once again Danny, you simply go to the extreme for no reason. Rubbish? Come on now! He's taking his time to adjust, he had some good moments and some bad ones. And this can be applied to the entire group imo. All of the players, even guys like Suso and Cutrone who were the best 2 out there imo, had some iffy moments where they could have done better. It's going to take time for the team to really click with each other. We've been saying this all summer, yet now that the season has started we're going into meltdowns and labelling players rubbish because we're seeing what we'd already anticipated months ago? Bonucci is clearly going to need some time to get out of that Juve bubble he was in and adjust to playing for a different team in a system that is still a work in progress compared to the rock solid one he's been in at Juve for the last 6 years

Musacchio: Again, saw some criticism. He needs time as well. Montella is simply not helping things by using a different pairing each game. He should have let Bonucci and Musacchi play in all the games they were available for.

Hakan: No doubt a terrible game from him. But again, he's struggling to adapt and the position he's being played in simply does not suit him. It's not an excuse to say his ban is effecting hisd performance, but he clearly looks not completely match ready right now imo, just slightly off the pace which can really cripple you in such a physical game. I disdagree that he has no vision, his other games for us have shown us that he's a very intelligent passer he was simply not on his game yesterday

Kessie: Really off game, and I find it worrying how dependent we are on him in midfield as well. He's the driving force behind it atm and we looked one dimensional when he was struggling but looked much better when he finally woke up

Monto: He was decent, looked very tired in the last 30 minutes or so, but Biglia showed what we've been missing for a while now in the few minutes he was on the pitch

Cutrone: The kid is Pippo inzaghi with footballing skills. Like I've been saying for a while now, we shouldn't put too much pressure on him, he's obviously ice cold in front of goal but we need to handle him delicately as I don't want to see another situation where we ruin a very talented young attacker. Silva and Kalinic will need to really show what they can do when they get the chance. Too bad Montella is useing a formation that limits us to only using one while Borini starts

Borini: He was a ghost for most of the game, he's getting some mild praise because he runs a lot? So what, his running is useless, he's like the striker version of Poli. At times I even forgot he was on the pitch that's how ineffectual all his running is. He's partly to blame for why our left side is so weak compared to our right. Look how Suso makes it seem so effertless to link up with his mid and FB. They all bring each other into the game with smart runs and passing while our left side is dead and imo Borini is very much to blame for this.

Montella & formation: All I have to say is that Montella needs to resolve this formation issue ASAP
Danny
Usual stuff. "Yeah but..."

Yawn.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 28 2017, 10:42 AM) *
4-2-3-1 isn't. We don't have two DMs or two deep lying mids capable of the DP.


I'm sorry, what? Biglia and Kessie are very, very capable of playing in the double pivot. It's where they played last season for Lazio and Atalanta, albeit it was a 3-4-1-2 in their case.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 28 2017, 11:40 AM) *
Disagree here. it was clear we went for a 4-2-3-1 once Biglia came on. Monto pushed up and was playing behind the striker while Biglia and Kessie where clearly in a double pivot.


First half we were atrocious because I think no one knew wtf they were doing. Hakan and Borini to me looked the most lost out there with both of them making bad runs, getting in each other's way and just generally looked out of the game. The formation change clearly made a huge impact, sure the goal woke the players up a bit (especially Kessie), but you can't disregard how we looked much more compact once Montella shifted the players around.


That's the impression you got, but I assure you that nothing changed. Watch the second half again, you'll notice that Monto and Kessie occupied the mezz'ala positions whereas Biglia played in the center. In no moment did Monto play behind the striker. He shifted there a few times during play, but that's completely normal in the flow of the game. So did Hakan in the first half.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 28 2017, 02:11 PM) *
I'm sorry, what?


Please cut the terse and sarcastic tone with me. I'm allowed to make a post without such condescension greeting it.

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Biglia and Kessie are very, very capable of playing in the double pivot. It's where they played last season for Lazio and Atalanta, albeit it was a 3-4-1-2 in their case.


I wouldn't put Kessie in defensive midfield if he was the last player we had.
X-Offender
I seriously suggest you calm down. You're starting to take every comment and remark as if we're trying to insult your intelligence or something, even though apparently it's totally fine for you to call Han's opinion as ignorant and arrogant. That's not cool.

Mine was a completely harmless comment. If somehow I offended you that wasn't my intention at all.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 28 2017, 03:06 PM) *
I seriously suggest you calm down. You're starting to take every comment and remark as if we're


I'm completely calm. I was only referring to you.

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trying to insult your intelligence or something, even though apparently it's totally fine for you to call Han's opinion as ignorant and arrogant. That's not cool.


Some of mine are too. As are some of yours. wtf has got you so wound up?

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Mine was a completely harmless comment. If somehow I offended you that wasn't my intention at all.


Nothing offends me, but I won't take being belittled by anyone for expressing my opinion. My opinion may well be a pile of shite, but it's my pile of shite.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 28 2017, 03:21 PM) *
I'm completely calm. I was only referring to you.


You had the same reaction vs Fillipo, as well.

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 28 2017, 03:21 PM) *
Some of mine are too. As are some of yours. wtf has got you so wound up?

Nothing offends me, but I won't take being belittled by anyone for expressing my opinion. My opinion may well be a pile of shite, but it's my pile of shite.


That's my point. I wasn't belittling you by any means. You're simply overreacting.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 28 2017, 03:40 PM) *
You had the same reaction vs Fillipo, as well.


You'll need to quote me.

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That's my point. I wasn't belittling you by any means. You're simply overreacting.


You must remember tone is lost in text/online. You challenged my assertion by implying it was ludicrous. I don't think it's ludicrous to point out Kessie sucked for us in DM and DP's rarely work for us. And I mean DP in front of the back four.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 28 2017, 03:45 PM) *
You'll need to quote me.


http://www.milanfan.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=417395

QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 28 2017, 03:45 PM) *
You must remember tone is lost in text/online. You challenged my assertion by implying it was ludicrous. I don't think it's ludicrous to point out Kessie sucked for us in DM and DP's rarely work for us. And I mean DP in front of the back four.


Listen to yourself. Where did I ever imply any of that? 'Sorry, what' is simply an exclamation from my part at your point of view, but it does not imply in any way whatsoever that I am belittling you or that I am considering your assertion as ludicrous. That's going overboard mate, and I am sorry you see it that way.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Aug 28 2017, 06:21 PM) *


Oh I stand by that one a thousand percent.

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Listen to yourself. Where did I ever imply any of that? 'Sorry, what' is simply an exclamation from my part at your point of view, but it does not imply in any way whatsoever that I am belittling you or that I am considering your assertion as ludicrous. That's going overboard mate, and I am sorry you see it that way.


To say 'sorry, what?' is condescension - it is sarcasm in text to suggest what you're hearing is absolutely ridiculous.

To say it in real life either means you genuinely did not hear the person, or you find their view so comical you're pretending you must have misheard what they said.

It's not going overboard, it's called language differences. I accept you might not realise what that truly meant in English, and sometimes I forget folk on here don't primarily speak English.

So, let's shake hand over a silly misunderstanding.

Still don't want a DP with them two, mind.

han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Aug 28 2017, 11:56 AM) *
Usual stuff. "Yeah but..."

Yawn.

Hmm. Okay... smile.gif

X-Offender
Lazio-Milan topic anyone?
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