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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 3 2020, 07:33 PM) *
Kabak seems to be very highly rated, he's only 20, and can even play as DM in case of emergency. Schalke are asking 25M for him, which IMO is a very decent price.

We should stop acting like cheapskates, throwing a 15M price-tag on ever CB we're being linked with. We'll never get good players this way. We already got a good 50M from Suso, Paqueta and Rodriguez.

Looks like we are closer to a deal for Kabak, and what I read about him is (mostly) positive. OTOH, he plays for a club that leaks goals at an incredible rate (5 a game, it seems), but I guess that is not his fault :-)

Of course, I would like to see better signings, and I am still nervous about squad strength. That said, I like how we are handling the mercato. I don't think what we are seeing is about being "cheapskates". Rather, it is about running the club as a business, which is what you have to do to thrive under FFP rules. The way I understand it, when going after players someone establishes a value (I am sure Elliott have people that are good at that), then we haggle a bit, and in the end either we close with a price that is sustainable (meaning the player is likely to increase in value), or we move on (note that we offered quite a bit more than 15M for Fofana, which to me means he was valued more than Kabak or Toma). Compare this way of operating to how it was done by Fassobelli or Leo, throwing money at players and getting them above value. Those actions have cost us dearly, and it is not as if the money spent this way has gotten us any closer to CL.

While FFP is favoring teams with deep pockets, we are also witnessing the emergence of lesser clubs that are being run properly, like Atalanta and (even more so) the RB teams. We need to do the same. This including keeping expenses under tight control (all expenses). Previous management (all the way back to B&G) dug us into a massive hole for FFP purposes, and we need to climb out of it before we can spend. COVID is not helping either, and we are not the only team impacted by that (for example look at Schalke, there is a reason they are forced to sell Kabak despite their defense being s**t).
X-Offender
We're talking about 25M, man, not 75M. In today's market 25M is peanuts. And this is a position we desperately need to cover. If we can't afford even a 25M signing then we might as well throw the towel and aim for the EL again.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 02:39 AM) *
We're talking about 25M, man, not 75M. In today's market 25M is peanuts. And this is a position we desperately need to cover. If we can't afford even a 25M signing then we might as well throw the towel and aim for the EL again.

If I recall correctly, we offered somewhere around 35M for Fofana (so clearly we can go above 15M, and we are willing to do that if we want to :-)). Also, it looks like we are getting closer to a deal (which means Schalke must have dropped their demands some, and it also mean we are willing to go higher than our initial 15M bid).

This goes back to my point. Our current approach to negotiations involves the following:
- We assess a value for a player and bid based on that
- We start low and haggle
- If we cannot come close to our objectives, we are ready to walk away from the deal

Again, compare this with the approach taken by Fassobelli and even Leo. The way those deals went, it looked like they would go for whatever was asked (rather than the value they placed on the player) and did not do much haggling. That approach is bad business, and got us nowhere. And it is not just about the one deal, it is about the reputation you build. If people know they can ask you for whatever they want and you will just cave in ... well, they will most certainly take advantage of that. As I see it, if you want to be successful as a club, you need to think long term, not just about satisfying the immediate needs regardless of the consequences.
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BTW, I also like the fact that we are starting to buy young players with promise and loaning them out to other teams (or playing them in the primavera). This is what other more successful clubs have been doing for some time, and it has been paying off for them. Even if the player does not turn into a superstar, you can typically sell him to mid-table clubs at a profit. These profits will allow us to go after more expensive players in the future. Some players can also make it on to the first team (which is even better).

We got the forward from Sweden early in the transfer market, just got someone whose name sounds like a Colombian drug lord a couple of days ago, and a 6.4 foot giant today.
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QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 4 2020, 04:06 AM) *
If I recall correctly, we offered somewhere around 35M for Fofana (so clearly we can go above 15M, and we are willing to do that if we want to :-)).


Well, you don't recall correctly. 35M was the asking price from Saint-Etienne. We offered much lower, and eventually the player went to Leicester who matched their request.

Same argument for Tomiyasu. Bologna ask 25M, we're not willing to go beyond 15M for him.

And if you really wanna talk about player value, then Transfermarkt, arguably the most reliable external source about player values, has Kabak valued at 29M, even more than what Schalke are asking.

I repeat, we should start increasing our bids if we want to get some decent players.

Latest rumour is that we are now offering 18M + bonuses for Kabak, with a loan + obligation to buy formula. Both parties seem to be getting closer. Here's to hoping.
X-Offender
Bakayoko to Napoli is almost official. Dry loan at 2M.

So... How come we missed this? Even on a dry loan, he would have been a great signing.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 12:43 PM) *
Bakayoko to Napoli is almost official. Dry loan at 2M.

So... How come we missed this? Even on a dry loan, he would have been a great signing.

We wanted the option to buy inserted and Chelsea were putting on a 35m price tag on him when they don't want him, he hasn't been part of their squad for 2 years now and he'd be in the last year of contract. I'm sad that we missed out on Baka, he was great for us and would have been very important to the team, but it is what it is.

Rudiger on loan is the alternative to Kabak according to Di Marzio. If the negotiations for Kabak fail, we'll instantly pivot to Rudiger since we only have a day and a half left of mercato to go. I'd be okay with either, Rudiger on a dry loan for this season and then we go for Kabak again next summer if the money isn't there this summer is still a good deal
X-Offender
Di Marzio saying now our offer to Schalke is 12M +3M bonuses. laugh.gif

I'd be highly surprised if Schalke accept.
TriniKing_CE
Official Statement:

AC Milan is delighted to announce the signing of defender José Diogo Dalot Teixeira on loan from Manchester United FC.



https://www.acmilan.com/en/news/articles/me...ent-diogo-dalot
X-Offender
#5 should have gone to the new CB. Oh well...

No idea how good this guy is. Anyone seen him play or read anything about him?
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 03:59 PM) *
#5 should have gone to the new CB. Oh well...

No idea how good this guy is. Anyone seen him play or read anything about him?

Nope, just saw a few clips on YT, looks similar to Theo in the way he bombs forward, not sure how good he is defensively though, seems to be a winger almost in the way he plays
han2503
#ACMilan have won their first three Serie A games to start the season without conceding a single goal for the third time in their history, after 1971-72 (under Nereo Rocco) and 1952-53 (under Mario Sperone).

Strange stat considering all the great teams we've had since then
han2503
I wonder who's ultimate decision it was to leave the Napoli team back home and lose all points.

And if they lose out on CL places by a small margin, who's head would roll
William405
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 4 2020, 09:33 PM) *
Nope, just saw a few clips on YT, looks similar to Theo in the way he bombs forward, not sure how good he is defensively though, seems to be a winger almost in the way he plays


Yes. I was convinced for some reason that he is a center back. not really though. Seems like a good versatile player to have on the right. Can be a revelation in the attacking side of the game if he manages to stay injury free. Once again, not an amazing signing but good enough for what we are lacking at the moment.

William405
In other news,

Juventus signed Chiesa.
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QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 01:40 PM) *
Well, you don't recall correctly. 35M was the asking price from Saint-Etienne. We offered much lower, and eventually the player went to Leicester who matched their request.

Same argument for Tomiyasu. Bologna ask 25M, we're not willing to go beyond 15M for him.

And if you really wanna talk about player value, then Transfermarkt, arguably the most reliable external source about player values, has Kabak valued at 29M, even more than what Schalke are asking.

I repeat, we should start increasing our bids if we want to get some decent players.

Latest rumour is that we are now offering 18M + bonuses for Kabak, with a loan + obligation to buy formula. Both parties seem to be getting closer. Here's to hoping.

As it stands, it does not look like we will get Kabak, and may go for Rudiger on loan instead. Maybe. That is somewhat disappointing, but I have to accept that and hope for the best.

In any case:
- The initial offer for Fofana was ~15M, we offered again after we sold Paq (presumably more, though probably not 35M). So you are right about that.
- While I am not going to dispute Transfermarkt, it is interesting that 29M is what Schalke initially asked (they later dropped the request to 25M, and according to some sources 20M). In other words, Transfermarkt is most likely looking at what the club is valuing their players. Worth noting that Schalke bought Kabak for ~15M last summer. The club's performance on the field has not been that great, and their finances are a mess. So the 2x increase is a tad suspect, especially considering that these days there is something going around called COVID.

Anyway, we can agree to disagree :-). I am quite happy we are taking this approach rather than going at it the way Fassobelli did (or Leo, or late B&G). The money spent unwisely in past years has gotten us in deep s**t relating to FFP, and we are not going to climb out of the hole we are in unless we start operating as a responsible business. In other words, we have to find ways to win while controlling expenses. It is not as if throwing money at players has gotten us closer to CL in the last decade.
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If you have a chance, The Athletic has a very interesting story on Milan written by James Horncastle ("Inside AC Milan: Waking a sleeping giant"). One section is about Moncada and how he operates.

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Milan brought Moncada in to set up and lead a global scouting network. [...]

The ability to assess a player’s “scope for improvement” is what Moncada looks for in his scouts. “If a 20-year-old player has a terrible game, gets a four out of 10 in the ratings, but has great potential, that’s more important to me. I like it when a scout looks at it that way and says to me: ‘Look, he didn’t have a good game today, but he’s gifted’. We keep tracking him and watch him again.”

And that’s not all.

“I don’t need a scout who only goes to games,” Moncada explains. “I need one who watches training, talks to the parents, the academy directors. It’s too easy to go see a game, write your report and be done with it. We can do that from the office. We have to have the intel — the contract situation, what’s the family like, the small details make the difference. Human relations make the difference.”

Moncada and his team follow players from under-17 level up. “In the space of two years they’re either reserves or first-team players. By that time we’ve already been watching them a couple of years. I want to know the story behind them, their background.”

Old school scouts tend to be sceptical of and in some cases hostile towards data, rolling their eyes when metrics like PPDA (passes per defensive action) and “xG throw-in” come up in conversation. But Milan’s analytics department, which is staffed by a small group of bright 20-something analysts and uses StatsBomb data, has the optimum level of synergy
with Moncada while working independently of each other to avoid biases.

“In the end we have a comprehensive report with all the info and the statistics,” Moncada says.

The Frenchman then reports to Maldini and shares his expertise with the technical committee as they go through potential targets.

“All of these things; the clear vision, the clear strategy, the clear philosophy backed by strong processes give us confidence in the decisions we make collaboratively and collectively with Paolo Maldini as the reference point,” Gazidis explains.
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Laxalt to Celtic on loan

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 01:43 PM) *
Bakayoko to Napoli is almost official. Dry loan at 2M.

So... How come we missed this? Even on a dry loan, he would have been a great signing.

More like GBP 4.5M, according to some sources.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 4 2020, 03:43 PM) *
We wanted the option to buy inserted and Chelsea were putting on a 35m price tag on him when they don't want him, he hasn't been part of their squad for 2 years now and he'd be in the last year of contract. I'm sad that we missed out on Baka, he was great for us and would have been very important to the team, but it is what it is.

I would have liked to see Baka back with Milan, he did well with us for a few months and we need a vice-Kessie. OTOH, other than those few months, his performance has not been all that great.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 4 2020, 03:55 PM) *
Di Marzio saying now our offer to Schalke is 12M +3M bonuses. laugh.gif

Other sources claim the offer was higher. Di Marzio (not the best source these days for Milan transfer news) may be going by the initial offer.
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 4 2020, 08:41 PM) *
I wonder who's ultimate decision it was to leave the Napoli team back home and lose all points.

And if they lose out on CL places by a small margin, who's head would roll

De Laurentis, apparently (according to CM). Probably because he did not want to play Juve without a full squad. That's the kind of decision that could backfire. I believe is is a 3-0 win for Juve, and Napoli may get penalized a point for not showing up. Expect legal battles ...
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 4 2020, 08:36 PM) *
#ACMilan have won their first three Serie A games to start the season without conceding a single goal for the third time in their history, after 1971-72 (under Nereo Rocco) and 1952-53 (under Mario Sperone).

Strange stat considering all the great teams we've had since then

We had three relatively easy games, even if you consider the squad was tired because of EL :-) The real test is against Inter after the break. Hoping to see Zlatan and Roma back by then.

OTOH, the games we had are the kind of games where we would drop points in past years. Also, Inter has not impressed me in any of the games I have seen. Sure, they have a great team ... on paper. They also struggled against Fiorentina and should have won against Lazio (given how the game went).
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QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 5 2020, 12:55 AM) *
In other news,

Juventus signed Chiesa.

Mixed feelings about Chiesa. Have seen him play well but also disappear in some games. All in all, I would have liked to see him here. Will see how well he does at Juve playing in a more defensive role.
William405
Can an Admin create a page for Hauge?

Here is a nice editorial on this player.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dB_cOhhivk
Danny
I feel like Laxalt has been this weird signing that's just been there the whole time - coming back and forth on infinite loan hell.

Now he's off to Celtic. And I still have to put up with him. ffs.
X-Offender
No signing in defense.

Romagnoli
Kjaer
Musacchio
Gabbia
Duarte

This will be our defensive line-up in the league, cup and EL. Let that sink in.

This campaign has been a disaster. We got fooled by the Tonali signing, but aside from Zlatan and Rebic who aren't exactly new signings, we only got Hauge, Diaz and Dalot, two of them on dry loans.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 5 2020, 07:53 PM) *
No signing in defense.

Romagnoli
Kjaer
Musacchio
Gabbia
Duarte

This will be our defensive line-up in the league, cup and EL. Let that sink in.

This campaign has been a disaster. We got fooled by the Tonali signing, but aside from Zlatan and Rebic who aren't exactly new signings, we only got Hauge, Diaz and Dalot, two of them on dry loans.

It appears we actually had just 30 million to spend in summer and January rather than summer only.
han2503
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 5 2020, 05:23 AM) *
De Laurentis, apparently (according to CM). Probably because he did not want to play Juve without a full squad. That's the kind of decision that could backfire. I believe is is a 3-0 win for Juve, and Napoli may get penalized a point for not showing up. Expect legal battles ...

Deserved to get the points deducted as well. You can't just bend the rules to suit yourself. They're not the only club with Positive players that have to deal with them not being available

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 5 2020, 05:30 AM) *
We had three relatively easy games, even if you consider the squad was tired because of EL :-) The real test is against Inter after the break. Hoping to see Zlatan and Roma back by then.

OTOH, the games we had are the kind of games where we would drop points in past years. Also, Inter has not impressed me in any of the games I have seen. Sure, they have a great team ... on paper. They also struggled against Fiorentina and should have won against Lazio (given how the game went).

The bolded part being the key statement there. We would have definitely dropped points in recent years, especially given how many key players were missing.

I haven't watched Inter at all so far this season, but their score lines seem erratic at best. Not to mention their defensive line, which imo has been downgraded a lot compared to last season

QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Oct 5 2020, 05:33 AM) *
Mixed feelings about Chiesa. Have seen him play well but also disappear in some games. All in all, I would have liked to see him here. Will see how well he does at Juve playing in a more defensive role.

He could easily go the Bernardeschi route at Juve. He'll most likely be played at wingback, which is a shame. But it's his choice. I'm sure if we were interested he would have wanted to come to Milan. But apparently we never showed any real interest and never approached Fiorentina for him. Which is no shock considering our lack of any budget

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 5 2020, 06:53 PM) *
No signing in defense.

Romagnoli
Kjaer
Musacchio
Gabbia
Duarte

This will be our defensive line-up in the league, cup and EL. Let that sink in.

This campaign has been a disaster. We got fooled by the Tonali signing, but aside from Zlatan and Rebic who aren't exactly new signings, we only got Hauge, Diaz and Dalot, two of them on dry loans.

If Musacchio can get back in shape, we should be fin until January. It is still very worrying considering Romagnoli's injury history. But we'll have to grit our teeth and get to January as is.

I think considering the budget we had, Paolo and Massara did miracles.

QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Oct 5 2020, 07:43 PM) *
It appears we actually had just 30 million to spend in summer and January rather than summer only.

Probably less than that
Danny
Man Utd making a move on Hakan. The past 6 months he's become an asset. He's one we now don't want to lose.
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QUOTE (Danny @ Oct 29 2020, 03:30 AM) *
Man Utd making a move on Hakan. The past 6 months he's become an asset. He's one we now don't want to lose.


Very worrisome rumours circulating. Apparently his agent's demands are deemed too excessive by the club, and some say he will move to ManUtd with Dalot as part of the deal.

Two things:

First of all, it would be ridiculous to let him go, for free even, now that he's finally reached that potential he was so much struggling to achieve over the past three years. We need to find a way in-between. If I'm not mistaken, his salary is 2.5M per year. Even if he's demanding 5-6 million, we should accommodate him. We don't wanna lose someone so important for our game at this point in our progression.

Secondly, I also have to say I find it kind of disrespectful from Hakan's side to be wanting to move for economic reasons now that he's back on demand. Yes, I know football is a business and players only look after their own interests, but we stayed by his side through thick and thin, and believed in him for all these years despite him being at times absolutely rubbish.

I'm not saying he should bow down and play for free, but some sense of belonging to a club who believed in you is dutiful, and it would be an act of class from his part.
X-Offender
Also, what kind of message are we sending by letting him go? That any player who becomes good with us and wants more money can just leave? How are we going to become a big side again if we can't hold on to our best players? Who's gonna be next? Kessie? Bennacer? Theo? I sincerely hope Maldini and Gazidis find a solution to this.
William405
You're reading too much into it. Nothing official has come out.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 31 2020, 05:24 PM) *
Very worrisome rumours circulating. Apparently his agent's demands are deemed too excessive by the club, and some say he will move to ManUtd with Dalot as part of the deal.

Two things:

First of all, it would be ridiculous to let him go, for free even, now that he's finally reached that potential he was so much struggling to achieve over the past three years. We need to find a way in-between. If I'm not mistaken, his salary is 2.5M per year. Even if he's demanding 5-6 million, we should accommodate him. We don't wanna lose someone so important for our game at this point in our progression.

Secondly, I also have to say I find it kind of disrespectful from Hakan's side to be wanting to move for economic reasons now that he's back on demand. Yes, I know football is a business and players only look after their own interests, but we stayed by his side through thick and thin, and believed in him for all these years despite him being at times absolutely rubbish.

I'm not saying he should bow down and play for free, but some sense of belonging to a club who believed in you is dutiful, and it would be an act of class from his part.


If only football was about loyalty! Nah, dead concept, players are in it for themselves, and we just have to accept they hold the cards.

You're right to say we stood by him while he was rubbish, but football is results based and he's scoring and creating and he expects to receive the market rate for that. He wasn't doing it before so couldn't demand better.

?2.5M is pretty modest for a player of his current form tbh.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 31 2020, 05:28 PM) *
Also, what kind of message are we sending by letting him go? That any player who becomes good with us and wants more money can just leave? How are we going to become a big side again if we can't hold on to our best players? Who's gonna be next? Kessie? Bennacer? Theo?


Rangers are going through the same thing. It's because we're (both Rangers and Milan) still not an established European force again yet. Players see us as a stepping stone, and until we're back to being great again, to winning consistently and securing silverware with it, a stepping stone is all we'll remain.

I'm not trying to downplay us btw, we're still the name of Milan - but our stock plummeted the past decade.
han2503
The big head scratcher for me is Man U have something like 3 AMs in their team, I don't understand why they would want him or why Hakan would go there.

I think the management will extend his contract. I really don't think they would make such a major miss-step as to let him walk for free.

Also 2.5m for a player as important as him is too low. We should be giving him at least 4m. And I think he would be happy with that.

I trust that Paolo will make the right move here. I read that Milan is still his first choice. It's just a matter of meeting somewhere in the middle. And all this talk is typical of the media to stir sh!t up.

And can I say, the management should really stop with letting these contracts run down so mcuh. It gives the players all the power in the negotiation when they're in their final year. This year we need to make sure to renew Kessie, Romagnoli and look into Theo and Bennacer's deals as well. We cannot afford to have clubs sniffing around just when we're getting things back on track.

Gigio and Hakan need to be renewed ASAP though. I don't understand why they continue to let the clock run down even more. In January they can deal with clubs should they wish to
Rossoneri7
Well, I think in all fairness players have a right to stick around or move on. It's not that the club does not want to renew, it's also the players desire to wait it out.

That said, I do hope both renew in these coming two months.
Rossoneri7
Well, I think in all fairness players have a right to stick around or move on. It's not that the club does not want to renew, it's also the players desire to wait it out.

That said, I do hope both renew in these coming two months.
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 1 2020, 06:16 PM) *
Well, I think in all fairness players have a right to stick around or move on. It's not that the club does not want to renew, it's also the players desire to wait it out.

That said, I do hope both renew in these coming two months.

I think if you approach the players with a good offer they will accept unless they really want out.

Example, the Kessie situation. I think his runs out in 2022. He's happy now, why not offer him an improved deal, within reason of course and extend his contract for 5 years. So if by any chance, next summer, if a top club does come calling, we'll be in a strong negotiating position, even if Kessie wants to leave.

Same goes with Bennacer and Theo. What we're paying them is criminal imo. Laxalt was earning more than Theo does, and Bennacer is probably one of the top 3 CMs in the league right now and I think he's barely earning 1.5m if that
Rossoneri7
Thing is, Milan is a club running losses. The recent form and results were not expected. So if you cancel that out the club was not in a position to offer Kessie, Bennacer or anyone improved contracts. Let alone extend contracts for players requesting figures that is beyond the economical powers of a club like Milan (today's Milan that is).

Yet now, with this surge in form, results and expectations, we are here discussing extensions and pay increases.

Nevertheless, fact remains Milan does not have a deep coffer and if the club do succeed in extending their respective contracts I'll be extremely happy.

Otherwise, when teams like United and Madrid come sniffing, there is little you can do. Even if you match their offer, as the exposure on that level is emmence in comparison.
han2503
But, if we want to return to the top, you have to at the very least be able to keep your important players. It makes no sense for this Elliot project to even exist if we cannot keep the key pieces of the puzzle that make or break our chances for going back into the CL
Rossoneri7
Elliot is a hedge fund, their goal is to increase Milan's value and sell. They acquired the club for 300M Euros (what Lee defaulted on).

The club was always going to challenge for EL, it's aim is a maximum finish of 4th place and get a shot at CL. In turn serving the goal of Elliot.

What changed? Our expectations after seeing Milan's form under Pioli and Ibra. However nothing changed from a financial stand point. Merchandising is low, stadium revenue is zero, sponsors have not come knocking for a new deal neither has reward ?? for CL or Serie A.

Again, I would be very happy if the club do convince the players to extend. But I would not ask any more, since I know the financial standing of the club is dire.

If Milan do end up getting CL and going far in EL by season end, then you could expect an exciting Summer transfer window. Something we can all have a ball at. But as of yet, I'm not getting my hopes up as it is up to players like Donna who would have to weigh their hearts desire over the allure of PSG, Madrid, et al. While Cala would most likely move on, it does befit his character to do so, I think.

Rossoneri7
Rumor has it Donna is renewing till 2024 devil.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 2 2020, 11:43 PM) *
But, if we want to return to the top, you have to at the very least be able to keep your important players. It makes no sense for this Elliot project to even exist if we cannot keep the key pieces of the puzzle that make or break our chances for going back into the CL

Well you have to balance the books and make shrewd deals/investments. I think it's not very realistic to expect we will extend and upgrade contract for all of Donna, Kessie, Ibra, Theo, Bennacer and Hakan. Don't you think? So giving Kessie a upgrade one year is a business decision.

Another question. How do you guys asses Diaz so far?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 8 2020, 06:45 PM) *
Another question. How do you guys asses Diaz so far?


He's good. 21 years old, so still lots of room for improvement. But I feel he doesn't connect that well with the rest of the team just yet. Like Leao. They're still too concerned with their own little tricks.

But he's way better than Leao. And I absolutely love his determination and work-rate. Especially against Lille you tell how much desire he had compared to his dead teammates.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 8 2020, 06:45 PM) *
Well you have to balance the books and make shrewd deals/investments. I think it's not very realistic to expect we will extend and upgrade contract for all of Donna, Kessie, Ibra, Theo, Bennacer and Hakan. Don't you think? So giving Kessie a upgrade one year is a business decision.

Another question. How do you guys asses Diaz so far?

Losing players on free transfers is as far from shrewd as I can think of

For example, shrewd is selling Theo for 50m+ Losing him for free would be idiotic. Sure we'll have to sacrifice some of these guys who's value has sky rocketed, that's the model Elliot want to follow like they do at Lille, like what Leipzig do, etc but losing players for free would be a huge blow for us financially.

I'd personally want to see us keep Diaz, really impressed me so far, definitely has that special something
X-Offender
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 23 2020, 05:33 PM) *
Sure we'll have to sacrifice some of these guys who's value has sky rocketed, that's the model Elliot want to follow like they do at Lille, like what Leipzig do, etc but losing players for free would be a huge blow for us financially.


Say what? I think Elliot has said many times their objective is to get Milan to the top, then sell it to some rich buyer in order to make a big profit. That's how they operate. Selling valuable players will only hinder things.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 23 2020, 09:12 PM) *
Say what? I think Elliot has said many times their objective is to get Milan to the top, then sell it to some rich buyer in order to make a big profit. That's how they operate. Selling valuable players will only hinder things.

I still think that if a good offer arrives we'll sell and replace with another promising player. Leipzig do this all the time while staying in the CL. Same with teams like Dortmund. They're constantly flipping players
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 26 2020, 09:00 PM) *
I still think that if a good offer arrives we'll sell and replace with another promising player. Leipzig do this all the time while staying in the CL. Same with teams like Dortmund. They're constantly flipping players


First of all, we're not Leipzig or Dortmund. Secondly, those clubs have top scouts which we don't.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 26 2020, 10:52 PM) *
First of all, we're not Leipzig or Dortmund. Secondly, those clubs have top scouts which we don't.

You really think we'll turn down big offers if they come in?
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QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 27 2020, 09:20 AM) *
You really think we'll turn down big offers if they come in?


It depends. For example, if Hakan renews and ManU comes knocking in with a 50M offer I wouldn't say no.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 28 2020, 09:19 PM) *
It depends. For example, if Hakan renews and ManU comes knocking in with a 50M offer I wouldn't say no.

They won't. I'm more worried about big offers coming for Bennacer and Kessie at this point. Those two are pure gold and most teams would kill for mids like them

Anyway, I think this Man U talk is being pushed around by Hakan's agent, plus the reporter saying this is apparently the one that was talking about Thiago renewal with Bayern being practically done in the summer, and we all know how that turned out

Unless Di Marzio or Romano say anything, I'm calling BS for now.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 30 2020, 09:56 PM) *
They won't. I'm more worried about big offers coming for Bennacer and Kessie at this point. Those two are pure gold and most teams would kill for mids like them

Anyway, I think this Man U talk is being pushed around by Hakan's agent, plus the reporter saying this is apparently the one that was talking about Thiago renewal with Bayern being practically done in the summer, and we all know how that turned out

Unless Di Marzio or Romano say anything, I'm calling BS for now.

We are not going to get anything for Hakan. Either he signs or we lose him. But I would not go above 4M.
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