William405
Jun 16 2021, 09:12 PM
Locatelli is a beast..so sad..
X-Offender
Jun 16 2021, 10:34 PM
QUOTE (William405 @ Jun 16 2021, 08:27 PM)

Italy are excellent this year.
Their pressing is insane.
William405
Jun 16 2021, 11:44 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 17 2021, 12:34 AM)

Their pressing is insane.
Yes, what a joy to watch. I have to say I didn't really like Mancini as a coach ,but he's done wonders here to nuild a very solid team. Ofcourse the big challenge will be France, who with Mbappe can kill you on one counter..but that is football.
Fillipo Simone
Jun 17 2021, 09:37 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 16 2021, 11:36 AM)

I keep hearing that we want to save as much money as possible, that even 1 little million can make a difference. Are we that desperate???
How so?
X-Offender
Jun 17 2021, 11:00 AM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 17 2021, 09:37 AM)

How so?
What do you mean?
Fillipo Simone
Jun 17 2021, 11:04 AM
Why are we so stingy all of a sudden that a mere million or two make a difference?
X-Offender
Jun 17 2021, 12:39 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 17 2021, 11:04 AM)

Why are we so stingy all of a sudden that a mere million or two make a difference?
No clue. I really do not understand how this ownership reasons.
X-Offender
Jun 17 2021, 01:00 PM
Another disappointing performance by Calhanoglu yesterday. Gazzetta gave him 5.
Watch him come crawling back to us as nobody wants him anymore. Little f*cker.
Fillipo Simone
Jun 17 2021, 02:48 PM
And yet we do not have any good alternatives.
X-Offender
Jun 17 2021, 03:36 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 17 2021, 02:48 PM)

And yet we do not have any good alternatives.
Unfortunately. Calhanoglu is mediocre, but at least with him renewing we can spend more money on the attackers.
Fillipo Simone
Jun 17 2021, 04:16 PM
Maybe Maldini and Co have a few aces in their sleeves left. Because all of the names and sums mentioned make me think 2021/22 will be very embarrassing comeback and a step back in the wrong direction.
han2503
Jun 17 2021, 08:36 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 17 2021, 01:00 PM)

Another disappointing performance by Calhanoglu yesterday. Gazzetta gave him 5.
Watch him come crawling back to us as nobody wants him anymore. Little f*cker.
Good strategy for him to wait it out
And yeah, re the Azzurri and Mancini. I've been an Italy supporter for as long as I can remember and have never seen such play. The only thing to come close was Lippi's team before the world cup of 06 and even that team was nowhere close to this high intensity play. Really beautiful football. They look like a club side who have been playing and training together everyday for years. So sad that Calabria didn't make it into this team. He would thrive here and is head and shoulders above both Florenzi and Di Lorenzo
Re the transfer market. I think we should calm down before panicking. I don't think we're going to do any serious business before the Euros are over. At least that's my thinking. They're probably going to concentrate on sales and the loan deals until then
Re the De Paul stuff, I honestly don't think we were ever really that interested and it was the media making it out as such. Unfortunate, but I think they know Hakan will renew, so there's no use going in for a player like De Paul
X-Offender
Jun 18 2021, 10:26 AM
I'm not worried about the waiting, I'm worried about the overall feeling I'm getting thus far: mediocre names and little spending. If somehow after the Euros we'll start splashing big bucks on big players then fine, but I don't think that will be the case.
We simply can't be happy with only guys like Giroud and Adli in attack. We need at least two important names.
In other news, Tomori is now official.
han2503
Jun 18 2021, 03:56 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2021, 10:26 AM)

I'm not worried about the waiting, I'm worried about the overall feeling I'm getting thus far: mediocre names and little spending. If somehow after the Euros we'll start splashing big bucks on big players then fine, but I don't think that will be the case.
We simply can't be happy with only guys like Giroud and Adli in attack. We need at least two important names.
In other news, Tomori is now official.
But if you're expecting big bucks to be splashed then you're setting yourself up for disappointment...
I think we need to lower our expectations a bit, this is going to be a mid-level transfer window for us.
X-Offender
Jun 18 2021, 05:12 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 18 2021, 03:56 PM)

But if you're expecting big bucks to be splashed then you're setting yourself up for disappointment...
I think we need to lower our expectations a bit, this is going to be a mid-level transfer window for us.
Define mid-level. Tomori, for instance, at 28M for me is a mid-level signing. So, I expect at least a couple of signings in attack at that range per player.
Because it's impossible in this day and age to find valuable players for 15-20M like it used to be in the past.
X-Offender
Jun 18 2021, 05:22 PM
Zlatan just had knee surgery today.
In these cases it takes at least 2 months to recover...
Fillipo Simone
Jun 18 2021, 07:42 PM
This will end badly.
han2503
Jun 18 2021, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2021, 05:12 PM)

Define mid-level. Tomori, for instance, at 28M for me is a mid-level signing. So, I expect at least a couple of signings in attack at that range per player.
Because it's impossible in this day and age to find valuable players for 15-20M like it used to be in the past.
I personally don't think we'll get anyone else with that kind of price tag tbh
We're going to go after lower profiles with potential high return on value.
15-20M is our range atm. I personally don't think that's a travesty, it's just a matter of how well you use the money you have not on how big a given transfer fee is.
han2503
Jun 18 2021, 08:58 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2021, 05:22 PM)

Zlatan just had knee surgery today.
In these cases it takes at least 2 months to recover...
We simply have to let go of this Giroud stuff and go after a younger profile
Belotti is there for the taking, just get him
X-Offender
Jun 18 2021, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 18 2021, 08:57 PM)

I personally don't think we'll get anyone else with that kind of price tag tbh
We're going to go after lower profiles with potential high return on value.
15-20M is our range atm. I personally don't think that's a travesty, it's just a matter of how well you use the money you have not on how big a given transfer fee is.
Name me one valuable striker and one valuable right winger for 15-20M each. I'll wait.
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 18 2021, 08:58 PM)

We simply have to let go of this Giroud stuff and go after a younger profile
Belotti is there for the taking, just get him
I don't understand. You say we won't get anyone else for Tomori's price tag yet you say we should sign Belotti who has a market value of 35M.
han2503
Jun 18 2021, 09:34 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2021, 09:02 PM)

Name me one valuable striker and one valuable right winger for 15-20M each. I'll wait.
I don't understand. You say we won't get anyone else for Tomori's price tag yet you say we should sign Belotti who has a market value of 35M.
Like I said, we'll have to be creative with what we have
No way Belotti goes for that much. Toro are not in the driver's seat anymore. He's on his last year and if they're pushed and Belotti wants to leave, they will have to accept lower than that
There are not teams outside of Serie A who will want him and there are no teams in Serie A who can brandish that kind of money. So that doesn't give them much room to demand anything. 20-25m would be more than enough for him
X-Offender
Jun 18 2021, 10:19 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 18 2021, 09:34 PM)

Like I said, we'll have to be creative with what we have
No way Belotti goes for that much. Toro are not in the driver's seat anymore. He's on his last year and if they're pushed and Belotti wants to leave, they will have to accept lower than that
There are not teams outside of Serie A who will want him and there are no teams in Serie A who can brandish that kind of money. So that doesn't give them much room to demand anything. 20-25m would be more than enough for him
Belotti is Cairo's most valuable player. You honestly think he'll let him go for peanuts? Just a quick
search online and you'll see that he values him at 35M. Maybe he can go for 28-30, but not less.
han2503
Jun 19 2021, 10:29 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2021, 10:19 PM)

Belotti is Cairo's most valuable player. You honestly think he'll let him go for peanuts? Just a quick
search online and you'll see that he values him at 35M. Maybe he can go for 28-30, but not less.
The value of a players is dependent on how much other clubs want him
Milan can stick a 30m tag on Krunic, that does not mean that anyone will pay it
The facts are this.
There are no clubs outside of Italy who want Belotti. Only EPL teams and PSG are willing to pay big sums at this point in time. Not even Barca or Real or going to be going in heavy this summer
The club in Italy who
do want him (probably only Roma and us could be interested, Inter, Juve and Lazio are set in that department) won't go anywhere near that price tag
So tell me how Toro are going to get that kind of money for him
25m is the max he'll go for and those extra 5 will be bonuses.
han2503
Jun 19 2021, 10:29 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 18 2021, 10:19 PM)

Belotti is Cairo's most valuable player. You honestly think he'll let him go for peanuts? Just a quick
search online and you'll see that he values him at 35M. Maybe he can go for 28-30, but not less.
The value of a player is dependent on how much other clubs want him
Milan can stick a 30m tag on Krunic, that does not mean that anyone will pay it
The facts are this:
There are no clubs outside of Italy who want Belotti. Only EPL teams and PSG are willing to pay big sums at this point in time. Not even Barca or Real or going to be going in heavy this summer
The clubs in Italy who
do want him (probably only Roma and us could be interested, Inter, Juve and Lazio are set in that department) won't go anywhere near that price tag
So tell me how Toro are going to get that kind of money for him
25m is the max he'll go for and those extra 5 will be bonuses. If we offer that kind of fee it would be done. My only worry is that we'll probably go in with an insulting offer which will put us behind Roma in the race simply for pissing off Cairo
X-Offender
Jun 19 2021, 12:03 PM
Milan does not stick a 30M price tag on Krunic because the player is not worth that much and they know nobody will pay such an amount for him.
Torino do stick a 35M price tag on Belotti because the player is worth that much and they know many clubs are interested. Will they get that much in the end? Probably not, but something in the range of 25-30M as I said earlier, definitely.
His contract expires in 2022? Big deal, they'll just renew it. In fact, that's what Tuttosport reported some weeks ago. Cairo wants to extend his contract and sell him for 40-45M.
Unless of course Belotti doesn't want to renew, then I can see him going for 25M. But you said earlier that we'll never spend such amounts (28M for Tomori) this summer.
So, again, my question remains: how can we hope to sign Belotti? How can we hope to sign anybody? You say we have to be creative, but being creative only gets you the Saelemaekers' and Hauge's and Adli's of this world. And we can't go into the CL next season with such players.
X-Offender
Jun 19 2021, 12:42 PM
Anyway, the most ridiculous rumour coming from Spain, and I can't believe news outlets are reporting it, but anyway:
Some Spanish outlet said that Sergio Ramos has talked to Maldini about joining Milan. His conditions: 20M to sign the contract and then 30M salary for two years.
I don't believe the slightest in it, but if Ramos did indeed ask that money, he must be a complete and utter idiot.
han2503
Jun 19 2021, 02:31 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 19 2021, 12:03 PM)

Milan does not stick a 30M price tag on Krunic because the player is not worth that much and they know nobody will pay such an amount for him.
Torino do stick a 35M price tag on Belotti because the player is worth that much and they know many clubs are interested. Will they get that much in the end? Probably not, but something in the range of 25-30M as I said earlier, definitely.
His contract expires in 2022? Big deal, they'll just renew it. In fact, that's what Tuttosport reported some weeks ago. Cairo wants to extend his contract and sell him for 40-45M.
Unless of course Belotti doesn't want to renew, then I can see him going for 25M. But you said earlier that we'll never spend such amounts (28M for Tomori) this summer.
So, again, my question remains: how can we hope to sign Belotti? How can we hope to sign anybody? You say we have to be creative, but being creative only gets you the Saelemaekers' and Hauge's and Adli's of this world. And we can't go into the CL next season with such players.
But who are all these clubs interested in Belotti?
Only us and Roma have been linked to him and Roma are in a worse situation than us
Again, my point stands. A club can slap any price tag they want on a player, but if clubs don't deem him worth that much then nothing will happen with it. Just like nothing happened when Cairo was hoping to sell him for 100m

after his breakout season and Belotti signed that ridiculous contract, his agent should be shot btw, he wasted the best years of his career at Toro because of that contract. And for this reason, I don't think he will renew his contract. He know it's now or never for him. Berardi is in the same boat at Sassuolo imo.
And you just explained my point further re Krunic. A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay for him, and I don't see anyone coming in with the 35m you're quoting
X-Offender
Jun 19 2021, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 19 2021, 02:31 PM)

But who are all these clubs interested in Belotti?
Only us and Roma have been linked to him and Roma are in a worse situation than us
Again, my point stands. A club can slap any price tag they want on a player, but if clubs don't deem him worth that much then nothing will happen with it. Just like nothing happened when Cairo was hoping to sell him for 100m

after his breakout season and Belotti signed that ridiculous contract, his agent should be shot btw, he wasted the best years of his career at Toro because of that contract. And for this reason, I don't think he will renew his contract. He know it's now or never for him. Berardi is in the same boat at Sassuolo imo.
And you just explained my point further re Krunic. A player is only worth what someone is willing to pay for him, and I don't see anyone coming in with the 35m you're quoting
As I said, he probably won't be sold for 35M. But I can totally see Mourinho spending 25M for him. Can we match that offer? Because earlier you said no. Unless of course you believe Cairo will sell him for 15-20M, which to me is unthinkable.
Rossoneri7
Jun 19 2021, 06:56 PM
I'm rather impressed with Renato Sanches of Portugal. Not saying Milan should go out of the way to sign him, but if an opportunity arises
Fillipo Simone
Jun 19 2021, 07:26 PM
I'd dodge that bullet if I were Milan. His age is questionable (Taribo West anyone?), his manner and work ethic is rather sluggish. He's a great tournament sub, but for club football and a serious season with ambition I fear not.
X-Offender
Jun 19 2021, 08:14 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 19 2021, 07:26 PM)

I'd dodge that bullet if I were Milan. His age is questionable (Taribo West anyone?), his manner and work ethic is rather sluggish. He's a great tournament sub, but for club football and a serious season with ambition I fear not.
Honestly, in that pitiful Portugal midfield I thought Sanches was the only good player. And didn't he just have a good season at Lille?
Anyway, Lille paid 20M for him when he was at his lowest. Now he's worth at least 30M, i.e. out of our price range. Next.
Rossoneri7
Jun 20 2021, 07:26 AM
Looks like Milan and Maldini are running out of patience with Cala.. There are reports of Verona's Zaccagni agent negotiating with Milan.
Possible to include either Conti or Caldara in a swap.
Think it is best to snub Cala, the club needs committed players going forward.
X-Offender
Jun 20 2021, 12:32 PM
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 20 2021, 07:26 AM)

Think it is best to snub Cala, the club needs committed players going forward.
This. If I was Maldini I would have told him to f*ck off weeks ago.
Either way, if he renews, I'll never support him as a player again. To me he's the same as Dollarumma, no difference whatsoever. Only Dollarumma is a world class GK and can find another team.
Fillipo Simone
Jun 20 2021, 05:56 PM
I must say I agree. If I were Maldini I'd offer him a reduced contract now.
han2503
Jun 20 2021, 07:55 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 19 2021, 04:45 PM)

As I said, he probably won't be sold for 35M. But I can totally see Mourinho spending 25M for him. Can we match that offer? Because earlier you said no. Unless of course you believe Cairo will sell him for 15-20M, which to me is unthinkable.
I don't know if Roma will be throwing around that kind of money, Mourinho or not.
And if Roma don't raise their offer then Torino will have to budge
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jun 19 2021, 06:56 PM)

I'm rather impressed with Renato Sanches of Portugal. Not saying Milan should go out of the way to sign him, but if an opportunity arises

Don't know where he'd fit in our team though. He's an all action CM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 19 2021, 07:26 PM)

I'd dodge that bullet if I were Milan. His age is questionable (Taribo West anyone?), his manner and work ethic is rather sluggish. He's a great tournament sub, but for club football and a serious season with ambition I fear not.
He destroyed us in the first tie against Lille. He's been great all season. Sometimes players just need time. Everyone is so quick to rush and throw players away if they're past 23 and haven't exploded yet
han2503
Jun 20 2021, 07:56 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 20 2021, 05:56 PM)

I must say I agree. If I were Maldini I'd offer him a reduced contract now.
But again, who are we going to replace him with?
I'm still firmly in the camp of renew if possible
X-Offender
Jun 20 2021, 08:32 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 20 2021, 07:56 PM)

But again, who are we going to replace him with?
I'm still firmly in the camp of renew if possible
If he doesn't renew then Maldini must have an ace up his sleeve as with Maignan. We can only hope that.
Di Marzio: "At Pessina's 100th game with Atalanta, Milan will get 3 million. However, they will lose the right to earn 50% of his future sale".
I was looking at Atalanta's roster, they have 10 players participating in these Euros (plus 3 in the Copa America). We have only 3 (not counting Donnarumma anymore). Oh, how things have changed...
Rossoneri7
Jun 20 2021, 09:07 PM
Then there is Roman Yaremchuk.
Milan is targeting a striker, this one is Ukrainian, tall and plays in Sheva's Ukraine NT. And Genk.
The fact he is a Ukranian striker makes me dream big here, not necessarily the same mold as Sheva, but still.
Maldini has a lot of names still held close to his chest. Not yet revealed. So there is no need for desperation, plus the transfer window isn't open yet. Nor shut for that matter.
Milan is in the CL, meaning there shall be a reinforcement worthy of a CL team.
han2503
Jun 20 2021, 09:24 PM
The thing with this management is that they usually pull off moves out of left field
How many times have we seen this pattern now? We're linked with player X for months and then suddenly we sign player Y out of nowhere.
To me, it seems like even Di Marzio and Romano only know what's happening when a move is practically done already.
This is why I think that we should remain calm for now. I'm pretty sure we were never even after De Paul either.
han2503
Jun 20 2021, 09:25 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 20 2021, 08:32 PM)

If he doesn't renew then Maldini must have an ace up his sleeve as with Maignan. We can only hope that.
Di Marzio: "At Pessina's 100th game with Atalanta, Milan will get 3 million. However, they will lose the right to earn 50% of his future sale".
I was looking at Atalanta's roster, they have 10 players participating in these Euros (plus 3 in the Copa America). We have only 3 (not counting Donnarumma anymore). Oh, how things have changed...
I would argue that Calabria, Tomori and most egregious of all - Theo - should be there
Plus 2 of our best players play in the AFCON, not the Euros.
X-Offender
Jun 20 2021, 11:46 PM
Looks like Brahim on loan is a done deal, according to Sky.
There have also been circulating rumours that Calhanoglu's agent proposed him to Inter. Bruh...
Fillipo Simone
Jun 21 2021, 08:41 AM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 20 2021, 10:32 PM)

If he doesn't renew then Maldini must have an ace up his sleeve as with Maignan. We can only hope that.
Di Marzio: "At Pessina's 100th game with Atalanta, Milan will get 3 million. However, they will lose the right to earn 50% of his future sale".
I was looking at Atalanta's roster, they have 10 players participating in these Euros (plus 3 in the Copa America). We have only 3 (not counting Donnarumma anymore). Oh, how things have changed...
If you don't count Donnarumma you should count Maignan. Which makes it four. Also, Calabria and Hernandez both deserved a callup, perhaps even Tomori as well, whereas our starting XI has two African players.
But yeah, Atalanta looks very good nowadays. Hopefully they'll wane somehow, starting with their attack.
Fillipo Simone
Jun 21 2021, 08:43 AM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jun 20 2021, 11:25 PM)

I would argue that Calabria, Tomori and most egregious of all - Theo - should be there
Plus 2 of our best players play in the AFCON, not the Euros.
Sorry, didn't notice you said the exact same thing as me
X-Offender
Jun 21 2021, 09:58 AM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 21 2021, 08:41 AM)

If you don't count Donnarumma you should count Maignan. Which makes it four. Also, Calabria and Hernandez both deserved a callup, perhaps even Tomori as well, whereas our starting XI has two African players.
But yeah, Atalanta looks very good nowadays. Hopefully they'll wane somehow, starting with their attack.
I did count Maignan. Doesn't that make it 3? Maignan, Rebic and Kjaer. Ah, right, Calhanoglu as well, but the tw@t is close to joining Inter...
So, what do you guys think of Zaccagni? Looks like he might be the new AM. Personally speaking, I think we're going nowhere with such names. Mind you, he's a decent player, but we need else if we want to return big. And you can't do that with such players like Zaccagni...
Fillipo Simone
Jun 21 2021, 12:51 PM
Well man, you're pushing it to look more drastic. Hakan is still a Milan player. He was selected on basis of him MILAN performances, so yes, he should definitively be counted in. Donna + Hakan + Rebić + Kjaer + Dalot = 5.
William405
Jun 21 2021, 02:11 PM
Calahanoglu to Inter seems serious.
Another player lost on a free transfer to Inter of all clubs.
Honestly, given the pandemic situation, I don't think that Maldini should be the one to blame here. The two players played hardball and didn't want to accept legitimate offers of renewal.
Honestly, I'm happy about it, because players like this don't deserve to be wearing the Milan jersey and clearly don't want to be here anymore. Calhanoglu has been average for us at best, but it is true that he is the only one that can occupy this position and therefore was crucial for the way we played. I hope we can get Diaz and another attacking midfielder...but I can't really think of anyone at the moment.
William405
Jun 21 2021, 02:20 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jun 21 2021, 11:58 AM)

I did count Maignan. Doesn't that make it 3? Maignan, Rebic and Kjaer. Ah, right, Calhanoglu as well, but the tw@t is close to joining Inter...
So, what do you guys think of Zaccagni? Looks like he might be the new AM. Personally speaking, I think we're going nowhere with such names. Mind you, he's a decent player, but we need else if we want to return big. And you can't do that with such players like Zaccagni...
Hmmm I like what I saw on youtube...but I agree with you that he won't be a step up at least not next season. But, you never know...he might be explosive with us...in any case it's a bet rather than an insurance.
X-Offender
Jun 21 2021, 02:39 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jun 21 2021, 12:51 PM)

Well man, you're pushing it to look more drastic. Hakan is still a Milan player. He was selected on basis of him MILAN performances, so yes, he should definitively be counted in. Donna + Hakan + Rebić + Kjaer + Dalot = 5.
Whatever. My point still remains.
Capanoglu to Inter is confirmed by the mercenary himself, said to some Turkish outlet he will fly to Milano tomorrow to sign the new contract. Good riddance.
Fillipo Simone
Jun 21 2021, 03:51 PM
Indeed.
X-Offender
Jun 21 2021, 04:56 PM
Let's look at our starting line-up right now:
Maignan
Calabria - Kjaer - Tomori - Theo
Kessie - Bennacer
XXX - YYY - Rebic
Zlatan
We need to fill those missing spots with two quality signings. And I mean players with international appeal and experience. People were not very warm about De Paul for instance, but he's playing as a starter alongside Messi in the Copa America. That's what I call international appeal. Zaccagni has barely played for the Azzurri.
And I'm being optimistic here because honestly Rebic is not good enough to be a starter, in my opinion.
Then there's the whole subs discussion. Vice-Calabria, vice-Theo, Romagnoli's renewal, Tonali, Brahim, the other CFs. Maldini has an insane summer ahead of him...
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