I'm not just saying you, but a lot of people already are.

Also Nesta is very injury prone, so an injury is the norm in his case. Nothin is certain. And maybe I've been reading too much football forums lately which are questioning the "new" Milan a lot which in-turn has given me all these different scenarios to think about, and all these worries being put in my head....

Like I said, I'm holding my judgement for later on, as to how close to Inter we are. But If I'm proven wrong I'll gladly say so.

I've already got an Ibrahimovic signature to show that I have been wrong in the past, so I stick to my word. If this turns out to be a good season for us, I'll gladly admit I was wrong

Hello,


I worked a little to see how much our striker did score a goals :

INZAGHI App Goals
Piacenza FC 2 0
Albinoleffe 21 13
Hellas Verona 36 13
Piacenza FC 37 15
AC Parma 15 2
Atalanta BC 33 24
Juventus 120 57
AC Milan 132 45
Italija 57 25
453 194


PATO
Internacional 10 6
AC Milan 56 26
Brazil 8 1
74 33


IBRAHIMOVIC
Malmö FF 40 16
Ajax 74 35
Juventus 70 23
Inter 88 57
FC Barcelona 29 16
301 147


RONALDHINO
Grêmio 110 37
PSG 55 17
FC Barcelona 207 94
A.C. Milan 65 20
Brazil 87 32
524 200


ROBHINO
Santos 111 46
Real Madrid 101 25
Manchester City 41 14
→ Santos 2 0
Brazil U23 8 3
Brazil 80 25
343 113



TOTAL APP/ GOALS 1695/ 574
This 5 players in totally score 2,952961672 per match

I think we have most powerfull attack in the world!!!

Can you give us a source for this?

Some of the numbers seem to be off, I just read a couple of days ago that pato got his 40 something goal against Lecce....

Yeah man, Pato has scored 43 goals with Milan, not 26.

Is that in all competitions though? It could be that Dzeko's stats are for league only?

And in regards the discussion about the ego problems of Ibra and Binho, IMO both players have something to prove this season and(hopefully) both will have a first season enthusiasm. My worry is more about the second season, because if either have an outstanding season will they hold Milan ransom for higher wages or force moves? Ibra's agent seems even worse than Roberto Assis!!!!!!

Edit: And with regards to the thread the best summer transfer was Silvio re-igniting his interest in Milan

Stats are for noobs who don't have any other way to judge forwards anyway. Stats don't say that much really. But obviously having Pato, Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho and Robinho gives us one of the better attacks out there. No stats needed to make that conclusion.

Stats are very important for strikers. Sure you can say oh he plays his @ss off for the team and helps the others out, tracks back, bla, bla, but if a striker's scoring record doesn't back that up he's not doing his job well, which is to score.

If we were talking about a defender or midfielder then I agree that stats aren't really important but for strikers it's the most important thing, because in a black and white world if you're not scoring then you're pretty much useless. No one is going to care how much effort is put into helping the team all people care about is the numbers

Well, obviously it's important for a striker to score goals. That's true. But stats can give you a wrong impression about a striker. Huntelaar scored a lot of goals in his career, but enough strikers are better than him while their stats are less impressive. Huntelaar goal ratio probably was better than Borriello's last season, but we all know Borriello actually pwns him in being a better forward (at least for AC Milan).

Is he? Borriello's goal/minute ratio was probably awful.

I'm not one for stats either, but comparisons can be made.

I'm shocked Ibra leads this by a mile. Robinho by a mile for me.

Really

I'm still holding my breath over him, he's talking a lot of cr@p to the media right now, I'm wondering how he'll handle not being the regular starter...

Ibra imo is more of a sure thing, while Robinho still remains a mystery as to how he'll adapt to the league, how he's going to handle himself etc, etc. This is not City, he cannot act like an immature brat and go running off to Brazil the moment things don't go his way

Not that I'm doubting you, but I'm just curious as to what sort of things exactly he has said?

We are talking about Robinho here, right?!

Decently cool video

http://www.vimeo.com/14643023

Yep I'll try to find some of the articles I've read. But in short he's just talking cr@p about city and how the coaches there didn't understand him and how it's too cold and dark over in Manchester... What did he really expect? The Hawiian tropics? It's not like Milan is the warmet place to live in either. And how Robinho is a star and can't sit on the bench (yes he talks about himself in the 3rd person too ) Imo he should shut his mouth and concentrate on Milan and playing well for us to justify why he should be a starter. Less talk more action.

han, you're overreacting a little. He's never said he'll be a starter. All he's been doing so far is praising our attack, and telling everyone how happy and motivated he is. Coming to Milan is an important turn in his career, so obviously he'll go mouthing off about it, who wouldn't?

He didn't say he wanted to be a starter at Milan, he was talking about Man City, saying that "Robinho cannot sit on the bench because he's a star" Yes in the third person

And do you seriously think that he'll want to sit on the bench at Milan? Allegri will have to work a lot of magic to keep all four of our attackers happy.

All I'm saying is he should shut up, stop talking about Man City, concentrate on what he does on the field and show them what they're missing through that. Mouthing off will only make him look bad, especially if he cannot deliver the goods on the field for us

I'm with han on this one, he should let his football do the talking especially since he hasn't played a single minute yet.

Oh, like we don't know yet that Robinho is a world class player.

World Class players have flopped before when moving leagues/switching teams. It's not uncommon.

Also I find it so strange that you hate all that Dinho stands for, going as far as to criticise the way he dresses, but have no problems with Robinho, who has an attitude problem that Dinho certainly doesn't have and while Dinho has been one of our most important players for over a year, Robinho hasn't even played a single minute for us, and is yet to justify all the praise being heeped on him.

Lets say you got fired from your job, and you're walking out of your office and a reporter appears out of nowhere and wants to know your thoughts. Don't pretend like you wouldn't tell them what happened.

Thats exactly what Ibra and Robinho are. Disgruntled ex-employees. For my taste they are talking a bit much (especially Ibra) but I don't believe they are acting outside of how a normal person would.

Never mind how they dress or act outside of the pitch, I've always been a fan of Robinho. Every time I've seen him play, I've been impressed by his skills and desire to win. Unlike Dinho, he hasn't won as much trophies and is still very hungry for glory, which he clearly delivers on the field. Dinho is way too inconsistent for me to appreciate him. But if he manages to keep the same intensity throughout most of the season as in the game against Lecce, then I'll become his greatest fan.



+1

It's not the same. Both had a hand at getting "fired" if you want to call it that. Robinho acted like a spoiled brat once things didn't go his way, he left for Brazil to celebrate his birthday, on supposed "family problems". While Ibra obviously had major issues with his coach, and only the most naive person on the face of the earth would believe that Ibra had nothing to do with that friction.

Imo all 4 parties had their fare share of wrong doing. They're Milan players now, so why bother with taking jabs at your old club at every possible opportunity.


We'll see, no one is questioning his talent. But until he starts performing like the star he is for us, he should shut his mouth, when he does start to perform to that standard he can rub City's face in it all he wants

I am hopeful over Robinho and here is why. When he signed for Man City he was the only what you might call world class star. Also i wouldnt doubt that their intended signing of Ricky wasnt whispered in his ear. That deal fell through, he became the single player in the spolight with all Man City's fans hopes and dreams pinned on him, it was up to him to drag his team to top of league, to win anything they could that season. And it wouldnt just be the fans, would be the board etc etc. I remember some games where you could actually see it in his face, the "i cant do it alone lads!" expression.

He is now not the only star at Milan, all the weight is not on his shoulders. He is part of a huge team, with big stars all over the pitch. I hope he can flourish in this environment where he wont have to play every game, where it will not be down only to him to make the team successful. Hopefully he can enjoy the playing time he gets, enjoy his football and show us what we know he can do.

1: Brazilians generally thrive in Serie A - Robinho is a world class forward who showed in a league unsuitable for him just how good he can be. I'd rather have him in my team than Messi.

2: Ibra has a reputation of going missing in the big matches. If by sure thing you mean it's a sure thing that we can't be that sure what to expect of him bar inconsistency, then I agree. He can be so so great, but he can equally be anonymous and inneffective. He also has an ego the size of Manhattan and thinks he's better than he is.

You don't pay £160,000 a week and £34M for someone to warm the bench, tbf.
As for third person, who cares?



I'd play:

Robinho-----------Ronaldinho
---------Pato
--------------Ibra



And if he can, fans like you will forget anything he says in the press.

Footballers are hot air blowhards who talk crap to the press. Always have, always will.

To play with all four means you have to field two defensive midfielders that mostly defend. That will leave Pirlo out and thatt's why we won't play like that. Maybe only when we are down in the second half.

1. Really? Robinho over Messi? And there have been Brazilians in the past who have failed in Serie A. Robinho is obviously a great player who had a great season in the EPL which is where Brazilians usually struggle, so I'm not really that worried about him flopping, but you can never be sure...

2. Ibra has a reputation of underperforming in the CL. Not in the big league games, last season he scored against Real, h always used to do the job in the derbies for Inter and against the other big teams. For league play Ibra imo is a 100% certain success. He won Inter the league twice nearly all on his own. Their tactics before he left, especially under Mancini was punt the ball up to Ibra and he'll do the job.


That only means that he's an over paid egomaniac...

He sat on the bench for a reason during his second season, not because he's not a good enough player, but because of the behind the scenes issues he was having with his coaches.


That would get ripped apart!!

The laziest front line in football by far! No one to track back the midfield would be under immense pressure. Also it would mean having to drop Pirlo to play the 2 pure DMs and if you have seen Pirlo playing in the last 3 weeks the last thing you'd want to do is to drop him


If he performs well for Milan I'm sure no one would forget him, no matter how much cr@p he talks to the press

han, I think it's time for you to...

I love that guy!!!

Also I think all of you won't admit that I'm right is because you're fans of his. People who aren't biased would agree with me. Robinho is a great player but can be a downright $£^%£&£$% if he's not getting his way.

Ask the City fans how they feel about him, I'm sure they have a lot of colorful adjectives to describe him

Have you seen how he's become now? *sigh*

dollar sign and the pound sign!


Han's got some serious cash

Sorry to point score, but tonight's display is why I didn't jump on your and others' Ibra bandwagon.

That said Robinho didn't really get into the game much either.

Um, fair enough, but let's not get to far ahead of ourselves. The party's just started, the players haven't nearly had any respectable amount of time to gel together, and understand each other. Let's take the middle road for the time being, and convene here in January 2011.

Well a sure thing is a sure thing, including the debut. And on his debut he was poor. The only sure thing about Ibra is he's inconsistent. Can be as awful as he can brilliant.

True, but judging the squad/management after a game or two will just keep us running around in circles. We won't get anywhere. Things like Allegri is the best thing since sliced bread after our 4-0 win, or a particular player is a garbage can after our second match sure seem dramatic, but they are awfully far from the truth. Now if performance like this continues (hopefully not) for a month of two straight on, they I too will have second thoughts.

However I do completely agree with your comment that Ibra is quite inconsistent. Always has been like this!

I don't understand how Ibra was bad?

With ronaldinho being closed down quickly and pirlo doing long balls,plus all the different catastrophes going on all around him basically had no service apart from a few link ups with pato.

He saw holes in the midfield and tried to fill them by dropping deep and worked hard,i thought he and pato were our best players easily.

It might be time to give that thrice damned X-Mas tree a look in. Ibra and Ronnie need to drop back, with Pato at the head of the trident.

Ibra has been training with the team for 1 day!! He also had a goal wrongly disallowed yesterday, so there

I'm not Ibra fanboy, in fact I barely even wanted him at Milan, but no one can deny that at league play he's a sure thing. Obviosuly there will be games he won't score in Robinho nearly had an entire half to play, all I saw him doing was running into brick walls...

Both need time to adjust. Even though everyone (including th players) seemed to have the idea in their head that they would come on yesterday and score 3 goals each They're both going to need time to integrate themselves into the team, learn how the others on the team move, etc

yea ibra wasn't even that bad this past game. should've hit his penalty. But if he had just sat up front statically, not dropped for the ball, and just isolate himself and let the midfield struggle, im sure plenty here would have bemoaned his laziness. With a player like Ibra, no matter what he wont be able to do right by some people.

I didnt want him here (at the expense of Edin), but it's no fair to say he played badly. The real problems were certainly not him.

in fact, like Jack's just suggested, Ibra in a "forlan for uruguay"-like role could possibly be his best fit.

If you hadn't included 4 pathetic roll eyes, I'd have read this post.

Your previous post warrented all 4...

One thing is clear, you're a bigger Ibra whore than I am a Robinho whore.

Talking fish, penguins, polar bears, now we have whores ..

Read through my posts before that signing happened and through some posts on this very thread and you'll know how much of an Ibra 'wh@re' I am.

I didn't want him at Milan simple, I didn't want Robinho at Milan either. Both could cause problems for us internally that we don't need, yet both are here and I have to live with it. With that said, I hate both equally but can see what Ibra has done for all the teams he's been part of, he's a monster at league play, no one can deny that

Edit, btw, the signature pic, is because I LOST a bet, so I'm stuck with it for a couple of weeks.

Maybe you lost that bet on purpose.

Yeah right

Can't wait to get him off of there!!!!

Especially since it says "Milna"

Like I said, I had no input in the making of the signature

That's worse that you being an Ibra whore. I guess it's where we differ - I don't hate any Milan players, including Ibra. I will support them completely. I don't know how any Milan fan could hate any of our players, but there you go.