That could mean any one of the three of us in this scenario.

Well I was using that to express my newly found suffering

But if you want to apply it to your own situation than by all means

@ x-off, how can you not believe those stories man? The arrogance we went into that game with was astonishing, from all involved not just the club. Rino giving the "hold you later" slaps to the trophy as they came out before the game started was also a very clear indication of this

I wholeheartedly believe that they did celebrate during that HT interval

I know. But like I said, it could apply to any of the three of us in the scenario. You know, if I have to explain every joke I make to you, we'll be here till Milan win the Scudetto again.



As do most. The first half was collosal - and unfortunately it went to their heads at HT and they threw it away.

Yeah, I understood, which is why I followed it with that other line

I'm slow, but not that slow

Arrogance? What arrogance? Everyone completely discredited us after that loss in Eindhoven, almost treating us like underdogs. If anything, we played a very humble first half, showing extreme dedication and application on the pitch.

It was only that phrase from Traoré saying he overheard us celebrating at half-time which stirred up the controversy. I remember when Gattuso was told of this some time later, he became furious, saying everyone at half-time in the locker room was very tense and concentrated, and that the celebration rumors were absolute horseshit. And Rino is someone I would trust any time. He's not a liar. And we were not a group of people that would stand so low.

I don't remember once ever reading an article at that time depicting us as the underdogs.

The game vs PSV was ridiculous, but everyone could see how much more quality we had in our team than Liverpool.

I remember one particular article where they first compared the 2 cities the clubs hail from, the not so stellar reputation of Liverpool vs the opulence of Milan, and then going on to use that as a metaphor for comparing the rugged players of Liverpool vs the class we had throughout the team at that time. Let's not forget, it wasn't just about Kaka, Sheva, Pirlo and Seedorf. Maldini, Nesta, Stam and Cafu made up that defence. A defence which had not been breached for I don't know how many games before the PSV away game.

Well, I do, from English tabloids. About how this Milan wasn't as fearsome as some thought it was. They didn't exactly treat us like underdogs, but they put us down.

But regardless, the arrogance Danny talks about, I didn't see it at all. So, Gattuso made a gesture to the trophy and suddenly we're all twats? Nah... Those players had class, they knew how to respect their opponent, and if anything the La Coruña game had taught them a lesson about not taking things lightly again.

But when everything happens so fast, in only six minutes, you tend to black out, and all sorts of crap can happen.

With all due respect, the Traore comment was after the match. What need was there for HIM to lie and cause mind games when they'd already won the trophy?

I don't know and I don't care. Maybe he's a tw@t. You'd believe Traoré over Gattuso, or any of our other players, who also denied such thing?

If you don't care, there's nowhere for this debate to go.

Agreed. Good post.

https://www.facebook.com/ACMilan/videos/vb....e=2&theater

Anyone see the new kits they're marketing already for the next season? Well this got me upset. I thought the English cross is a one season joke, but for Christ sake, here it comes again.

Were those the ones we were playing with last night? They looked different... Or have I not been paying attention so much so that I don't remember what our current kit looks like?

Because last night's seemed different

And yeah, totally agree about the cross

Yep, I think those were the new ones.

Doye: 'Confident of Mr. Bee Deal'

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Wow, really? Why are so many Rossoneri confusing the St Ambrose flag, the flag of the patron saint of Milan, with the English St George's Cross?

I'm fully aware it's the St. Amborse flag. Yet in common language it is called the English cross. Also, one could argue that the St Ambrose flag derived from the St George's Cross. But anyhow.

We have the cross integrated into our own crest, so there's absolutely no need to play 2 seasons in a row like this. And yes, before you say it, I'm also aware that we used to, back in the begginings, play with the same cross on our shirt. But we have a crest now for decades and I think we should stick to it.

Oh I'm with you on this, I can't stand it on the shirt. It really appalls me. I love the proper crest, this is just an idiotic gimmick.

PS St Ambrose flag originated around 900AD whereas St George's showed up a century later.

So it's actually the other way around. The flag of Genoa was also inspired by St Ambrose.

But isn't the patron of Genoa St George?

Thing is, as far as I know, in heraldry the cross is called "English cross". But your input surely is more accurate.

As far as debates go, this is maybe the most pointless one we've ever had!

Let's just agree on the fact that, origin aside, that damn flag shouldn't be on our shirt

Agreed.

So, new shirt numbers are here. I warn all of you who will probably think I'm nitpicking, but I don't like this one bit for many reasons. Firstly, the list:



Why I dislike it?

1) The big numbers are still there, and IMO it's completely unnecessary. For Christ sake, give Donna the 12, Berto, Bacca and Calabria decent normal numbers.

2) It goes against Milan tradition. Numbers like the "5" (Billy Costacurta's number) wasn't given to a defender (but rather Bonaventura??), the Pirlo "21" ended up with Vangioni while the "22" (usually striker number) went to Gabriel. Very disappointed with that lack of feeling.

3) A complete travesty is that Honda kept his 10 and Lapadula got the 9. Is this guy really that kind of a relevation? I mean how good can a mid-aged Serie B striker be?

I agree with your nit-picking, sadly these number choices show the state of affairs at this moment.

I'm still hoping that we can send a couple of players on loan and sell a few more. Mauri imo needs to be sent to another Serie A side where he will get consistant playing time. Maybe to Genoa seeing as both Niang and Suso benefitted greatly from their time there. Same with Locatelli and Ely. They're not going to get playing time here and to keep them sitting on the bench is a waste.

Guys like Poli, Matri, Vergara and Honda need to be sold ASAP as none of them are good enough and never will be.

Why the hell does Bacca keep insisting with #70??? I thought he chose that number because #7 was occupied by Menez last season, but now it's free. Plus he wore #9 at Sevilla.

Moreover, why the hell did Adriano switch from #9 to #87??? Is he for real?

I really, really hate large shirt numbers, more than anyone of you guys. And this is simply unacceptable.

PS: Seems pathetic that we're arguing about shirt numbers when we have much bigger issues at hand, but some things just bother you no matter what.

Yeah, agreed.

I can only guess that Bacca didn't take the #9 or wasn't offered the number because both he and the club thought he'd be leaving and I'm guessing Adriano will be sold as well (Porto are interested and with Bacca staying we have too many strikers for one position)

Don't get Donna and Calabria though.

I also read that Adriano might be leaving. But now that Bacca is certainly staying he could have picked #7.

You know, this ordeal of large numbers happens only in Italy. In Spain, for example, it's not allowed to have numbers greater than the number of players you have in your team, whereas in England and Germany big numbers are only taken by players that come from the youth team and that rarely play an official match. But in Italy eveyone has them, not just here at Milan. They should put a rule against it or something.

It's probably not a pet peeve for the people at the Lega

In case you want to design or vote our 3rd kit for the next season:

http://www.global.adidas.com/creatorstudio...rStudio_-pc:crm

"La Stampa": Galliani has decided to leave Milan with th arrival of the Chinese. Berlusconi has convinced him.

Whether he stays or leaves, the important thing is that the mercato won't be in his charge anymore.

Most reports saying that Fassone is looking for a sporting director who will be the one to handle that side of things.

Also, reports saying that the new owners will decide whether or not to invest heavily in the winter based on our position by then, if we're already lagging too far behind most of the efforts to sign players will be postponed to the summer

I get the feeling this new consortium is eager to cut a distinct line between the old administration and the new one. That's why Galliani can't even offer deals for loan + obligation, and that's why we haven't renewed some of the expired sponsorship deals (this will be a great way for them to funnel money into the club with new sponsors with companies that make up the consortium). I get the feeling they're looking to start fresh next summer. Which is a total let down for us, but if things are done right we could be in for a great future.

Galliani has invited Milan's future CEO Marco Fassone for Serie A opener at San Siro against Torino but the latter rejected. [CorSera]

I get it. He's representing the new consortium and as such with nothing official he can't come in just yet.

Indeed. It's not like he's doing it to disrespect Galliani or anything.

Umberto Gandini won't be a part of the new Milan and will head to Roma.
[MilanNews]

Him, Galliani and Barbara are all out last I heard. I'm sure other upper management staff will be moved on as well.

This is great news for us, especially once we finally see the back of Galliani

And I'll finally be able to change my sig.

I think it's safe to do it already

Btw. what do you guys think of Fassone?
Anyone up for opening a "management" thread?

I hate the fact that he is ex-Interista. Appreciate the fact that he's got a heavy background in marketing. But in the end it's the staff he appoints that will decide how things go from here.

Let's be clear..not one player..NOT 1 player that our coach has asked for have we got. The top clubs have often gotten more than half the players their coach wants signed and delivered in time for pre-season.

UEFA's new coefficient: Under the new rules City have fallen from 11th to 16th. Man United went from 20th to 12th and Milan from 25th to 9th. #Mail

9th? Good god, what have we achieved to deserve such a placement.

It was some master maneuvering from some of the main club's football reps. Essentially it considered the 'heritage' of the club in European competition when giving coefficients. Apparently David Gill was behind the lobbying.

When we talk heritage in Europe, we pretty much stomp on everyone except Madrid.

It's a great way for irrelevant dinosaurs like us to get an unfair advantage. Like Jack says, Gill/Man Utd are in the same boat.

So this is just a marginal topic but...

I find it somehow funny how both Alex and Mexes didn't find a team to sign for after Milan. They are old and shabby, but anyway... A strange way to end a footballing career, yes?

They were high earners, they propably couldn't face the fact that they would have to earn 200% less wherever they would be going. I'm sure they had offers, none they would like.

It's still strange, because now they have none.