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acid911
Pazzini, Matri and Robinho are a sheer waste considering their position in the squad, and expected play time each of these will probably be getting throughout the season. sleep.gif None should have been over 2m. Shaarawy at 2.4, well can't say, but the less said about Muntari the better. Abate, however, should be earning 2m or up.

The rest is standard affair, but some trimming in personnel is needed, agreed, Han.
kurtsimonw
We pay 30m more than Napoli? lol
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 9 2013, 10:54 AM) *
We pay 30m more than Napoli? lol

Well, Napoli are only just now really signing top players who are already on big wages. But by next summer I expect that to sky rocket.

I just wonder how sustainable it is for teams like Fiorentina and Roma who won't be in the CL year in year out and unlike us and Inter, they don't really have strong revenue streams.

But let's face it, our biggest problem is Galliani here. Looking at how other teams structure their wages and then looking at ours is just atrocious stuff.

Giving a 1.2m per year for 4 years to Traore for example when no one had ANY idea what type of player he was aside from "midfielder" just shows you the type of strategy we're using in this department. rolleyes.gif
Jack Bauer
Napoli also have only 24 players on their first team. Galliani should call them and ask how such inconceivable thing is even possible ohmy.gif dry.gif
X-Offender
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 9 2013, 11:31 AM) *
Pazzini, Matri and Robinho are a sheer waste considering their position in the squad, and expected play time each of these will probably be getting throughout the season. sleep.gif None should have been over 2m. Shaarawy at 2.4, well can't say, but the less said about Muntari the better. Abate, however, should be earning 2m or up.

The rest is standard affair, but some trimming in personnel is needed, agreed, Han.


Pazzini scored 15 goals for us last season in 30 appearances, a good part of which were not full games. I'd say he totally justifies his wage. Robinho and Matri are the real waste here, along with the various Birsa, Zaccardo, Coppola etc. who are just excess baggage.
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 9 2013, 03:58 PM) *
Giving a 1.2m per year for 4 years to Traore for example when no one had ANY idea what type of player he was aside from "midfielder" just shows you the type of strategy we're using in this department.

Strategy? huh.gif It shows that we have zero strategy in this department.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 9 2013, 05:59 PM) *
Pazzini scored 15 goals for us last season in 30 appearances, a good part of which were not full games. I'd say he totally justifies his wage. Robinho and Matri are the real waste here, along with the various Birsa, Zaccardo, Coppola etc. who are just excess baggage.

Nah, I'm not talking about his performance, which is top notch. smile.gif I was talking about his role in the team, and that is of a bench player instead of a starting one. And unless we get some serious injury again in the second half of the season, I doubt he would make the first XI. Agreed about Matri and Robinho, along with excess baggage.

All these players could be better managed, allowing us to sign a quality player in key positions every season.
servbot
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 9 2013, 07:59 AM) *
Pazzini scored 15 goals for us last season in 30 appearances, a good part of which were not full games. I'd say he totally justifies his wage. Robinho and Matri are the real waste here, along with the various Birsa, Zaccardo, Coppola etc. who are just excess baggage.


Seriously. I wish I could get paid 200,000 euro for a year of doing absolutely nothing. Lucky guys.
han2503
QUOTE (acid911 @ Sep 9 2013, 03:18 PM) *
Strategy? huh.gif It shows that we have zero strategy in this department.


Nah, I'm not talking about his performance, which is top notch. smile.gif I was talking about his role in the team, and that is of a bench player instead of a starting one. And unless we get some serious injury again in the second half of the season, I doubt he would make the first XI. Agreed about Matri and Robinho, along with excess baggage.

All these players could be better managed, allowing us to sign a quality player in key positions every season.

Yeah, strategy was totally the wrong word. biggrin.gif

Agreed about the wages. Pazzini though was not a bench player when we signed him so it's understandable. As for Robinho although 2.5m was not the sum quoted by Gazetta themselves when the renewal happened, it was higher, at least 2.5m is slightly more acceptable to the 4m he was earning last season.

Matri imo is the ultimate mistake. He shouldn't have been bought to begin with but to give him that kind of salary on top of the ridiculous transfer fee we paid is just mind boggling stuff, really wonder what sort of educational institution gave Galliani his Phd, I might actually apply there rolleyes.gif
X-Offender
Yeah, Matri was completely WTF stuff, I think we can all agree on that.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 9 2013, 02:59 PM) *
Pazzini scored 15 goals for us last season in 30 appearances, a good part of which were not full games. I'd say he totally justifies his wage. Robinho and Matri are the real waste here, along with the various Birsa, Zaccardo, Coppola etc. who are just excess baggage.

+1

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Sep 9 2013, 09:59 PM) *
Yeah, Matri was completely WTF stuff, I think we can all agree on that.

Yeah, it was a "gift".

So what's the contract expiration status? Which players are in the final year with their contract?
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 9 2013, 10:04 PM) *
+1


Yeah, it was a "gift".

So what's the contract expiration status? Which players are in the final year with their contract?

Last I read it was: Abate, Silvestre (end of loan), Coppola, Abbiati, Urby

I'd only keep Abate
TriniKing_CE
Throwback pic of Poli & SES:

TriniKing_CE
Serie A - Top Wages (by Club) - Number of squad players (by club) & Total Wages in League (by Season)

kurtsimonw
Udinese are an admirable club. The way they're run is truly 2nd to none in my opinion.
milanbuf88
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 10 2013, 02:24 AM) *
Udinese are an admirable club. The way they're run is truly 2nd to none in my opinion.


Their wage bill is absolutely minuscule. How much do Di Natale and Muriel make?
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Sep 10 2013, 07:31 AM) *
Their wage bill is absolutely minuscule. How much do Di Natale and Muriel make?

Google search says: Di Natale is on 1.3m while Muriel is on 300,000.
milanbuf88
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 10 2013, 02:47 AM) *
Google search says: Di Natale is on 1.3m while Muriel is on 300,000.


Wow. Given how many goals Di Natale has scored the past few seasons he is probably better value for the money than any player we have. Also gotta love having **** back up players making over three times how much Muriel makes. Galliani really messed up with all of the large contracts to bad players.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Sep 10 2013, 12:05 AM) *
Last I read it was: Abate, Silvestre (end of loan), Coppola, Abbiati, Urby

I'd only keep Abate

We'll see. The named players ain't that much of a baggage, I expected more. Let's see if Urby can improve throughout this season as leftback (I doubt it, but let's wait and see). We still have to rate Silvestre - I'd give him an honest shot with us. Coppola will most probably go, Abbiati - well it depends if we can sign someone new, like Perin.

Yes, Abate is a must-stay.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Sep 10 2013, 08:24 AM) *
Udinese are an admirable club. The way they're run is truly 2nd to none in my opinion.

Yes, but only in terms of wages and transfers. In footballing terms...I wish they end up 10th or 11th.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Sep 10 2013, 10:05 AM) *
Yes, but only in terms of wages and transfers. In footballing terms...I wish they end up 10th or 11th.

They usually finish in a European place though, which is really amazing. They should get relegated really.
Jack Bauer
Jack Sparrow
We have extended our deal with adidas for another 10 years till 2023. No idea about the financials involved. The previous was one of the larger contract deals netting us 20 million a season. No clue about the new one.

Official Confirmation
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 9 2013, 04:03 PM) *
We have extended our deal with adidas for another 10 years till 2023. No idea about the financials involved. The previous was one of the larger contract deals netting us 20 million a season. No clue about the new one.

Official Confirmation

Hopefully it's even better, we really need every cent we can get...
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 9 2013, 09:07 PM) *
Hopefully it's even better, we really need every cent we can get...

I doubt it is. mellow.gif Just a sad hunch, nothing solid, but going by our performances, man, you can't say!
han2503
QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 9 2013, 05:47 PM) *
I doubt it is. mellow.gif Just a sad hunch, nothing solid, but going by our performances, man, you can't say!

But this is a long term contract, how we're performing now shouldn't have much bearing on it imo.
Jack Sparrow
Aite, I got some figures off twitter.


Milan: 33.8 MM euro (Adidas + FlyEmirates)
Inter 31.4 MM euro (Nike + Pirelli)
Juve 28 MM euro (Nike + Jeep)


I think I was wrong, and we were not on 20 million a year. Instead we were at 10.5 million. This has instead been increased to 20 million a year from adidas alone. The 20 million a year figure I stated was what we were getting total from shirt sponsorship.

Our Fly Emirates sponsorship was a 52 million contract spread over 4 years. Hence we get the final figures above.

I don't know about Juventus, but I do know that Inter's sum is post their 10 year renegotiation. So we are now officially the top earners from shirt revenue in Serie A.

How do we stand relative to others? Badly.

The top earner from shirt sponsors is Madrid with 49 million Euros from their adidas+Emirates deal. wacko.gif

Manchester United might soon top that, because there is talk of a deal netting them 76 million a year approximately. That is getting negotiated, but they're not able to tie it down. SAF's departure might just have affected it even.
X-Offender
De Jong during his injury. El Shaarawy during his injury.

TriniKing_CE
laugh.gif smh... sleep.gif
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 25 2013, 10:25 PM) *
De Jong during his injury. El Shaarawy during his injury.


Just because the guy is a commercial goldmine atm does not mean he's not putting in the work necessary to get back to fitness.
William405
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2013, 12:23 PM) *
Just because the guy is a commercial goldmine atm does not mean he's not putting in the work necessary to get back to fitness.

+1
Jack Sparrow
Considering the wages he earns and the fact that he turned down Man City to stick on in Milan, I do believe the boy is entitled to make as much money on the side as he can get..
X-Offender
He's a joke.
han2503
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2013, 10:23 AM) *
Just because the guy is a commercial goldmine atm does not mean he's not putting in the work necessary to get back to fitness.

Exactly, what should matter to any of us is that he's putting in the work necessary to recover, and I have never heard anything, even a whisper which would imply that El Shaarawy slacks off when it comes to putting the work in

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2013, 01:52 PM) *
He's a joke.

And you're strange...

Why is he a joke? Because he's good enough to have not one but multiple huge brand names wanting his name to advertise their products? Do you think if he wasn't good enough they'd want him? Do you see Muntari or Bonera getting huge advertisement deals?
X-Offender
Because he cares more about his name and looks than getting better on the pitch. And he's overrated.
Fillipo Simone
And how do you know that? He skipped his recovery training or what did he exactly do?

Are you taking those pictures that serious? They're funny, that's about it, if you ask me.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2013, 04:07 PM) *
Because he cares more about his name and looks than getting better on the pitch. And he's overrated.

As Fillipo said, how would you know this? Just because he has ridiculous hair that makes him someone who cares about frivolous things and someone who does not work hard?

It's a bit of a ridiculous assumption
X-Offender
It's my personal opinion. That's the vibe that I get from him. Football players that care much, too much about their looks are not OK in my book. At least if he had the talent to make up for it I might be OK. But he barely has any skills at all, except for pace and some decent finishing skills. Should have sold him this summer.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2013, 04:35 PM) *
Why is he a joke? Because he's good enough to have not one but multiple huge brand names wanting his name to advertise their products? Do you think if he wasn't good enough they'd want him? Do you see Muntari or Bonera getting huge advertisement deals?

It's funny that you think think sponsorships are about ability. By that logic Beckham is 10x the player Messi is, even now.

SES really doesn't have much to his game. Even his strengths, as X-Off mentioned, aren't that special. Decent pace and finished, but neither are going to scar defenders all that much.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 26 2013, 07:08 PM) *
It's funny that you think think sponsorships are about ability. By that logic Beckham is 10x the player Messi is, even now.

SES really doesn't have much to his game. Even his strengths, as X-Off mentioned, aren't that special. Decent pace and finished, but neither are going to scar defenders all that much.

Well being our top scorer last season sure made defenders think twice about how to mark him

Beckham had many things going for him, but a player has to be at a certain level in order to attract companies into investing in his name. You think all of Ronaldo's deals are based simply on the fact that he looks good? And Messi has his own very impressive amount of deals.

If every player who had a strange haircut or had good looks attracted the type of sponsorship deals that SES has, then I'd say your point was valid.
X-Offender
El Shaarawy is popular in Italy, especially among teenagers ( rolleyes.gif ), that's why he gets all the publicity. That doesn't mean he's a great player or world-class prospect.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 27 2013, 02:03 PM) *
El Shaarawy is popular in Italy, especially among teenagers ( rolleyes.gif ), that's why he gets all the publicity. That doesn't mean he's a great player or world-class prospect.

Never said he was great as of yet, he certainly has the potential to be, as for world-class. 1 good season tells us nothing and 1 bad season tells us nothing in this regard either.
TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 26 2013, 06:23 AM) *
Just because the guy is a commercial goldmine atm does not mean he's not putting in the work necessary to get back to fitness.

Agreed.

QUOTE (William405 @ Oct 26 2013, 07:18 AM) *
+1

+2

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 26 2013, 08:28 AM) *
Considering the wages he earns and the fact that he turned down Man City to stick on in Milan, I do believe the boy is entitled to make as much money on the side as he can get..

Agreed.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2013, 09:52 AM) *
He's a joke.

This seems harsh...


QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2013, 12:07 PM) *
Because he cares more about his name and looks than getting better on the pitch. And he's overrated.

I can't agree with this. This is not more than an loosely based assumption. You're entitled to your opinion, but I think this based on the fact of what the media projects more than anything else. You said it yourself, his appeal is with a younger crowd, and in my opinion because of this he is seen by the public in such a manner.

His work rate on the pitch never comes into question, so why should his time in practice be any different. I am sure he wants to improve.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 27 2013, 10:16 AM) *
Never said he was great as of yet, he certainly has the potential to be, as for world-class. 1 good season tells us nothing and 1 bad season tells us nothing in this regard either.

Agreed. Time is still on his side. We should reserve our overall judgement for him until he has had the opportunity to display what he has to offer after several seasons, not one or two!
acid911
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TriniKing_CE
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Oct 29 2013, 07:51 PM) *

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han2503
It's someone from this forum I'm sure biggrin.gif
Linkman
Maybe if we pool our money we can buy them off and the club'll be home free ohmy.gif
X-Offender
I wish I was rich. I would buy the club and coach them myself. Maybe get han as assistant. tongue.gif
Ry4n
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 26 2013, 08:07 PM) *
Because he cares more about his name and looks than getting better on the pitch. And he's overrated.

laugh.gif tbh you sound like a joke. Your a good joker!
X-Offender
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Oct 30 2013, 09:42 PM) *
laugh.gif tbh you sound like a joke. Your a good joker!


*You're
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 30 2013, 07:39 PM) *
I wish I was rich. I would buy the club and coach them myself. Maybe get han as assistant. tongue.gif

laugh.gif

We'd be great! Certainly better than the current dynamic duo coaching this side
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