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Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Aug 3 2008, 05:19 PM) *
Oh no, he actually played?
Still, it could be worse, and at least it's not his testimonial or anything.


Well, the comfort I get is that it's a friendly ... And the players are out to get their legs stretched and gain match fitness.

About Maldini, he is 40. And after such a career, I don't think it is right for us to criticize, since he is the one who has to choose if he wants to go on or retire. Yet, he deserves better than this and I hope that he wins this season and closes on a high (where he deserves).
Zed.D
Wow... I just saw the result and I'm shocked... and embarrassed! we seriously need defenders. what if Nesta injured himself in the middle of the season? while market's still open we should do something instead of talking about 'emergency situations' and 'Ambrisini as a CB'. that emergency's for when you can't go for anyone i.e. the market is closed, stupid Galliani dry.gif I know the season has not started yet but this friendlies are supposed to show our weak points. they're not for NOTHING. I'm disappointed...

QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 3 2008, 05:31 PM) *
Now... who didn't expect this kind of result?

I mean, we're talking about a strong team, a team that wants to conquer Europe and England.
Madrid, Chelsea, Inter... you know those kind of teams are miles ahead of us nowadays.

We're more worried about "class", "MilanTour" and the sponsorship with Audi. A posto così.

And the excuse of absent/injuried players... so did Chelsea. Poor squad, that's the fact.

Now let Abramovich, Moratti and co. laugh at us once again. It's becoming usual. Great season ahead.

laugh.gif Classic Porty post.
Zed.D
Just saw the goals.

OMG @ Kalac. what a disaster... I'm happy though. with these performances there's no way he's gonna get a chance in the upcoming season. he was right when he said "the pitch will be the judge" a few weeks ago rolleyes.gif


How did Ambro do in the center btw? he didn't let Galliani down, did he?
vahid
QUOTE (zdrossoneri)
How did Ambro do in the center btw? he didn't let Galliani down, did he?


I thought Ambro was a striker huh.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (vahid @ Aug 3 2008, 07:38 PM) *
i thought Ambro was a striker huh.gif


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Rossoneri7
OMG Adebayor ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

He just pranced through Madrid's defense !!
sakhratul
hahaha.. how could this happen.. ancelotti and galliani should think of a good solution so that this kind of embarassment wont happen again... although friendly result does not mean anything...
Zed.D
QUOTE (vahid @ Aug 3 2008, 09:08 PM) *
I thought Ambro was a striker huh.gif

Whatever biggrin.gif

QUOTE (sakhratul @ Aug 3 2008, 09:32 PM) *
hahaha.. how could this happen.. ancelotti and galliani should think of a good solution so that this kind of embarassment wont happen again... although friendly result does not mean anything...

The fact that a crappy striker like Anelka (my opinion) managed to score four goals against us shows we have serious problems at the back. only Nesta and Abbitai (...!) were absent, right?
han2503
I'm sure Galliani has seen this and probably also knows whats wrong but I'm sure nothing will happen in the market, Milan will stay as they are. Defensively I have never seen us put out such a horrible performance, everyone was all over the place. Kaladze was just horrible to watch, Digao was even better then him!!!!!

Yes Nesta is great but him coming back will make little difference especially when everyone around him is complete cr@p.

As for Carlo's tactics and formation, every choic he made was a bad one, Ambro as a striker with Zambrotta as some wierd sort of make shist winger/forward??? Thge minute you saw the team sheet you knew we were going to get hammered. And Kalac should be released from the team, it's not even worth it to keep him

I can't wait to hear the excuses for this one, and I know it's a pre-season friendly but there is still no excuse for the waywe played and the way we lost, no dignity what-so-ever
Portman
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 3 2008, 05:48 PM) *
OMG Adebayor ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

He just pranced through Madrid's defense !!

Reserve defence. Ramos, Pepe, Canna and Marcelo + Casillas weren't there.

And yes, it was a big laugh too though not as shameful as our result vs. Chelsea.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 3 2008, 08:44 PM) *
Reserve defence. Ramos, Pepe, Canna and Marcelo + Casillas weren't there.

And yes, it was a big laugh too though not as shameful as our result vs. Chelsea.


huh.gif


I was talking about the skill dry.gif


Portman
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Aug 3 2008, 06:45 PM) *
huh.gif


I was talking about the skill dry.gif

And I'm saying he wouldn't have done that vs. a top defence.

He's no world-class player no matter if he scores 1000 goals in the next 2 seasons. He'll never be.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 3 2008, 08:53 PM) *
And I'm saying he wouldn't have done that vs. a top defence.

He's no world-class player no matter if he scores 1000 goals in the next 2 seasons. He'll never be.


Did I say he was world class ?! huh.gif
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 3 2008, 07:53 PM) *
And I'm saying he wouldn't have done that vs. a top defence.

He's no world-class player no matter if he scores 1000 goals in the next 2 seasons. He'll never be.


Why, because he isn't or because you have to dislike him because he plays for Arsenal?
Look, the guy has scored against Man U, Liverpool, Real Madrid AND, in case you've forgotten, Milan.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Aug 3 2008, 06:56 PM) *
Why, because he isn't or because you have to dislike him because he plays for Arsenal?
Look, the guy has scored against Man U, Liverpool, Real Madrid AND, in case you've forgotten, Milan.

Can of worms = opened.
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 3 2008, 07:58 PM) *
Can of worms = opened.


Look, I'm already up to my neck in worms, another can won't make much difference.
Portman
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Aug 3 2008, 06:56 PM) *
Why, because he isn't or because you have to dislike him because he plays for Arsenal?
Look, the guy has scored against Man U, Liverpool, Real Madrid AND, in case you've forgotten, Milan.

Maxi Pereira scored Benfica's best goal during last season, against us. And he's the sh-ttiest player in their squad.

Nothing to do with Arsenal, though every single player to wear that shirt looks like a cynical ba-tard. It's just my opinion. He'll never be a player on the same level as Rooney, Torres, Trezeguet, Ibrahimovic, Nistelrooy, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, etc... world-class. Never.
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (Portikins @ Aug 3 2008, 08:02 PM) *
Maxi Pereira scored Benfica's best goal during last season, against us. And he's the sh-ttiest player in their squad.

Nothing to do with Arsenal, though every single player to wear that shirt looks like a cynical ba-tard. It's just my opinion. He'll never be a player on the same level as Rooney, Torres, Trezeguet, Ibrahimovic, Nistelrooy, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, etc... world-class. Never.


Even though he has a better goal rate than Rooney?
kurtsimonw
Rooney isn't the same type of striker, hes never going to get more than 25 league goals, in a season, in his career in my opinion.
Habitant
5-0 wtf?losing 5-0 and not scoring a goal yet is not normal, there is no excuse for it.


we were missing most of our attack but does this excuse our disgraceful defense?

yes were in rebuilding mode but what people fail to understand that it's not as simple as buying a few players and poof everything is fine. like buy ronaldinho and overnight our problems in attack are solved, and then next summer buy a world class CB and thats it problem solved. it can take years and several players to find the right mix.

like right now our mercato is good but it's about on par with the average one for all the other top clubs. we arent going to make up lost ground with this sort of effort.

our defense was old 4 years and and here we are and nothings been done, and we have no one in our system that can step up and become a starter.

it goes to show how fragile this team is.
vahid
Our next friendly game is against ManCity,i think 9th of august
I hope to see a better Milan,and a chance to Dida wink.gif
Portman
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Aug 3 2008, 07:10 PM) *
Even though he has a better goal rate than Rooney?

I think Ade scored more goals than Torres. Still the spaniard is world-class.
Diavolo
QUOTE (vahid @ Aug 3 2008, 06:38 PM) *
I thought Ambro was a striker huh.gif



Yes today he played in the striker position but only yesterday Galliani and Ancelotti were talking that he (in emergency cases) could also play like CB. laugh.gif
So he seems to be our allround player. No seriously this should not be happening in a top club like Milan (in most cases it takes months or years that the player can adapt playing in a certain role) - you can't have a man switching positions from defence to attack. But in this game it was probably the only solution so let's forgive them for this time.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Habitant @ Aug 3 2008, 08:23 PM) *
we were missing most of our attack but does this excuse our disgraceful defense?

Exactly. it's all well and good saying Kaka' and Pippo were injured or whatever.. why doe sit matter, were they going to play CB for us?

We had a back 4 of Zambrotta - Bonera - Maldini - Jakulovski I think. So the only change their would be Nesta in for Bonera, and depending on the game, Kaladze in for Maldini. It's all well and good saying they'll improve the team, but Chelsea ONLY had Anelka up front, not even Drogba!
jbryant1
Chelsea are a far superior team in every position on the pitch. What was Ancelotti thinking playing this formation.

THink about it we played most of our defensive players on the pitch and they couldn't contain Chelsea or do anything. It looked like a bunch of amatuers.

The key with Milan is overconfidence in themselves. Sure we didn't have our starting 11 but it shows how ineffective we are without starters on the pitch. Whereas teams like Chelsea don't have bench players every one of those guys could be starting.

We have players in the Olympics but there is no reason we should be getting beat 5-0 by any team especially when we are playing all our defenders.

Maldini and Ambrosini should retire because they are a joke, regardless of how great overall Maldini is to the game, he doesn't have the magic anymore and Milan's defense is getting more pitiful each year.

Just because we got Flamini and Ronaldinho doesn't mean we have the scudetto won, who cares what all these commentaries suggest.

MizNelson
Typical English journalism: dry.gif

"Kaka might want to reconsider his loyalty to AC Milan after the Italians were thrashed 5-0 by his summer suitors Chelsea in Moscow." (Sky Sports)
kurtsimonw
Miz, didn't you know? Friendlies are the most important thing in football now.
Ry4n
You gotta hand it to the UK media they do make the biggest BS tongue.gif
Nova
I was watching the delayed game on Milanchannel and I was shocked with the way they played. Sure this is only a friendly , but its never good to lose with scores like 0-5. Not playing CL doesnt mean we'll win the scudetto for sure.

I think Milan should reconsider ending their transfer market.
Tennie
For what it's worth, here's acmilan.com's translation of what Carlo Ancelotti said after the game:

MOSCOW - Here are the declarations made by Milan coach Carlo Ancelotti after Milan-Chelsea 0-5:

"Today we had a wrong attitude for this friendly, it was an important friendly. The match was already difficult, then after going 3-0 down in 15 minutes things got even more complicated. It remains a bad blow, but now let's hope the vacations are over. There was nothing to salvage, now we must look forward. We can't complain too much about the attack because of all the absences, but we certainly have to work on our defending. Even if we are getting back an important player like Nesta, I don't think he alone can solve every problem. It will be necessary to be more concentrated, more careful, we can't give away so much.
The lack of strikers right now will allow us to work on the defence which is very lacking right now.

Flamini? He was the last person who had to solve our problems in this game. It was the first match for him and he had to be helped to give a good performance, but unfortunately that didn't happen.

Concerning the keepers, Dida will play the next friendly, then we will see. We have time to evaluate them until 31 August, then we'll decide.

On Kaká's condition there is no news: the medical bulletin said he had an infection, but if the doctors don't say more than I certainly won't.

acid911
Thanks for posting this, Ten, but as far as Carlo is concerned, it's just the same shtick, different day. sad.gif I remember the last few months of our league campaign last season, it almost feels like cut and paste: Bad blow, move on, hope, nothing to salvage, look forward, can't complain, work, solve every problem, concentrated, careful, can't give away so much, unfortunately.

For the coach, these are standard words. dry.gif We'll have to do a lot better than this. A lot.
acid911
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 4 2008, 02:19 AM) *
Typical English journalism:

"Kaka might want to reconsider his loyalty to AC Milan after the Italians were thrashed 5-0 by his summer suitors Chelsea in Moscow." (Sky Sports)

mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif And you better reconsider your loyalty to your life, unless you want me to come over with an axe and smack your head off, beatch! I can't believe this guy gets paid to write this sort of stuff.
kurtsimonw
The only defense for this result is that English teams are better prepared than Italian teams at the moment. You have to imagine that the English season starts in less than 2 weeks, while Serie A doesn't start for a month, so the Chelsea players will have been much more match fit.
acid911
Always look on the bright side of life, lads: At least it wasn't 6-0! tongue.gif
Tennie
I didn't see the game.

That said, I'm not sure one can defend the result in any way. It was just plain embarrassing - ridiculous team selection (Zambrotta AND Janku in midfield, Ambro as striker, Seedorf and Paloschi both on the bench until well into th esecond half), embarrassingly sloppy defending, poor goalkeeping, poor...everything.

I'm generally one of the more optimistic souls on this board, but the only positive I can take from today is that the game is OVER. Hopefully the players (and their coach) are good and mad about how badly they humiliated themselves and they'll stop playing around. It'd be really hard to bear if they go down like this to Man City.
Habitant
QUOTE (acid911 @ Aug 4 2008, 01:10 AM) *
Always look on the bright side of life, lads: At least it wasn't 6-0! tongue.gif

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=1loyjm4SOa0&...feature=related
acid911
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Also loved the song. Have it in my playlist all the time!
Zed.D
QUOTE (jbryant1 @ Aug 4 2008, 01:42 AM) *
Chelsea are a far superior team in every position on the pitch. What was Ancelotti thinking playing this formation.

THink about it we played most of our defensive players on the pitch and they couldn't contain Chelsea or do anything. It looked like a bunch of amatuers.

The key with Milan is overconfidence in themselves. Sure we didn't have our starting 11 but it shows how ineffective we are without starters on the pitch. Whereas teams like Chelsea don't have bench players every one of those guys could be starting.

We have players in the Olympics but there is no reason we should be getting beat 5-0 by any team especially when we are playing all our defenders.

Maldini and Ambrosini should retire because they are a joke, regardless of how great overall Maldini is to the game, he doesn't have the magic anymore and Milan's defense is getting more pitiful each year.

Just because we got Flamini and Ronaldinho doesn't mean we have the scudetto won, who cares what all these commentaries suggest.

That's a little bit harsh. Ambrosini is considered by many one of our best [I'm not his biggest fan when he becomes our striker though!] and while Maldini might not be up to the task anymore [I think he's still is if he has to play one game a week], his presence will always be a mental lift for this team. he's still a player more because of the latter reason, not the former. we need replacements for them, that's for sure, but we don't have to get rid of them... having depth is always good.

Anyway, the fact that we're going to start the season with this pathetic defense scare the **** out of me to be honest.

QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 4 2008, 01:49 AM) *
Typical English journalism: dry.gif

"Kaka might want to reconsider his loyalty to AC Milan after the Italians were thrashed 5-0 by his summer suitors Chelsea in Moscow." (Sky Sports)

puke.gif A bunch of brainless hypocrites.
MizNelson
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 3 2008, 09:10 PM) *
Anyway, the fact that we're going to start the season with this pathetic defense scare the **** out of me to be honest.

What's the biggest concern right now: our sluggish defense, or our anemic offense that's scored only twice in all five friendly matches?
Jack Sparrow
Both... sad.gif

Theoretically both defence and offence are one purchase away from solidity. With Milan nowadays, theory has a method of landing on it's @ss flat, and then bouncing twice. dry.gif We know the defence can play well. The Nesta-Kaladze combo has worked wonders before, and consistently too. It was since last season, that things turned topsy. I'd think since CBs are more difficult to purchase, we'd go with strikers.

Of course thing is once we make that purchase, suddenly Borriello, Kaka and whoever will be fighting fit. But when we don't, they pick one injury after the other.

With Pato and Dinho away, half the offence is on leave. Kaka is injured. Neither Paloschi or Borriello were meant to be relied on . Get Michael Owen. biggrin.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (MizNelson @ Aug 4 2008, 09:58 AM) *
What's the biggest concern right now: our sluggish defense, or our anemic offense that's scored only twice in all five friendly matches?


Come on! Borriello, Inzaghi, Pato and Dinho were absent while Kaka was nowhere near 100%. we clearly have less quality in defense. we still can add to our attacking department, but not till we have solved our problems in defense. Ambro 'the striker' as a center-back tells a lot about the situation...
Zed.D
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Aug 4 2008, 10:58 AM) *
Both... sad.gif

Theoretically both defence and offence are one purchase away from solidity. With Milan nowadays, theory has a method of landing on it's @ss flat, and then bouncing twice. dry.gif We know the defence can play well. The Nesta-Kaladze combo has worked wonders before, and consistently too. It was since last season, that things turned topsy. I'd think since CBs are more difficult to purchase, we'd go with strikers.

Of course thing is once we make that purchase, suddenly Borriello, Kaka and whoever will be fighting fit. But when we don't, they pick one injury after the other.

With Pato and Dinho away, half the offence is on leave. Kaka is injured. Neither Paloschi or Borriello were meant to be relied on . Get Michael Owen. biggrin.gif


We're cursed, Captain, we're cursed!
acid911
QUOTE (zdrossoneri @ Aug 4 2008, 12:41 PM) *
We're cursed, Captain, we're cursed!

Just don't abandon ship yet, maties! tongue.gif
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