dst
Feb 24 2013, 11:58 AM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 24 2013, 04:01 AM)
I probably wouldn't put Pele in the top 100. Not his fault he played at a time where International football was a joke and there was only about 10 nations who were half decent, it is his fault that he never went to Europe though. Probably a good thing, even a 3rd division Villa beat a Santon with Pele in the team!
I think it's all relative anyway. Would Pele at his peak even be any good in todays game? Defending has come on an incredible amount even from the 90s and 80s, so I just don't think he'd be all that. Players today are far superior than previous generations, which is why it's so hard to compare.
They did not do that well in most places in Europe, even Greece...
I think Pele now would be Robinho.
X-Offender
Feb 24 2013, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 24 2013, 01:58 PM)
I think Pele now would be Robinho.
Only without the ridiculous hairstyle.
kurtsimonw
Feb 24 2013, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (dst @ Feb 24 2013, 12:58 PM)
They did not do that well in most places in Europe, even Greece...
I think Pele now would be Robinho.
I don't think he'd be close to being that good.
Rossoneri7
Feb 25 2013, 04:03 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 24 2013, 08:01 AM)
I probably wouldn't put Pele in the top 100. Not his fault he played at a time where International football was a joke and there was only about 10 nations who were half decent, it is his fault that he never went to Europe though. Probably a good thing, even a 3rd division Villa beat a Santon with Pele in the team!
I think it's all relative anyway. Would Pele at his peak even be any good in todays game? Defending has come on an incredible amount even from the 90s and 80s, so I just don't think he'd be all that. Players today are far superior than previous generations, which is why it's so hard to compare.
More to do with 'vintage' perhaps?
Jack Sparrow
Feb 26 2013, 04:30 AM
So El Classico time again? Any takers? I think this time Madrid have got an edge. Barca have it would seem lost their edge. The enforced coaching change would not have helped of course.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 08:58 AM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 26 2013, 05:30 AM)
So El Classico time again? Any takers? I think this time Madrid have got an edge. Barca have it would seem lost their edge. The enforced coaching change would not have helped of course.
I generally lose interest after the first 20 of the season.
han2503
Feb 26 2013, 02:56 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 26 2013, 08:58 AM)
I generally lose interest after the first 20 of the season.
I'll watch it for the drama and to keep tabs on how Barca are doing
Milan Are Brilliant
Feb 26 2013, 02:58 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 26 2013, 09:58 AM)
I generally lose interest after the first 20 of the season.
+1, it's got like Celtic-Rangers.
acid911
Feb 26 2013, 03:09 PM
QUOTE (han2503 @ Feb 26 2013, 07:56 PM)
I'll watch it for the drama and to keep tabs on how Barca are doing
Don't you always?!
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 04:14 PM
The last game was pretty exciting, no reason not to watch this.
dst
Feb 26 2013, 04:22 PM
This match-up has been disappointing too many times recently. I will (try) not (to) watch it.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 08:34 PM
I have Aberdeen-Ross County on.
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 09:04 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 26 2013, 10:34 PM)
I have Aberdeen-Ross County on.
Ooh, exciting!
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 09:15 PM
Penalty for Madrid!
0-1, Ronaldo.
Even though I can't stand Madrid, I want them to pass tonight for some reason.
han2503
Feb 26 2013, 09:17 PM
Yes!
Get in. 0-1 Ronaldo
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 09:18 PM
Down the other end, that's a red card.
I suppose Cesc won't be booked for that dive either.
Zed.D
Feb 26 2013, 09:22 PM
Not that there was no contact, but Ronaldo won it smartly. he just elevated the diving to the level of art.
I'm rooting for Madrid too. GO RONALDO!
Zed.D
Feb 26 2013, 09:24 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 27 2013, 01:48 AM)
I suppose Cesc won't be booked for that dive either.
Gee, it was not penalty but someone pushed him. how's that yellow for diving?
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 09:25 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 26 2013, 10:24 PM)
Gee, it was not penalty but someone pushed him. how's that yellow for diving?
It was a joke.
The weekends Clasico will be the 16th in 22 months. That's stupid.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 09:39 PM
Why did Pedro start to fall early then? Had he stayed up and waited for the contact it would've 100% been a penalty.
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 09:39 PM
Jeez, the Barça players are such cheaters. Diving everywhere.
Jack Bauer
Feb 26 2013, 09:41 PM
The key from this game for me is that another game that Barca conceded, IIRC it happened in almost every game in the last two month. If we manage to score at Camp Nou, they will need to score at least 4.
Zed.D
Feb 26 2013, 09:49 PM
That's what we used to say before the return Arsenal game. "if we score 1 they will have to score 6". and look what happened. they score the first and bam, we lose all confidence.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM
Jordi Alba... Jeez. What a shocking dive.
han2503
Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM
LOOL
@ Jordi Alba, doesn't even know where he's hurt
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 09:50 PM
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Feb 26 2013, 10:41 PM)
The key from this game for me is that another game that Barca conceded, IIRC it happened in almost every game in the last two month. If we manage to score at Camp Nou, they will need to score at least 4.
At the weekend they said it's their longest streak with conceded since the 90s.
han2503
Feb 26 2013, 09:52 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 26 2013, 09:49 PM)
That's what we used to say before the return Arsenal game. "if we score 1 they will have to score 6". and look what happened. they score the first and bam, we lose all confidence.
Agreed.
We simply have to put scoring out of our heads. It shouldn't even be a blip on the players' radars. We need to play it exactly like we did at home. THEY need to score NOT US. We need to keep things super tight and should the opportunity present itself then we try to take it. If not then we must keep our shape at all costs
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 09:54 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 26 2013, 11:49 PM)
That's what we used to say before the return Arsenal game. "if we score 1 they will have to score 6". and look what happened. they score the first and bam, we lose all confidence.
+1
But we shouldn't go there only thinking of defending for the whole 90 minutes. Anyway, the team against Arsenal acted very superficial in the first half, because of our huge lead and because, well, it was Arsenal. Against Barça it's another story.
acid911
Feb 26 2013, 10:00 PM
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Feb 27 2013, 02:54 AM)
and because, well, it was Arsenal.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 10:18 PM
VIVA RONALDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Zed.D
Feb 26 2013, 10:19 PM
Barca are so vulnerable on the counter attacks. I'm beginning to think that we can actually knock them out!
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 10:20 PM
8 goals in his last 6 games at the Camp Nou. Messi yet again annonymous in a big game. Would forgive people for not realising he's playing tonight and vs Milan the other night.
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 10:28 PM
0-3!
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 10:28 PM
VARANNNNE!
Zed.D
Feb 26 2013, 10:30 PM
Loving it. hope Barca's demise also means Spain's demise. sick of both team's dominance.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 10:36 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 26 2013, 11:30 PM)
Loving it. hope Barca's demise also means Spain's demise. sick of both team's dominance.
Funny. One of the best refereeing performances I've seen in a while and Barca can't cope.
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 10:45 PM
LOL Pepe, falling like an idiot.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 10:45 PM
Pepe.
Clown.
Zed.D
Feb 26 2013, 10:47 PM
I think after winning so much (both Barca and Messi), this had to happen. we and Madrid showed the world how it can be done (OK Danny, Rangers were first...). I'm looking forward to more games like this.
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My God, Pepe... someone put him in a cage.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 10:49 PM
Varane-Ramos partnership works really well. Pepe should be a sub from now on.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 10:50 PM
That's how you do it Farca, when you get into the box DON'T dive.
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 10:57 PM
So glad I tuned in. What's happened to Messi in big games? 1st leg nothing. Milan game, nothing. Tonight, nothing.
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 11:02 PM
Yeah, he's been a ghost in these last two important games. In fact, Barça have been terrible as a whole.
Zed.D
Feb 26 2013, 11:04 PM
I wonder whether it's Messi who's suffering from Barca's bad form or the other way around.
han2503
Feb 26 2013, 11:10 PM
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 26 2013, 11:04 PM)
I wonder whether it's Messi who's suffering from Barca's bad form or the other way around.
I think it's both
Xavi has been bad, Cesc even worse, the entire defensive line is a joke
The only guy still playing like before is Iniesta but the others are not on the same wavelength that made them so great before
han2503
Feb 26 2013, 11:12 PM
Also think the fact that they're basically being lead by the assistant to the assistant is weighing on them. They miss their coach as well, even if some who like to overhype them say they can function without one it's clearly having an effect on them that Tito is not there
kurtsimonw
Feb 26 2013, 11:46 PM
I watched their game at the weekend with Sevilla. First half was really shocking. They improved in the 2nd half, but Sevilla didn't look too threatened for the most part.
Defend as a team and counter, they don't seem to have much of an answer for it lately.
X-Offender
Feb 26 2013, 11:54 PM
kurtsimonw
Feb 27 2013, 06:38 PM
Apparently Ronaldo's the 1st ever player to score in 6 consecutive appearances at the Nou Camp, that's very surprising. I must be misunderstanding or only heard half the story or something, surely Messi's done it at some point?
acid911
Feb 27 2013, 06:58 PM
Sarcasm?
If not, then this most probably takes into account visiting teams only? Opponents!
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