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Rossoneri7
Best course of action is for Silvio to sell the club.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 5 2013, 10:03 PM) *
They're easily looking like the best team in the league right now.

Yep. They're looking as good going forward as they did under Zeman, ut at the same time solid at the back. Pretty scary.
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 6 2013, 10:34 AM) *
Ok...Galliani steps back, what's your plan though?

That's the thing. There really is no plan, except to say 'Off with their head'. I don't think anyone except Galliani can manage this period of instability right now. Perhaps when things stabilise he can move away. His sentimentality is a fault, but yes, we can do a lot worse than finishing in European places every year.

For me, if we just have a new more enterprising coach come in, we should start seeing some remarkable results.

Bring someone in who has the vision to run this club properly, Silvio is not going to do it, and he's letting Galliani have free reign, which is a big mistake.

And you can talk about changing coach all you want but at the end of they day who was the one who vouched for Allegri? Who was the one who CONVINCED Silvio to keep Allegri when Roma wanted him? These are all terrible decisions made purely from a personal preference rather than a business or footballing perspective.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 6 2013, 10:48 AM) *
Best course of action is for Silvio to sell the club.

This. If he's not even interested in stepping in when the team needs him (and I'm not even talking about money here) then he should just let go. What's the point of keeping the Club if you're going to do more harm than good?

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 6 2013, 12:14 PM) *
Yep. They're looking as good going forward as they did under Zeman, ut at the same time solid at the back. Pretty scary.

Agreed, but like I said, do you see them sustaining this throughout the season? I think they'll wain big time within few months, they don't have great squad depth so they'll have trouble coping if injuries start hitting them. Plus Juve will go from strength to strength as the season goes on, I personally can't see past them for the title, even Napoli don't come close for me, their terrible defence and lack of depth is also a factor. I think they'll get second but I don't think that they'll really give Juve a proper challenge for the title.

Third is a toss up between Roma, Inter and us. Yes I'm personally disheartened with how we're playing each week and with how things are going but we were arguably a lot worse last season and still managed it. So I'm not going to count us out just yet.

Still I have a feeling we'll be in the EL come next season along with Fiorentina and Roma/Inter (whoever doesn't get 3rd from those 2)
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 6 2013, 01:38 PM) *
Agreed, but like I said, do you see them sustaining this throughout the season? I think they'll wain big time within few months, they don't have great squad depth so they'll have trouble coping if injuries start hitting them.

I think they'll probably be similar to Napoli of last year. Still be up making a genuine challenge after the winter break, but Juve's depth over the last few months of the season will help them pull away.
Rossoneri7
Yeah ! McDonalds stadium ... I'm all for it biggrin.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Oct 6 2013, 12:53 PM) *
Yeah ! McDonalds stadium ... I'm all for it biggrin.gif

Who cares what name the stadium is? It's better than our current situation
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Oct 6 2013, 12:34 PM) *
Ok...Galliani steps back, what's your plan though?

That's the thing. There really is no plan, except to say 'Off with their head'. I don't think anyone except Galliani can manage this period of instability right now. Perhaps when things stabilise he can move away. His sentimentality is a fault, but yes, we can do a lot worse than finishing in European places every year.

For me, if we just have a new more enterprising coach come in, we should start seeing some remarkable results.

The plan is a complete rebuild and involvement of Milan legends I'm sure are capable of breathing fresh air into our loughs.

But really, no. Sentimentality was Galliani's problem a few years back with all the Favalli's and Oddo's that you and me defended. Now it's way past sentimentality. It's a clear case of decadence & decline prior to the final fall. Galliani has no plan, he's no relationship with the fans, he's lost every ounce of credibility and finally, with his Allegri obsession he's been holding the club back more then it should be.

Sure, European places isn't bad exactly. But I'd rather have a horror season like Juve or Inter had just to come back in great style, the years and years of slow stagnation and status quo. Because this situation is, permanent and long lasting as it is, is really affecting the basics of what AC Milan should represents: status, mentality, self awareness and greatness. History teaches you that great teams can eventually become past greats.

QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 6 2013, 04:19 PM) *
Who cares what name the stadium is? It's better than our current situation

Well, this is the thing: I do. I think there a lots more fans who care about such things. Madrid has Bernabeu, Barcelona has Camp Nou, Manchester Old Trafford. It's the way it should be.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 6 2013, 05:20 PM) *
The plan is a complete rebuild and involvement of Milan legends I'm sure are capable of breathing fresh air into our loughs.

But really, no. Sentimentality was Galliani's problem a few years back with all the Favalli's and Oddo's that you and me defended. Now it's way past sentimentality. It's a clear case of decadence & decline prior to the final fall. Galliani has no plan, he's no relationship with the fans, he's lost every ounce of credibility and finally, with his Allegri obsession he's been holding the club back more then it should be.

Sure, European places isn't bad exactly. But I'd rather have a horror season like Juve or Inter had just to come back in great style, the years and years of slow stagnation and status quo. Because this situation is, permanent and long lasting as it is, is really affecting the basics of what AC Milan should represents: status, mentality, self awareness and greatness. History teaches you that great teams can eventually become past greats.


Well, this is the thing: I do. I think there a lots more fans who care about such things. Madrid has Bernabeu, Barcelona has Camp Nou, Manchester Old Trafford. It's the way it should be.

I do as well, but in the grand scheme of things it's not a big deal. If improving the club means we have to have a stadium named after some brand, then so be it. As long as it's for the good of the club then such details can be looked over. Because at the end of the day, the name of the stadium is just that, a minor detail.
Linkman
QUOTE (CrazyMilanFan @ Oct 5 2013, 05:42 PM) *
just chexked it is 3-0 at HT... so roma look likely for third this season


Why 3rd? They're playing amazing football, and have no european competition to worry about. I think they're serious contenders for the scudetto.
han2503
QUOTE (Linkman @ Oct 6 2013, 05:26 PM) *
Why 3rd? They're playing amazing football, and have no european competition to worry about. I think they're serious contenders for the scudetto.

Nah, Juve will have that on lockdown by January
Fillipo Simone
We'll see. But I also agree, it's very likely.
Linkman
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 6 2013, 02:33 PM) *
Nah, Juve will have that on lockdown by January


We'll have to see how Roma evolves during the season, but given the whooping they handed Inter last week, I think they're very well commanded.
han2503
QUOTE (Linkman @ Oct 7 2013, 01:20 PM) *
We'll have to see how Roma evolves during the season, but given the whooping they handed Inter last week, I think they're very well commanded.

Roma are my biggest pain in the @ss this season because not only could we have sent Allegri to them but they got Ljajic right out from under us. Just incredibly peeved about them...

And all the fault of Galliani. Go figure... rolleyes.gif
X-Offender
Roma have a really good team, and they actually made a profit this summer. It's called good management, something we're completely unfamiliar with. But they do have to thank us for not sending Allegri their way.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 7 2013, 08:33 PM) *
Roma have a really good team, and they actually made a profit this summer. It's called good management, something we're completely unfamiliar with. But they do have to thank us for not sending Allegri their way.

I'm still massively p!ssed off about that. All of it really, we had so many great opportunities to not only improve the team but to keep it within budget, while also sending Allegri on his way to a competitor. It was just an overall massive disappointment and to see other teams thriving when we could have most likely been in their position had the right decisions been made in the summer is even worse
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 7 2013, 09:39 PM) *
I'm still massively p!ssed off about that. All of it really, we had so many great opportunities to not only improve the team but to keep it within budget, while also sending Allegri on his way to a competitor. It was just an overall massive disappointment and to see other teams thriving when we could have most likely been in their position had the right decisions been made in the summer is even worse

Yep. Makes it even worse when the signings we did make went completely against this so called project we have.
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 8 2013, 01:41 AM) *
Yep. Makes it even worse when the signings we did make went completely against this so called project we have.

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han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 7 2013, 08:41 PM) *
Yep. Makes it even worse when the signings we did make went completely against this so called project we have.

Not to mention the signings we made went against us in general as so far only Poli has been a revelation, all the others have been a let down

Kaka obviously we can't really tell yet, but this injury does not bode well for the future
servbot
Well this is interesting...Milan and Inter ultras working together? blink.gif blink.gif


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The Curva Nord group has called for solidarity with their AC Milan Curva Sud counterparts by challenging new legislation introduced during the summer which leads to stadium closures -- partial or full -- for any act of racially discriminatory behaviour by fans.

The regulations also punish territorial discrimination, which has led to Milan’s game against Udinese on October 19 being played without spectators at the San Siro after they were already forced to stage their home fixture with Sampdoria with the Curva Sud closed.

"We are ready and we hope that all fans make discriminatory chants so that we end up playing a Sunday without any fans at all," said an appeal published on the Curva Nord’s website. "We are proposing initiatives coordinated with other fans, ultras, with the fans of our rivals from our city, with our partner fans and with our historic rivals, or anybody else who realises how absurd the attempt is to whitewash our minds with an alien respectability."

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Indeed, should the appeal of the Inter fans be adhered to, even only in a humorous, ironic manner, such as the way Napoli fans discriminated against themselves at the weekend by wishing cholera on the city of Naples -- a frequent discriminatory chant made by opposition fans -- the way the rules are currently set out, they will all receive an automatic partial stadium closure.



espnfc.com
kurtsimonw
Can't say I've seen enough of each team to be able to (dis)agree with any of this. But Campagnaro was a good deal for free and I thought Benatia was very good the last few years at Udinese, so no surprises they're performing well.

Linkman
Notice the distinct lack of Milan CBs in that list.
Jack Sparrow
You seem surprised. sleep.gif
Fillipo Simone
Jesus is really that good?
Jack Sparrow
Yeah. Havent' you head Jesus Saves. dry.gif

But no, a lot of youngsters are really coming through this season for Inter.

We cannot underestimate the impact that the absence of European football are having on both Inter and Rome. Especially for both teams having new coaches, it is giving them plenty of time to prepare as well as a relative absence of 'pressure'.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 9 2013, 11:52 PM) *
Can't say I've seen enough of each team to be able to (dis)agree with any of this. But Campagnaro was a good deal for free and I thought Benatia was very good the last few years at Udinese, so no surprises they're performing well.


Some terrible names in that list, but goes to show what proper team drilling and tactical discipline do for a single player which otherwise can be pretty terrible. Campagnaro is an average defender, but he's been doing very well under Mazzari, same goes for Jesus. Britos? Same

I like Benatia, but it mostly goes down to how Roma are defending this season as a unit, the only really great defender in that list is Chiellini.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 10 2013, 08:52 AM) *
Jesus is really that good?


I think he is. He'd do very well in a big club.
Danny
It shows how low Serie A's stock is these days that none of those defenders would even be considered top 20 in the world right now. Only one who might be considered borderline is Chiellini and he spends more time hitting folk than defending.
Ry4n
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 10 2013, 03:52 AM) *
Can't say I've seen enough of each team to be able to (dis)agree with any of this. But Campagnaro was a good deal for free and I thought Benatia was very good the last few years at Udinese, so no surprises they're performing well.



not many juve defenders there also..
Danny
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Oct 14 2013, 08:52 PM) *
not many juve defenders there also..


Not that big a surprise. Despite their results they've not been impressive. They've been totally found out in the CL and they're just 'getting by' in Serie A.
Jack Bauer
Roma are legit.
X-Offender
I look at Roma's line-up, is it really that superior to ours? Cos I don't think so. Garcia has really done some outstanding work there.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 18 2013, 10:40 PM) *
I look at Roma's line-up, is it really that superior to ours? Cos I don't think so. Garcia has really done some outstanding work there.

It's inferior if you compare them man for man, especially the first 11. Goes to show what a good coach can do for a team. And to think they wanted Allegri this summer. OH THE IRONY!!! cry.gif
Ry4n
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 19 2013, 02:49 AM) *
It's inferior if you compare them man for man, especially the first 11. Goes to show what a good coach can do for a team. And to think they wanted Allegri this summer. OH THE IRONY!!! cry.gif

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han2503
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Oct 19 2013, 01:26 AM) *
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You really think Roma's squad is better than ours? It's not. Before the season started they were barely even a blip on anyone's radar. The only players I'd take from them are Ljajic and DDR. Maybe Strootman as well. But Gervinho, Maicon, Dodo (whatever his name is), etc, I mean really?

Take away their coach and put someone else in and they'd be a defensive mess. Garcia has worked wonders with that side.

We could have sent Allegri their way, think about their team with him at the helm and then tell me (with a straight face) that they'd still be at the top of the table in that scenario.
Ry4n
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 19 2013, 01:27 PM) *
You really think Roma's squad is better than ours? It's not. Before the season started they were barely even a blip on anyone's radar. The only players I'd take from them are Ljajic and DDR. Maybe Strootman as well. But Gervinho, Maicon, Dodo (whatever his name is), etc, I mean really?

Take away their coach and put someone else in and they'd be a defensive mess. Garcia has worked wonders with that side.

We could have sent Allegri their way, think about their team with him at the helm and then tell me (with a straight face) that they'd still be at the top of the table in that scenario.

rofl i made a face i did'nt say anything calm down broseph i was agreeing with the point you were making... we know they they have a great coach look at the table they have a great winning streak which they are on and one more win they'll equal Juve's record of 9 wins without defeat. Better?
han2503
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Oct 19 2013, 09:54 AM) *
rofl i made a face i did'nt say anything calm down broseph i was agreeing with the point you were making... we know they they have a great coach look at the table they have a great winning streak which they are on and one more win they'll equal Juve's record of 9 wins without defeat. Better?

Who said I wasn't calm? That post didn't even include "!" or shouting caps, I was just further making my point because that smilie you made implied a "What are you thinking?!" type of reply.
Ry4n
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 19 2013, 03:38 PM) *
Who said I wasn't calm? That post didn't even include "!" or shouting caps, I was just further making my point because that smilie you made implied a "What are you thinking?!" type of reply.

Wasn't trying to emply anything but ok.

Anyway back on subject i'll just copy paste what i said earlier.

we know they they have a great coach look at the table they have a great winning streak which they are on and one more win they'll equal Juve's record of 9 wins without defeat.
acid911
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Oct 19 2013, 05:30 PM) *
we know they they have a great coach look at the table they have a great winning streak which they are on and one more win they'll equal Juve's record of 9 wins without defeat.

Which I hope they do! happy.gif In fact, smash it to itsy bitsy pieces while they are at it.
Ry4n
QUOTE (acid911 @ Oct 19 2013, 05:33 PM) *
Which I hope they do! happy.gif In fact, smash it to itsy bitsy pieces while they are at it.

They have Udinese next i'm not so sure they will but would be cool.
acid911
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Oct 19 2013, 08:34 PM) *
They have Udinese next i'm not so sure they will but would be cool.

Fingers crossed, mate. smile.gif Only record I want Juventus to have is to going to Serie B or C multiple times within the decade, those stinking, corrupt dozers. In fact, I want Roma to win the Scudetto, for what it's worth, and more importantly for a change of scenery.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 19 2013, 12:40 AM) *
I look at Roma's line-up, is it really that superior to ours? Cos I don't think so. Garcia has really done some outstanding work there.

Problem is, Roma have Totti and De Rossi. Those two are "real champions" to use Galliani's phrase. They have the composure of stars who're winners. We don't have a single player who can fill in this category (maybe Kaka, but only if he manages to come back in a real way); individually our team is better, but it lacks extra class.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 20 2013, 12:27 PM) *
Problem is, Roma have Totti and De Rossi. Those two are "real champions" to use Galliani's phrase. They have the composure of stars who're winners. We don't have a single player who can fill in this category (maybe Kaka, but only if he manages to come back in a real way); individually our team is better, but it lacks extra class.


Two players (one of them 37-y-o) can't make the difference. Roma's had them for years, but it's starting to win only now thanks to this brilliant, brilliant Rudi Garcia.
kurtsimonw
I wanted us to get Benatia, he's far from mediocre. We get stuck with Mexes and Zapata FFS.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 20 2013, 03:10 PM) *
I wanted us to get Benatia, he's far from mediocre. We get stuck with Mexes and Zapata FFS.


Benatia is Zapata level IMO. He's just been over-performing like most of Roma's players.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 20 2013, 10:27 AM) *
Problem is, Roma have Totti and De Rossi. Those two are "real champions" to use Galliani's phrase. They have the composure of stars who're winners. We don't have a single player who can fill in this category (maybe Kaka, but only if he manages to come back in a real way); individually our team is better, but it lacks extra class.

Like x-off said, they've been with an underachieving Roma for years. The only time Totti ever won anything of note with Roma was under a great coach (Capello). Aside from that a couple of Coppa Italias, DDR has never won anything big with Roma either. So to say those 2 are what separates us is just not a good excuse. We have players on their level, it's just that they are not given the opportunity to shine at Milan because of you know who wink.gif

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 20 2013, 12:04 PM) *
Two players (one of them 37-y-o) can't make the difference. Roma's had them for years, but it's starting to win only now thanks to this brilliant, brilliant Rudi Garcia.

Agreed

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 20 2013, 01:10 PM) *
I wanted us to get Benatia, he's far from mediocre. We get stuck with Mexes and Zapata FFS.

Benetia? Really? They just sold a greatly talented young CB for nearly 40m this summer and replaced him with Benatia. Benatia is a good player and I like him. But he's just that; a good player. Mexes is a better defender than him and also a better footballer.

Roma are doing great because they have improved defensively as an entire unit, not just because of one player

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 20 2013, 01:20 PM) *
Benatia is Zapata level IMO. He's just been over-performing like most of Roma's players.

Yep
Fillipo Simone
Indeed. But, the thing is - Roma had the potential, they only needed a good or great coach. I always thought Spaletti did a bad job considering the squad he had at his disposal. Now let's see if Garcia is the one.

With Milan it's pretty much different. We don't need just a coach swap, it's only a necessary first step. What we need is a whole new backbone. That's what Roma doesn't have to worry about with Totti and De Rossi, at least for a while.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 20 2013, 05:17 PM) *
Indeed. But, the thing is - Roma had the potential, they only needed a good or great coach. I always thought Spaletti did a bad job considering the squad he had at his disposal. Now let's see if Garcia is the one.

With Milan it's pretty much different. We don't need just a coach swap, it's only a necessary first step. What we need is a whole new backbone. That's what Roma doesn't have to worry about with Totti and De Rossi, at least for a while.


Why do you bring up Spaletti? That was long ago. The team he had at disposal was composed of completely different players.

Anyway, the last decent Roma side was in 2010 (even though prior to then they were average at best), when they came second to Inter. Since then they've been completely crap. Those who have failed in this aspect were Ranieri/Montella, Luis Enrique and Zeman/Anderazzoli. And yes, Roma did have potential in these last two seasons, but I also think we have potential. Just need a good coach to guide us.
Nova
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 20 2013, 05:17 PM) *
Indeed. But, the thing is - Roma had the potential, they only needed a good or great coach. I always thought Spaletti did a bad job considering the squad he had at his disposal. Now let's see if Garcia is the one.

With Milan it's pretty much different. We don't need just a coach swap, it's only a necessary first step. What we need is a whole new backbone. That's what Roma doesn't have to worry about with Totti and De Rossi, at least for a while.


Couldn't agree more .

kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Oct 20 2013, 03:06 PM) *
Benetia? Really? They just sold a greatly talented young CB for nearly 40m this summer and replaced him with Benatia. Benatia is a good player and I like him. But he's just that; a good player. Mexes is a better defender than him and also a better footballer.

Roma are doing great because they have improved defensively as an entire unit, not just because of one player


Yep

Yes, you underrate way too many opposition players. Mexes is a better footballer, you're right. No way a better defender. Zapata is not even close to either.
Nova
Fiorentina just scored 3 goals in about 5 minutes. Hatrick rossi , wasnt he a Milanfan ? rolleyes.gif
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