If anyone but Robben wins it, then it's a complete farce.

Didn't Ribery win the best CL player award? He should be the favourite.

Yeah, but I think Robben scored the more vital goals, and was much more influential. He was an absolute beast in the final stages of the competition, where it matter the most. It's easy to forget, just hope UEFA does not.

Madrid - 10
Copenhagen - 4
Galatasary - 4
Juventus - 3

Juve have played both of their games v Madrid, while the other 2 still have to play them. It's Juve's to throw away.

The away game vs Galatasaray on the last matchday will be decisive. Juve will (most probably) need a draw but it can easily went wrong for them there.

BTW, last time we failed to qualify from group stage was in 1999-2000 season. We needed to beat Gala away while this game meant nothing to them, we led 2-1 till final minutes but the turks scored two late goals and we finished last (Chelsea and Hertha were the other teams).

Oh, I'm already liking the sound of that. Besides, I just hope Drogba, Sneijder and friends do the job!

That's not easy to forget. I remember Weah score and play for Milan in his final season. Galatasaray went on to win the UEFA Cup that year. Zaccheroni years

I was still sleepy


Yeah, and Giunti scored our second goal, his only Milan goal besides the one in famous 6-0 merda thrashing.

He's 20, he's still raw. Don't think he's overrated at all yet though, has huge potential.

& is there any doubt Messi will win everything? Blatter has already publicly blasted Ronaldo so it's not really a case of a conspiracy, it's just the truth.

Doesn't matter what Blatter wants, "It is awarded based on votes by coaches and captains of international teams, as well as journalists from around the world." It will almost certainly be a Bayern player (Riberi probably), just like UEFA Best Player in Europe Award earlier this year.

No matter, I just want to see Juventus humiliated once again.

hmm


Well Real are basically already through at this point, so I wouldn't put it past Carlo to go out there in the last 2 games with half @ssed sides like he used to do with us when we closed out the group with 2 matches to spare. I think that's where it could get dicey for Juve, Gala away isn't easy, they'll probably lose or draw that. So winning against Copenhagen in the next game will leave them with 6 points. It will probably go down to the final match day

Who doesn't? I will never root for Juve or Inter in europe, despite all the Italian rating need talk.

Yup, I'm not actually that hard on Inter, they can go to the quarters and embarrass themselves, or something like that. But Juventus, the more these cheating and lying rats stumble, the batter. To their credit, they did provided pretty good entertainment a couple of years back. Fulham, was it? Classic!

I'm actually harder on Inter. They are and always will be our main rivals.

If you look at football Italia, with the comments and articles about Juve. you'd think they won by a good margin against Real

This is how far the standard of Italian football as a whole has fallen, the Italian champions celebrating a draw like it's win

It's not often teams outplay Madrid. Home or away.

Yeah, well Inter are a club that we have caught and smothered before. Juventus, with their whiny attitude and drug powered philosophy not so much. I don't particularly like them, though I consider Inter a ugly cousin. Juventus, I hate with a passion, particularly taking into account what most of their fans think of Milan and our players.


Link, or it did not happen.

Still, it's not about that mostly, it's their reactions after it. I think a side like Juve should be aiming higher than being happy with a draw, no matter the opposition.

I felt like WE were even disappointed with the draw against Barca, and our standards are basically non-existent right now, so I don't get why they're so happy about a draw

I don't know what you're talking about. Remember Calciopoli? I'll never forget how they rigged the system and single-handedly won a bunch of league titles, catching up with us and seriously damaging in process the whole of Serie A.

Other then that, they're our rivals. History binds us with them in a bad way. Everyone in Italy who is a Milan fan would tell you this.

Oh, I remember Calcipoli alright, the last era where I was still game for football. Thing is, we handed them a Scudetto or two, with our own mess. They had Ibra, but we had a massive team at that time, and with Juventus in the depths (remember who put them there), it was the perfect chance for us to catch both them and Inter.

Instead from around 2007 up until now, we've just been riding the waves, save for a mini project with Ibra and Silva, of sorts. You develop a good core, success almost always comes. In fact, we probably should never have let Ibra slip through at that time, for whatever it was worth. I'd much rather have preferred we signed him then.

That would surely have stopped Inter winning these bunch of league titles. But let's put it this way. For me, if we lose to Inter, it is not the end of the world. If we lose to Juventus, it darn sure is. Us trading blows with Inter while Juventus run away with titles year after year is not my idea of a good time, surely it is not.

I'm just painting a picture here, of course. All teams are rivals if we want to win a Scudetto any given year.

I'm hoping Ibra wins tbh. Also the prize should be spread out more i'm tired of the same people winning its season after season maybe it should include what they do on a international level Portugal and Argentina are no slouches. Unless of course it already does. Surely Ribery or Robben should win it this season or Ibra.

I don't know man. I'd rather have a Madonnina win then one against Juventus. Milan fans usually remember those matches more, and the atmosphere is more special.

As for Calciopoli, I think you got it wrong. We didn't exactly have a massive team: we had Sheva already gone, an aging midfield with Gourcuff as a sole fresh addition. The 06/07 season maybe was a miss that can be blamed on Ancelotti and the management, but overall, I don't see how Milan could have ended as a winner after Calciopoli. The affair hit us as well as Juve, pushing Inter forward with a big gap between us and them.

No, I won't forget that. Juventus may be sleazy with Moggi or nasty with Conte now, and the whole FIAT patronacy may be irritating, but I won't forget how Inter got away with trophies. No, no, no.

Can't fault you on that, man. The atmosphere is infinitely more special during the derby, surely it is, from the stadium lights down to the player uniforms. That is why it is the best derby in the world, two evenly matched teams always, going at it in a heated contest with a historical context.

With Juventus, though I get a sense of revenge. And gloating, as the best team in Itlay.


Oh, I remember it one and all. I recall every player we had during that time, and my point was that it while we were not strong back then, we had a chance to be. The 2007 CL dream win aside, those were just years of mismanagement, when we could have won a few titles, and stopped Inter from winning a couple. Squandered.

Heck, like I said, we should have done more to nab Ibra's signature back then, at all costs. We were close.

I'm pretty sure the last time we failed to qualify was in 00/01 or 01/02. Our last game in the group was against Deportivo at San Siro, and we had to win at all cost. We ended up drawing 0-0 or 1-1, can't remember. I think it was by the time Zaccheroni was fired.

*goes to check*

Well, it was actually the second group stage, as then you had two group stages and then quarters, semis and final. But yeah, I was about right.

Yap, Zach got fired that evening, after his favorite player Thomas Helveg made an error and got us a penalty.

Ah the double group stage era, how terrible that was!

I see everyone enjoyed the games today...

I like Isco. It's like he is a combination of Messi and C. Ronaldo.

Leverkusen are 2nd in Germany? WTF.

You just saw the chance and couldn't resist, could you?

Well, to be quite frank, it is a good point. But on the other hand, Leverkusen are on a downward spiral.

Metrosexual nerd?

Liar. You meant to say gay runt. I know how your mind works.

Galata-Juve suspended and then postponed due to snow.

Comical defending from Boateng and Dante. single handedly lost Bayern the game.

Bayern lead 2-0, City win 2-3. After City scored their last goal, Bayern took off their only striker and replaced him with an extra winger. I can't stand this idiotic Spanish invention of a striker-less lineup.

Well I told you as good a coach Pep is, he is prone to forcing his ideas upon teams. This may just be the first incident, and Bayern may be ripping each team a new one in the German league, but it is just the start. More aggressive implementation, and not so positive response from the team, can result in a comedy of errors.

At least with someone like Mourinho, Ancelotti, SAF and more you get the traditional coaching deal.

Galata-Juve to be played tomorrow at 1 or 2 PM.

It's even more stupid when you're losing a game, you become too predictable. Milner was fantastic, more of that for England please!

Terrible conditions.

Sneijder.

1-0 FT

I feel bad for Juve. They were the better team, but in such impossible conditions the goal can come in any way. That being said, winning only one game in the group for the Italian champions is unacceptable, so I guess it's their own fault in the end.

So, Juve out, Napoli almost out, if we fail tonight then no Italian teams in the Round of 16. How messed up would that be?

Reflective of the poor quality of the league imo

Yes Napoli have improved a lot, but if you look closely most of the other teams are basically the same as last season, Roma downgraded from the quality they had last season while Napoli didn't take care of key areas of the pitch like defence and midfield. Hamsik is out and they're basically an entirely different team

And when the champions of Italy, the team who's already basically run away with the league can't win a CL game to save their lives then enough said

There's a group of people I really want to laugh at right now and say 'I told you so' about Juve in CL.

Too bad. I'd be lying if I didn't say this was the result I wanted. Get back to the hole where you came from!

Like who?

An alternative forum I once used who, when I told them I didn't believe Juve could mount a serious CL challenge, they absolutely laughed me off beyond words. It got quite heated.

I will bite my tongue though.

I think you should remind them...

Nah, not worth it. They're a vicious bunch, trust me, I've scouted many of the alternate AC Milan forums.