Inter 1-1 Udinese HT

Please, keep it up Udi!

Boy, Rafa's gonna need more notepad paper, no much intensity from inter. Stays 1-1 till the first half mark, Lucio with the opener in the 7th minute and Flores replied in the 31st.

Why on earth does he play Mariga and Biabiany instead of Stankovic and Pandev? Duh...

Saving for midweek CL?

After drawing the first game, I don't think it's a wise decision. Anyway, it seems Stankovic is not even on the bench.

I watched,the last 20minutes of the first half,and I have to say:Inter has lost it.Udinese are playing a good game so far...

Sanchez is an absolute machine

single handedly ripping Inter a new one

2-1 Eto'o.

Inter heading for th win. Well it was wishful thinking that they would lose points again. But they looked really bad so positive signs

UGH

could have been a draw...Angella with the stupid handball

Well it's a good thing inter won. We don't want Moratti (who was in the stands, by the way, and looking quite concerned and worried) to fire off Rafa after just two matches into the season. Let their new coach work his magic, and let him work it long term.

C'mmon, take a break with the Rafa bashing. He isn't that poor..

Cagliari 5-1 Roma

It's been just that sort of a day: A day of shock in world football. Let's just laugh it off and make sure normal service resumes next week (and the midweek CL games). MU conceded 2 goals in the last few minutes, Barcelona and Milan both lost to newly promoted teams, Real and inter scrapped in, and well Roma hit the ground.

I'll file it under amusement, and pray that the next round of games are better (or should I say normal).

Agreed. Just WOW

Looks like its game on for Juve - Samp , they go into the half time break 1 -1 althought it couldve been 3 - 1 to Sampdoria they had two one on ones with Stotari hes kept Juve in it so far. two good saves Pozzi scored for Samp and Marchiso for Juve.

2-1 to Juve now

Pepe was offside when Quagliarella touched the ball first.

Nice. And we had 3 goals disallowed last night for "offsides" that never existed

3-2 for Juve. It looks like this goal was offside as well.

By the way, Krasic is having one monster of a game. Great, great player.

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Anyway the strange score lines seems to be continueing on from where they left off yesterday. Palermo lost, Fiorentina losing to lecce, Genoa losing, this Juve game etc.

I'd still take Sanchez > Krasic on most days



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Samp looks on the back foot though

I don't think Juve not winning is that surprising.

I don't think it is a good thing han ... We need these teams in form to put pressure on la merda .. or else we will have a run away train all over again.

I am starting to doubt Allegri's ability in managing a star studded squad right now, hence I would like to see those teams strive

Last week Allegri was a GOD, this week he's a lower level tectician, both assesments based on two games apart. I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves right now. Allegri strikes me as a smart man, he just needs time to find the right formula.

Also you're a big supporter of Carlo yourself, have we forgotten the days where things were going so bad and we had Seedorf and Kaka both having public spats with him during a game? Yet no one here questioned him and his man management skills, Allegri loses a game and he's suddenly inadequate to coach this team. Everyone was underestimating Cesena, players, fans, etc. That is he biggest problem, I think during this early part of the season if they have the physical capacity to keep it up they'll give a lot of teams a serious run for their money, not just us

Allegri cant touch Ancelotti !

The next coach that reaches the Champions League final thrice, will win me over. Till, then he is prone to my criticism ... Carlo raised the bar in that

Carlo did that when having arguably the best team in Europe at his disposal, defense through attack the team was WC. The 07 final was more Kaka dragging the team on rather then Carlo's tactical mastery... And imo he under achieved as Milan coach having the team he had under him, just 1 Scudetto, 1 CL during the hey-days of that great squad. The Istanbul final and Deportivo debacle to me over shadow his CL win in 03. And don't even get me started on his final 2-3 seasons and his xmas tree formation

Really? I recall only a few of us here defending Carlo over and over again, while mostly he was called a retard, or a idiot or a stubborn idiot or whatever.

I agree, we can't judge him based on 2 games. But we also cannot neglect what our instinct tells us. It's also a valuable aspect.

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Carlo Ancelotti is one of the top three to have coached Milan in my lifetime ! Allegri has yet to win any of us over

When I say no one, I'm talking about the ones who were so quick to judge Allegri yet came to Carlo's defense no matter to what we were treated that current week, be it a drubbing against his favourite side Palermo, a last minute winner for Atalanta, playing 10 games straight without scoring a single goal, or only managing meager 1-1 draws, etc, etc.

Carlo messed up big time during his last few seasons at Milan, he turned into the almost man he was at Juve, going for the defensive option being happy with a draw as long as it's not a defeat. And I'm not even going to go into the 2 episodes I mentioned above, which imo are the 2 biggest mistakes in his carreer, without a shadow of a doubt.

My instinct tells me that Allegri will find his feet at Milan and estalish himself as a great coach. What I saw on matchday 1 imo is more signifacant then what we saw yesterday. Against Lecce he had the team he'd been preparing with all through summer, then suddenly international break and everything is turned on him. Even if it just 2 players, its 2 big players that bring in massive expectaions, as well as egos and change the way we play completely, especially Ibra.

It will take time, but I'm more comfortable with him as coach then I was with Carlo during his last years and certainly more comfortable then I was with Leo as coach


You're making my brain bleed!!!

I still stand by my point! He was a major underachiever for the calibre of the squad he had at his disposal

And he might be the rhird best coach to have coached Milan during our time, but it goes like this:

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You are treading on thin ice my friend .. The polar bears are not far from where you are ... While I am sure the Piranha is rather hungry these days

What? How can you rate Carlo so low? You know, Capello himself messed up a few seasons as well, even worse then Ancelotti ever did. And where the hell is Zaccheroni? He won us the miraculous scudetto.

Bring it on!!!


Tabarez was a joke to rile people up. What that very nice digram shows is that yes Carlo came in third but he's a big step down from the other 2.

Zaccheroni, comes in somewhere under Carlo, like I said, Tabarez was a joke, hence the next to him

Capello made mistakes on his second appointment as Milan coach, that team under him during his first spell, even if it wasn't as great as that of Sacchi's was just amazing, deadly efficient. Plus he gave us the most beautiful CL win in Milan's history

Carlo for me just doesn't hold a candle to the other 2, yes the CLs put a shine to him, but I don't buy into it. He made a lot of mistakes, too many mistakes to ever redeem himself in my eyes

I see your point han, you are only counting the trophies we won under Carlo. But try to be a little more thorough and you'll see: 3 Champions League finals, 1 semi-final and 1 quarter-final in 5 years. That is a massive achievement for a coach. Surely, in Italy he wasn't as successful as we'd all had wished, but Carlo brought us back to the top of Europe after a long period of abstinence. Not to mention all the spectacular football we played back then. That doesn't mean I rate him higher than Sacchi and Capello, but the guy sits just next to them.

With the 3 CL finals I see Istanbul as well with them. Same thing with the Deportive thing. Carlo was a KO genius in the CL I don't deny that, I'm also the first to tell you that between 03 and 05/06 we played some of the best football in Europe. But some of his mistakes to me are just way to big to look past. The league disappointment to me is another thing that I cannot get over not when he had the team he did

1-1 Ht,Napoli vs Bari.Cavani has impressed.He scored the goal,and in addition to his work up front.He was able to help the midfeild.

Elaborate more on the team he had between 02 and 06, the team that finished 2nd on more than one occasion with a Juve team that was of the highest caliber. You take the 2nd place finish along with the fact that Milan was flying the italian flag alone at the most elite brand of European football. Hence, I see no wrong done by Carlo until then.

07 till 09, he was with a drained out squad with not much depth into it. I didnt see Leo doing any better. And the creme de la creme was the issue of Serie A being robbed from Italian football since 2006

I am not decorating Carlo, he is already decorated and is continuing his career as a grand coach in England.

If you find his flaws to be greater than the Champions League badge, on the side of the shirt, jumping from 5 to 7 in the span of four years, bar the final in between (which could have made it an 8). That is injustice in itself han.

Juve's team was great but Milan had an edge over it. Imo Carlo could have done more. During those times, we had an all Italian final, 3 teams in the semi finals, Inter and Juve both going long way in the CL as well. It wasn't as bad as you make it seem. Milan flew the flag in Europe from 05 to 07, seasons before that the other top teams in Italy were competitive

So what you're saying is that Carlo is ok as long as he has a top quality team, but when some of that quality is lost he cannot compensate for it. We'll see how he does at Chelsea when his squad isn't as good as it currently is, a squad that imo is one of the top 5 in Europe.

I never said Carlo is sh!t or anything along those lines, but imo he could have done a lot more at Milan, he could have built a leagcy that surpassed the other 2 coaches mentioned, but made mistakes that prevented that.

Also talking about Leo, he inherited an even weaker squad off Carlo and managed a better finish then Carlo, that imo says a lot

Juve played with only 3 Non-italians that game against sampdoria. That is impressive !

This is basically my opinion of him.

I'm not going to say he's a bad coach, because a bad coach will still fail with a great team and Carlo didn't fail. I just don't think he won enough, 2 CLs and 1 league title in a decade in charge of Italys big 2, it's not all that impressive.

You keep bringing up does mistakes, while I honestly mean Istambul was pure luck.

On the other hand, we keep mentioning Capello and Sacchi, but can we compare those two time periods? Honestly? Champions Cup and Champions League makes a hell of a difference. In Capello/Sacchi days Milan had usually a easy start with teams like Ljubljana or HJK from Finland to deal, while tuff opposition occured only in quater finals and the semis. It was way easier to get to the final, then in the complicated Champions League system, espcially in the pre-Platini era with two group stages.


IMO it says very little and masks the reality. It's like saying - Capello managed to finish 11th with Milan, while the next season Tabarez and Morini did better end the next one Zaccheroni got us the scudetto - does it say a lot?

Honestly, can't we agree that Leonardo was a rookie coach who marked one of Milan's biggest defeats against Inter in history? Can someone like the guy or rate him after such a debacle?

han, Carlo is not an ok coach .. Name one coach post Sacchi & Capello's first stints, that hauled in 8 trophies at their time with Milan.

la merda and Juve don't come close to Milan's record in that competition when Carlo was coach. Agree Juve had a remarkable squad, while la merda had a great XI, but neither of them showed what Milan under Carlo showed in that competition.

Leo had as much chance of winning the Scudetto as Roma did twice post 2006; zero chance.

8 trophies in 8 years, but only 3 major trophies. The World Club Cup, European Super Cup and Italian Super Cup are glorified friendlies. I see Jose get alot of criticism on the board and if I were to claim he'd won 17 trophies in the past 8 years(which also includes an 8 month period where he wasn't managing), some on here would go on about how some 'dont count' or whatever.

If 8 in 8 years is great, then 17 in 8 years is, well, Special.

Also 17 in 8 gives some orgasms

Did Jose Mourinho coach Milan ? Well if he ever gets the privilage then we can talk, until then Carlo out did his unsuccessful predecessors

I agree that Ancelotti out did the coaches before him, but that's not difficult given the disasters we went through under them!

Some said that the team was celebrating during half time that night. That's bringing on trouble imo, the match isn't over until the ref blows his whistle. Sure they were lucky but imo Milan played into it big time. And Carlo shouldn't have condoned such an attitude when he should know better

You can only beat what is in front of you, alot of people talk about our 07 win as something that was thanks to the poor opposition we faced until we met Man U who had a decimated defence.

The point still stand with a stronger team Carlo couldn't even make the CL spots, while Leo at least managed 3rd. After losing Kaka and Paolo. And we had some bad losses under Carlo against Inter as well so... My point here is, that without a top class team Carlo cannot manage anything. Look at him winning in England, he has the best team in the country imo, while Man U lost a lot of strength when they sold C.Ron, someone who used to score over 30 goals a season.


Like kurt said, he only managed 3 major triophies, who really cares about the others aside from the management, who like to put BS statements under the team crest...

Like I said before, I think Carlo was a genius when it came to KO rounds, but Inter and Juve in the time were Milan were really strong in the competition weren't as weak as you're making them out to be. The only time Milan really 'flew the flag' was in 07 when Inter got KO'd early and Juve were out completely due to playing in Serie B

I wasn't talking about him winning the Scudetto, I was talking about doing better in a season then Carlo with a much weaker team.


I'm no Mourinho fan but I agree with you completely

Oh Christ, you still believe that?

I do. Maldini said it wasn't celebrating, but arguing.. yeah, okay. If you're going to lie to cover something up, at least make it vaguely believable. Arguing!