kurtsimonw
May 25 2011, 06:58 PM
Funny that, a Rangers fan doesn't think he's all that great. Blackpool fans don't seem to either given their PotY voting and they'd know better than most. Yet the 'experts' think he's worth £10m or whatever.
Not big news, but Gavin McCann has announced his retirement after failing to recover from an anlke injury. Not a great player, by any means, but always gave his all and did hs job. Will fondly remember his superb 03/04 campaign at Villa Park. He will also go down as the first man to eliminate Roman Abramovich's Chelsea from a competition with his league Cup QF goal against them. All the best Gav!
kurtsimonw
May 27 2011, 10:45 AM
Alexsandr Hleb, Matt Derbyshire, Obafemi Martins, David Bentley Seb Larsson, Kevin Phillips, Lee Bowyer, Maik Taylor, Martin Jiranek, Marcus & Stuart Parnaby have all left small heath.
At least they're keeping all the Villa rejects that sent them down. You can have Habib Beye next season!
Jack Sparrow
May 27 2011, 11:11 AM
Hleb was on loan anyway so...
Could we get him? He's not great but a useful squad player. We could land him on loan...
kurtsimonw
May 27 2011, 12:28 PM
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 27 2011, 11:11 AM)

Hleb was on loan anyway so...
That's what makes it so much better though. They weren't paying his wages, same goes for some of the other loands they had. So they've lost most of their best players without reducing their wage bill. Fantastic.

QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ May 27 2011, 11:11 AM)

Could we get him? He's not great but a useful squad player. We could land him on loan...
That's not a bad shout, I rate Hleb.
Danny
May 27 2011, 02:19 PM
Hleb is world class. I'd take him.
X-Offender
May 27 2011, 02:37 PM
Crap, I didn't know he was already 30! Tempus fugit.
Danny
May 27 2011, 03:08 PM
tbh I'd take quite a few of those players at Rangers. Larsson, Bowyer, Bentley, Martins...
Jack Bauer
May 27 2011, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ May 27 2011, 04:19 PM)

Hleb is world class. I'd take him.
Was world class. I haven't seen something special from him since he left Arsenal.
Milan Are Brilliant
May 27 2011, 07:00 PM
Nah, I wouldn't take Hleb nowadays. He's pretty egotistical as well, blatantly wasn't trying at Birmingham, mind you who would...
kurtsimonw
May 28 2011, 05:52 PM
Torquay lost.
Milan Are Brilliant
May 28 2011, 05:56 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 28 2011, 05:52 PM)

Torquay lost.

Can't argue, we were the better side but things weren't going our way, we'd go through on goal trip over the ball, go through on goal the ball would flick up in our feet and go behind us, hit the woodwork - but that's standard now, the fact we hit it only once is quite good. I'd love to see our stats on how many times we've hit it this year, but it doesn't matter it didn't hit the back of the net.
Good luck to Stevenage, goal worthy of winning any match, even tonights. Obviously disappointed but we wouldn't have stayed up if we went up. Only thing is it looks like Buckle will go to Rovers now, so we will be fighting relegation again next season, no doubt.
Danny
May 29 2011, 04:25 PM
Kurt's lot can bugger right off if they think they're signing Allan McGregor. On the other hand they can have Charlie Adam with my blessing.
Milan Are Brilliant
May 30 2011, 04:00 PM
Swansea 3-0 up at half-time in the play-off final. Not quite sure how, they haven't been that good.
Milan Are Brilliant
May 30 2011, 04:58 PM
Swansea are in the Prem 4-2, quality final, again.
kurtsimonw
May 30 2011, 06:23 PM
The richest game in footall won by a Welsh team.
CHU-LIP
May 30 2011, 06:39 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 30 2011, 07:23 PM)

The richest game in footall won by a Welsh team.

The richest game in football? I don't follow...
Milan Are Brilliant
May 30 2011, 06:43 PM
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ May 30 2011, 06:39 PM)

The richest game in football? I don't follow...
To get promoted to the Premiership in one game really. I think it's worth something like £90m to a club nowadays, I'm sure I heard that figure somewhere. Not in winnings but with all the stuff the Prem brings to a club!
CHU-LIP
May 30 2011, 06:47 PM
QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ May 30 2011, 07:43 PM)

To get promoted to the Premiership in one game really. I think it's worth something like £90m to a club nowadays, I'm sure I heard that figure somewhere. Not in winnings but with all the stuff the Prem brings to a club!
I see. Thnx
Fillipo Simone
May 30 2011, 07:05 PM
Well, isn't this the first Welsh club ever to be in the EPL? I'm happy for them.
Milan Are Brilliant
May 30 2011, 07:09 PM
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ May 30 2011, 07:05 PM)

Well, isn't this the first Welsh club ever to be in the EPL? I'm happy for them.
Since it got re-branded to the Premiership, yeah. They've been in the top division before though.
I'd rather Swansea than Cardiff anyway.
dst
May 30 2011, 09:00 PM
So SAF talked about a restriction that coaches in England have and they can only coach youngsters for one and a half hour every day... what the f*** is that all about, am I missing something? It sounds as random as restricting team staff with non-black cars to park outside the team's facilities... seriously, what am I missing, why is that restriction there?
mishie
May 30 2011, 09:33 PM
QUOTE (dst @ May 30 2011, 09:00 PM)

So SAF talked about a restriction that coaches in England have and they can only coach youngsters for one and a half hour every day... what the f*** is that all about, am I missing something? It sounds as random as restricting team staff with non-black cars to park outside the team's facilities... seriously, what am I missing, why is that restriction there?
To make sure that the youngsters don't miss out on their academic education to ensure that if they don't make it as footballers they still have a complete education to fall back on.
dst
May 30 2011, 09:57 PM
so the solution is to restrict the coaches? if they want to make sure the kids complete their education they should penalize them when and if they fail to do well, they should not hinder their progress in football this way in my view.
mishie
May 30 2011, 10:18 PM
when you look at the small percentage that actually make it as professional footballers then it perhaps makes sense to restrict their time until they reach full time academy's. plus also in england certain laws need to be applied concerning child labour so there are many rules and regulations that need to be adhered to
Bluesummers
May 30 2011, 11:20 PM
QUOTE (dst @ May 30 2011, 02:00 PM)

So SAF talked about a restriction that coaches in England have and they can only coach youngsters for one and a half hour every day... what the f*** is that all about, am I missing something? It sounds as random as restricting team staff with non-black cars to park outside the team's facilities... seriously, what am I missing, why is that restriction there?
It has nothing to do with education or there chances of making it.
Also its not a rule in just england, the UK, Canada and the United States follow it as well.
The reasons behind the rule is that new research came out saying that kids who are trained 2 hours every session in comparison to 1.5 hours have alot higher chances of developing injuries.
Also they say after the 1.5 hour mark, kids don't have the capacity to concentrate and be effective in the practice. Basically their mind begins to wander they become careless and get hurt.
Basic practice structures follow this guideline:
15 minutes warm up
45 minutes of drills (tactical, technical etc..)
20 minutes of game (scrimage, 7v7 etc)
10 minutes of cool down
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now why is SAF complaining about this? Its because we take this to heart literly. Its just a guideline for structured practice.
Yes kids are supposed to only be "coached" for an 1.5 hour 4x a week(3 prac and 1 game) but we take this literally. So instead of kids going to practice and then going outside after and playing a pick up game with freinds (like it was in the past), they go home and do other things.
So they suffer technically in comparison to kids from other countries who do go outside after practice and hone their abilities on the streets.
mishie
May 30 2011, 11:27 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ May 30 2011, 11:20 PM)

It has nothing to do with education or there chances of making it.
Also its not a rule in just england, the UK, Canada and the United States follow it as well.
The reasons behind the rule is that new research came out saying that kids who are trained 2 hours every session in comparison to 1.5 hours have alot higher chances of developing injuries.
Also they say after the 1.5 hour mark, kids don't have the capacity to concentrate and be effective in the practice. Basically their mind begins to wander they become careless and get hurt.
Basic practice structures follow this guideline:
15 minutes warm up
45 minutes of drills (tactical, technical etc..)
20 minutes of game (scrimage, 7v7 etc)
10 minutes of cool down
yes it does
Bluesummers
May 30 2011, 11:29 PM
QUOTE (mishie @ May 30 2011, 04:27 PM)

yes it does
the purpose behind it has nothing to do with alternate activities. It was implemented for the sole purpose of reducing injuries and creating more effective practices.
Some coaches have 3 hour long practices that are meaningless and do more damage than good. Its trying to prevent that from happening.
mishie
May 30 2011, 11:32 PM
how do you know this you coach under 16's or something?
Bluesummers
May 30 2011, 11:34 PM
QUOTE (mishie @ May 30 2011, 04:32 PM)

how do you know this you coach under 16's or something?

that hurt mishie

Yeah i've been coaching for 7 years now. Coached all levels from 8 years old to 18 years old and men. Don't you know i'm the next mourinho!!!

your mean mishie
mishie
May 30 2011, 11:40 PM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ May 30 2011, 11:34 PM)


that hurt mishie

Yeah i've been coaching for 7 years now. Coached all levels from 8 years old to 18 years old and men. Don't you know i'm the next mourinho!!!

so if this rule is "new" how come the coaching sessions i do/done have always been 90 mins and always with the guidelines of education coming 1st.....now if we are talking training at professional clubs (which i take it you do) then every session is usually 2 hours obviously the are getting educated at the acadmy...and as for playing on the streets etc
NONE of the boys at our acadamy are allowed to play for anyone else not even thoose still attending school. as for being the next Mourinho well thats your claim....i don't claim to be anything special...perhaps thats were we differ
Bluesummers
May 31 2011, 12:11 AM
QUOTE (mishie @ May 30 2011, 04:40 PM)

so if this rule is "new" how come the coaching sessions i do/done have always been 90 mins and always with the guidelines of education coming 1st.....now if we are talking training at professional clubs (which i take it you do) then every session is usually 2 hours obviously the are getting educated at the acadmy...and as for playing on the streets etc
NONE of the boys at our acadamy are allowed to play for anyone else not even thoose still attending school. as for being the next Mourinho well thats your claim....i don't claim to be anything special...perhaps thats were we differ

haha, well i guess i'll have to prove you wrong about the mourinho part

Its not just for professional structure its for all structure.
90 minutes max with the hope that kids go out and practice what they learned. I'm not talking about playing games(structured) with jerseys and everything. I mean playing pick up games like on the street. Now if your club doesn't allow kids to do that then you will pay the consequences for it later and its not just your club that does that, thousands and thousands of clubs act like they "own" the players and its hurting their developments.
the club I coach at does the same thing and we produce maybe 3 quality players out of 300. Quite sad actually.
1.5 hours a day then off to homework and xbox while kids in south america are exposed to 6 hours a day.
Zed.D
May 31 2011, 01:41 PM
QUOTE
Man United midfielder Paul Scholes retires
LONDON (AP)—Manchester United midfielder Paul Scholes announced his retirement on Tuesday, ending the trophy-laden career of a famously low-key player widely regarded as one of the most technically gifted of his generation.
The 36-year-old Scholes made 676 appearances for United after making his debut for the club in 1994 and was the midfield heartbeat of a team that has dominated English soccer for the past two decades.
Spain midfielder Xavi called Scholes “the best central midfielder that I have seen,” while France great Zinedine Zidane once branded him “almost untouchable.”
“I am not a man of many words but I can honestly say that playing football is all I have ever wanted to do and to have had such a long and successful career at Manchester United has been a real honor,” said Scholes, who eschewed the celebrity lifestyle of many modern day soccer players and rarely gave interviews.
“This was not a decision that I have taken lightly, but I feel now is the right time for me to stop playing.”
Scholes won 10 Premier League titles—and 24 trophies in total—with United, scoring 150 goals, but was no longer a regular choice in the first team by the end of the recently completed season, leading to growing speculation about his playing future. His last appearance for the northwest power was as a late substitute in Saturday’s 3-1 defeat to Barcelona in the Champions League final at Wembley.
Earlier in the month, he had helped United claim a record 19th English title, overhauling Liverpool as the country’s most successful league team. He made 66 appearances for England before retiring from international soccer in 2004 to concentrate on his club career.
A one-club man, Scholes said he will stay at United by taking up a coaching role starting next season.
“What more can I say about Paul Scholes that I haven’t said before,” United manager Alex Ferguson said. “We are going to miss a truly unbelievable player.
“Paul has always been fully committed to this club and I am delighted he will be joining the coaching staff from next season. Paul has always been inspirational to players of all ages and we know that will continue in his new role.”
Starting out as a deep-lying forward, Scholes eventually dropped back into central midfield where his touch, technique and vision could be more effectively utilized. He never lost his eye for the goal, though, and turned his late runs into the penalty box into an art form.
Scholes had a particularly fierce shot and was always dangerous from outside the box.
“He can play the final pass, he can score, he is strong, he never gets knocked off the ball and he doesn’t give possession away,” Xavi said. “If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.”
The only part of Scholes’ game that let him down was his tackling, which was often late and clumsy. He missed the dramatic win over Bayern Munich in the 1999 Champions League final because of suspension, but started in 2008 when United beat Chelsea on penalties in Moscow to claim its third European Cup.
“It is very sad day for Manchester United fans around the world,” said United chief executive David Gill. “We all know that Paul was one of the players that came through the ranks of the academy system in the 1990s and has established himself as one of the greatest players to ever wear the United shirt.”
After Gary Neville, Scholes is the second member of the batch of young talent to burst into United’s first team during the early 1990s, which also included David Beckham and Ryan Giggs, to retire this season.
“Paul Scholes- The Best! Great Player, Person, Friend,” Neville posted on Twitter.
United defender Rio Ferdinand used his Twitter account to describe Scholes as “the BEST player of his generation.”
“Paul Scholes aka Sat Nav went from a scoring midfielder to a dictator of the game(changed his game while still at top of the game),” Ferdinand wrote.
Current England coach Fabio Capello tried to tempt him back to the national team just a few weeks before last year’s World Cup in South Africa but Scholes declined, saying he hadn’t been given enough time to make the decision.
Great player indeed. even though he could be reckless sometimes.
I didn't know Xavi was a fan...
kurtsimonw
May 31 2011, 03:32 PM
“If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.”
Very true Xavi!
mishie
May 31 2011, 07:29 PM
A good player indeed even of he couldn't tackle! Not a great in my mind but certainly close to it!
Danny
Jun 1 2011, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ May 31 2011, 03:32 PM)

“If he had been Spanish then maybe he would have been valued more.”
Very true Xavi!
Actually a load of crap. Spanish players only became the bee's knees following the Euros. Which coincided with Barcelona's rise to immortaldome.
Scholes has had the right amount of praise in his career - a magnificent, humble, low key player who was under undervalued by anyone. Just like Giggs never was either. Yet both stayed at Utd. One club players.
Saying that, Scholes couldn't tackle for shite...
Danny
Jun 1 2011, 02:17 PM
QUOTE (mishie @ May 31 2011, 07:29 PM)

A good player indeed even of he couldn't tackle! Not a great in my mind but certainly close to it!
Ha, didn't see your reply. I'd say he's one of the top 20 EPL players of all time.
kurtsimonw
Jun 1 2011, 06:52 PM
Not a fan of the top 2.

acid911
Jun 1 2011, 07:01 PM
You'd love the one with the odds at 28/1.

At least most other fans would, I reckon.
kurtsimonw
Jun 1 2011, 07:04 PM
Most Villa fans have the same opinion as me on Carlo to be honest. Give him the best squad in the World and he'll do okay. Otherwise you may as well look elsewhere.
Moyes, Martinez, Coyle, Jol or Poyet I'd like out of the ones listed.
acid911
Jun 1 2011, 07:16 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 1 2011, 11:04 PM)

Most Villa fans have the same opinion as me on Carlo to be honest. Give him the best squad in the World and he'll do okay. Otherwise you may as well look elsewhere.
Yeah, mine's the same as well.

But I do think he'll secure a good finish for a club like Villa if things go well for him. Maybe 5th, 6th position at the end of the season. At least he's better than duds like Benetiz and Grant.
kurtsimonw
Jun 2 2011, 05:26 PM
Villa have played down the link to Mark Hughes and Fulham are in talks with him over a ex contract. He wouldn't be the worst choice ever, but I'm more of a fan of managers who really earn their way up to the EPL. Moyes, Martinez or Poyet I'd still like. Can't see any of them leaving though.

EDIT: Hughes has quit as Fulham manager. Dammit.
il_diavolo_mtl
Jun 2 2011, 09:05 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 2 2011, 12:26 PM)

Villa have played down the link to Mark Hughes and Fulham are in talks with him over a ex contract. He wouldn't be the worst choice ever, but I'm more of a fan of managers who really earn their way up to the EPL. Moyes, Martinez or Poyet I'd still like. Can't see any of them leaving though.

EDIT: Hughes has quit as Fulham manager. Dammit.
haha i saw that, also how was makoun last year?
kurtsimonw
Jun 2 2011, 10:04 PM
He was brilliant in a few games, made some stupid mistakes in others. Was rested towards the end. Can't really judge him yet.
kurtsimonw
Jun 3 2011, 03:16 AM
Brad Friedel signed for Spurs, Gomes out then I imagine? Ben Foster to replace Friedel at Villa. Not a fan personally, though pissing off small heath would be one positive of signing him.
Danny
Jun 7 2011, 05:02 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 3 2011, 03:16 AM)

Brad Friedel signed for Spurs, Gomes out then I imagine? Ben Foster to replace Friedel at Villa. Not a fan personally, though pissing off small heath would be one positive of signing him.
The McGregor link has died down a bit, Rangers looking to extend his deal.
Did you hear today's story? Apparently we're in for taking Cuellar back.
kurtsimonw
Jun 7 2011, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 7 2011, 05:02 PM)

The McGregor link has died down a bit, Rangers looking to extend his deal.
Did you hear today's story? Apparently we're in for taking Cuellar back.
Foster and Al Habsi are the only keepers we've been strongly linked with, at least by the papers here. Don't rate Foster, but the small heath fans will hang themself if we take him.
As for Cuellar, I'd be surprised if you could afford him to be honest. He's the best centre back at the club so under a new manager he'll be playing every week anyway.
Kazdoodle
Jun 7 2011, 07:50 PM
Doubt cuellar would be going back to rangers. Hes gone too high up and at villa to simply contemplate going back to rangers. was a good player for them though.
Danny
Jun 8 2011, 01:25 PM
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jun 7 2011, 05:19 PM)

Foster and Al Habsi are the only keepers we've been strongly linked with, at least by the papers here. Don't rate Foster, but the small heath fans will hang themself if we take him.
Good good, just as long as it's not McGregor.
QUOTE
As for Cuellar, I'd be surprised if you could afford him to be honest. He's the best centre back at the club so under a new manager he'll be playing every week anyway.
He wants to return...and remember we're under new ownership and have a few more pennies than we did.
Danny
Jun 8 2011, 01:28 PM
QUOTE (Kazdoodle @ Jun 7 2011, 07:50 PM)

Doubt cuellar would be going back to rangers. Hes gone too high up and at villa to simply contemplate going back to rangers. was a good player for them though.
No disrespect to Kurt, and he probably knows this; but Villa are nothing these days but an average EPL team. They don't win anything and they're miles off a CL spot. Maybe a new manager would do them a MON and take them a bit higher.
Cuellar himself says: "Then there is the Champions League and the chance to win trophies again. Who wouldn't be excited about something like that?"
That said he also swore he was staying at Ibrox for a long time.
We'll see.
kurtsimonw
Jun 8 2011, 03:32 PM
QUOTE (Danny @ Jun 8 2011, 01:28 PM)

No disrespect to Kurt, and he probably knows this; but Villa are nothing these days but an average EPL team. They don't win anything and they're miles off a CL spot. Maybe a new manager would do them a MON and take them a bit higher.
"These days"? Come on, we had 1 bad season where we lost our best player late in the transfer window and didn't have the chance to replace him. We had 4 different managers over the season and had the worst injury crisis in club history. Yet we still finished 9th, just a few points off Europe.
The previous 3 seasons we finished 6th. Finishing above Liverpool, billionnaire City and Spurs in the process. 3 teams that've qualified for the CL in recent years. Although I suppose the real question is, do you think Rangers are better than Villa?
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