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CHU-LIP
QUOTE (samira @ Oct 12 2010, 09:47 PM) *
I probably should be a shame to say this, but Why in h3ll did we let go Huntelaar and bought Zlatan..
3-0 and a wonderful goal too.

Zlatan is still better than Klaas-Jan. This match doesn't change that. By the way, who in our team can cross? So what should we do with Huntelaar then?
samira
No, but he worked his way in Netherland and he could have done that with Milan as well.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 12 2010, 08:48 PM) *
Game suspended. I hope UEFA makes their voice heard and punishes those Serbian terrorists for good.

Punish how? They can't ban Serbia from competition because then it's UEFA proving they have 1 rule for some, then another rule for others. A few Italian clubs have had games called off in Europe in recent years, with pathetic punishments like fines and behind closed doors matches.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (samira @ Oct 12 2010, 09:52 PM) *
No, but he worked his way in Netherland and he could have done that with Milan as well.

With what crosses? unsure.gif
Tennie
Kurt, ffs, will you please stop with the martyr syndrome against UEFA? It's gotten very very old.
samira
I didn't see your post tongue.gif But he has been way better then hewas in Milan and I think the way he plays with Netherland and WB is amazing
Suhail 3
Huntelaar is in a team performing 999x better tonight hes had chances on a plate an openings

stop this childish comparison ZLATAN over huntelaar any f@ccccccccckeeeen daaaaaaaay
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 12 2010, 09:53 PM) *
Punish how? They can't ban Serbia from competition because then it's UEFA proving they have 1 rule for some, then another rule for others. A few Italian clubs have had games called off in Europe in recent years, with pathetic punishments like fines and behind closed doors matches.


Ban Serbian fans from going into stadiums abroad for 200 years and play all domestic games behind closed doors.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 12 2010, 08:55 PM) *
Kurt, ffs, will you please stop with the martyr syndrome against UEFA? It's gotten very very old.

Errr.. so are you saying that Italian clubs haven't had games called off in recent years? What I stated was fact and if UEFA are as fair as you believe them to be, the punishments should be the same. We'll see.
Fillipo Simone
That's what you expect when a Balkan team plays a match. It's always on the edge. Totally disgracefull.

But that Football Italia article is hilarious. The same guys who rioted at Gay pride. Haha...how naive.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 12 2010, 09:08 PM) *
That's what you expect when a Balkan team plays a match. It's always on the edge. Totally disgracefull.

Not fair to lump them all in with each other. Montenegro have been a bit cynical with their play, but the fans have behaved superbly.
Tennie
What I'm saying Kurt is that I'm very tired of your 'one rule for some, another rule for others' mantra about UEFA. They're not out to get England and trust me, Italy at least doesn't get special treatment.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Tennie @ Oct 12 2010, 09:12 PM) *
What I'm saying Kurt is that I'm very tired of your 'one rule for some, another rule for others' mantra about UEFA. They're not out to get England and trust me, Italy at least doesn't get special treatment.

I never mentioned England, interesting that you'd bring them up though.
X-Offender
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 12 2010, 10:10 PM) *
Not fair to lump them all in with each other. Montenegro have been a bit cynical with their play, but the fans have behaved superbly.


True. I don't remember a single episode when Albanian fans have behaved in such manners during a NT game.
Milan Are Brilliant
Wow Montenegro this makes Van Bommel look like a fluffy puppy compared to this, it's literally like watching a bunch of talentless thugs.
Tennie
y'know what, I'm stepping back. Should probably not have logged on today at all.

Not sure I like some attitudes in this place right now and what those attitudes are doing to my own.

People who know where to find me are more than welcome to email.
kurtsimonw
Young fouled in the box, booked for diving. laugh.gif

I've seen less contact in a De Jong tackle FFS.
Boban10
QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Oct 12 2010, 09:18 PM) *
it's literally a bunch of talentless thugs.


Enuff about england, what about Montenegro laugh.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
I'm all for physical play and a contact sport, but this is a joke. Every time we go through its a nasty, nasty foul.

Any country would be complaining/annoyed about this, it's not because I'm English!
kurtsimonw
Jesus Christ, Ashley's gonna be dead before this game's done.
Milan Are Brilliant
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 12 2010, 09:23 PM) *
Jesus Christ, Ashley's gonna be dead before this game's done.

They've managed to break his footwear, next his leg...
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 12 2010, 10:10 PM) *
Not fair to lump them all in with each other. Montenegro have been a bit cynical with their play, but the fans have behaved superbly.

Belive me. It's the same theme, just variations. And Serbia plays the original, the main theme. Montenegro has plenty of time to show themselves off. Croatia did also in a few occasions.
kurtsimonw
Big Kev on for Crouch.

Well done to Kevin Davies on getting his debut. If Montenegro thought they were physical, wait until their defenders get a load of this.. laugh.gif
kurtsimonw
2 penalties not given. rolleyes.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
I wasn't sure about the Young one, but that handball was absolutely blatant.
kurtsimonw
0-0.

That's rare, a referee not giving a blatent decision in Englands favour, who'd have thought it? wink.gif
Milan Are Brilliant
Yeah, it was definitely handball, still I felt like it was summer and I was back in June here, it's good to see we can play that bad in qualification as well.

Though I do pin some blame on Montenegro (as a football team) because some of their tackles were awful. I don't expect them to come and try and outplay us all guns blazing because that would be fairly optimistic for them. Though the way we were hacked down time and time again was unreal, there are other ways of defending.
X-Offender
If it makes you feel any better, Italy were denied a penalty that even a blind man would have seen. That is, before the game was suspended.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Oct 12 2010, 09:57 PM) *
Yeah, it was definitely handball, still I felt like it was summer and I was back in June here, it's good to see we can play that bad in qualification as well.

Though I do pin some blame on Montenegro (as a football team) because some of their tackles were awful. I don't expect them to come and try and outplay us all guns blazing because that would be fairly optimistic for them. Though the way we were hacked down time and time again was unreal, there are other ways of defending.

Yeah, what they did wasn't tackling, it was attacks. Attacks on British soil no less, we should declare war on the little *******.

I don't blame them though, I blame the ref. Barry and Davies got booked for nothing really, Young got booked for being fouled. Their players were kicking the crap out of ours and were getting no punishment, so they carried on because the ref let them.

Disappointing result, we should be winning every game at home. Bias or not, taking off Young while Johnson did nothing all second half was stupid, everything we did was coming from Young/Cole on the left. So we bring on Shaun "can't cross for" shite-Phillips.
kurtsimonw
Just listening on the radio. Italy will be likely given the 3-0 win, both teams possibly having to play the remaining games behind closed doors. The Serbians for the fans causing trouble, The Italians for the security not doing their job, with potential risk of harm to fans.
Fillipo Simone
Haha, now Italy has tu suffer because a bunch of barbaric terrorists. Unbelivable.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 12 2010, 11:04 PM) *
Haha, now Italy has tu suffer because a bunch of barbaric terrorists. Unbelivable.

It's not right however you look at it. The Serbian NT have to forfeit a game and play with no fans because of some individuals.

Italian security is a risk to their own fans to be honest, you rarely see a game without a flare. I think I've seen 2 flares at Villa Park in my entire life, both followed up with life bans. It's not difficult to stop if you do your job properly.

It's a shame a bunch of retarded fans have to bring politics and **** into football. Some of the scenes at tonights game were a disgrace, I thought this kind of things was confined to the history books.
Jack Bauer
At least Zambro and Pirlo will have more rest time wink.gif
X-Offender
Nah, I doubt Italy will be sanctioned in any way. It'd be just plain stupid. You didn't see the images Kurt, those ultra were simply animals. Flares or non-flares, it wouldn't have made a single difference. Besides, FIGC officials clam the Serb police gave no indication such dangerous fans were coming to Genoa.

As I write this, they've re-entered the stadium and are clashing with the Italian police.

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Oct 13 2010, 12:26 AM) *
At least Zambro and Pirlo will have more rest time wink.gif


Hey, I hadn't thought of it that way. biggrin.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Oct 12 2010, 11:37 PM) *
Nah, I doubt Italy will be sanctioned in any way. It'd be just plain stupid. You didn't see the images Kurt, those ultra were simply animals. Flares or non-flares, it wouldn't have made a single difference. Besides, FIGC officials clam the Serb police gave no indication such dangerous fans were coming to Genoa.

Maybe not images, but I've seen videos.

Allowing flares, cutters, whatever, into a stadium is not good enough. The game would have gone ahead in security did their job. How can they throw stuff onto the field of play if there's nothing to throw?

I personally wouldn't punish Italy, but Italian football/security needs an overhaul. While the real World needs to wake up and actually punish people for wrong doing, instead of a slap on the wrist and a warning.
elcordobez
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Oct 13 2010, 09:04 AM) *
Haha, now Italy has tu suffer because a bunch of barbaric terrorists. Unbelivable.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAKAaX-jcTg


It's ALL good,blessing in disguise Pirlo gets a weeks much needed rest biggrin.gif
servbot
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Oct 12 2010, 05:51 PM) *
Maybe not images, but I've seen videos.

Allowing flares, cutters, whatever, into a stadium is not good enough. The game would have gone ahead in security did their job. How can they throw stuff onto the field of play if there's nothing to throw?

I personally wouldn't punish Italy, but Italian football/security needs an overhaul. While the real World needs to wake up and actually punish people for wrong doing, instead of a slap on the wrist and a warning.


I've got to agree with Kurt here. If even half of the stuff in that article is true about what happened outside the stadium, the game should have been stopped, before players even took the field. I can't imagine those jackasses on the plexiglass should have gotten anything less than a taser to the face either. They should be lucky just to get that.

I am glad for the rest our guys will get though.
servbot
QUOTE
Police investigating rioting at the Italy-Serbia game have detained 17 people, including the alleged ringleader, and UEFA warned that sanctions against Serbia could include disqualification from the European Championship or exclusion from future competitions.

The match in Genoa Tuesday was abandoned after seven minutes when Serbia fans threw flares and fireworks onto the field, burned a flag and broke barriers. Violent clashes continued through the night, injuring 16 people, including two policemen.

UEFA opened an investigation Wednesday and its disciplinary panel will hear the case Oct. 28.

Police found the alleged instigator of the rioting in the trunk of a bus that was to take the Serbian fans home from the Euro 2012 qualifier. Although his face was covered by a mask during the violence, police identified him by the tattoos on his arms and found explosive material in his possession.

Genoa police official Sebastiano Salvo identified the ringleader as 30-year-old Ivan Bogdanov, who climbed onto a barrier separating fans from the field, used a wire cutter to slice apart a mesh fence and launched fireworks onto the field.

Bogdanov didn't say anything when he was arrested and was being held in a Genoa jail under accusations of causing violence and damage and resisting arrest, Salvo said, adding that 600 pieces of fireworks and explosives were found in four bags inside the bus holding Serbian fans.

Serbian media reported that Bogdanov has a criminal record, including drug possession. He leads one of the most notorious Red Star Belgrade fan groups.

Of the 17 people detained, 16 were Serbian fans and one was an Italian, Salvo told The Associated Press.

Hours before the match, a flare was thrown at Serbia's top goalkeeper, Vladimir Stojkovic, inside the team bus, and Italy's squad found him trembling inside the Azzurri changing room when it arrived at Luigi Ferraris Stadium.

Stojkovic upset some Red Star Belgrade fans by moving to the fierce rival Partizan in the offseason.

Serbia's interior minister, Ivica Dacic, criticized Italian police for failing to prevent the riots or protect Serbian players, saying the Italians had been advised of the dangers a few hours before the match.

"The Italian police didn't even try to intervene, and their players seemed like they did not want to play the match," Dacic said.

However, Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic offered an official apology following discussions with Italian counterpart Franco Frattini, with Jeremic saying that Serbia recognizes Italy as one of its biggest supporters to enter the European Union, and that his government won't hesitate to adopt radical measures against the hooligans.

Tomislav Karadzic, head of Serbia's soccer association, said on his return to Belgrade that he believes the rioting was premeditated and apparently organized from Belgrade. He said "these guys did not go there by themselves."

The association said it will meet to discuss the incident as it braces for tough sanctions from UEFA.

UEFA will examine reports from its delegate in Genoa, David Petriashvili of Georgia, and match referee Craig Thomson from Scotland before issuing a verdict.

Serbian officials said the fans belong to the same far-right groups that clashed with police in Belgrade last Sunday while trying to disrupt a gay pride parade, leaving more than 150 people injured.

Serbia's Constitutional Court is scheduled on Wednesday to start discussions on a public prosecutor's demand to ban 14 fan groups mostly belonging to Red Star and Partizan Belgrade clubs.

Serbia fans also clashed with police before Tuesday's match and delayed the start of the game for 45 minutes. When the match finally began, more flares and fireworks were thrown onto the field and referee Thomson stopped the match at 0-0.

Serbia has faced increased criticism at home after losing 3-1 at home Friday to Estonia. That match marked the debut of new coach Vladimir Petrovic, who was called in when Radomir Antic was fired following a 1-1 draw at home with Slovenia last month, which only added to a crisis that began with a disappointing first-round exit from the World Cup.


ESPN
kurtsimonw
Serbian FA going to meet with Platini to talk over possibility of match being replayed.

(Sky Sports News)
Zed.D
Hmm... I don't know. it's not like the Serbian NT is responsible for the traveling fans' (or ultras' to be exact) behavior. the Italian police and stadium security were as much responsible, if not more. so I wouldn't mind a replay.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Oct 16 2010, 12:19 AM) *
Hmm... I don't know. it's not like the Serbian NT is responsible for the traveling fans' (or ultras' to be exact) behavior. the Italian police and stadium security were as much responsible, if not more. so I wouldn't mind a replay.


Pirlo and Zambrotta would. mad.gif
kurtsimonw
If your fans cause a match to be called off, then you have to forfeit. Not fair on the Serbian players, I know, but it's how it is. I'm sure some of these people have probably been in trouble for hooligan acts before, so you shouldn't let them travel to the country where your team is playing,
Locke Lamora
Sepp Blatter knocks it out of the park again: “There are no fences and everyone is sitting in English stadiums. If this had been the case we would not have had the problems we had in Genoa yesterday at the match.”



"GIVE... US... SEATS!!!"
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Oct 16 2010, 02:51 PM) *
Sepp Blatter knocks it out of the park again: “There are no fences and everyone is sitting in English stadiums. If this had been the case we would not have had the problems we had in Genoa yesterday at the match.”

And people wonder why I hate the man?

Seats don't make a difference, good security does. If anything seats will make things worse, it just gives them more to throw on to the field.
X-Offender
Ronaldinho was called by Menezes for Brazil's coming friendly against Argentina on 17 November, along with T. Silva, Robinho and Pato.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE
Ben Foster, Robert Green, Joe Hart;

Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Kieran Gibbs, Phil Jagielka, Joleon Lescott, Micah Richards, Chris Smalling, John Terry;

Gareth Barry, Steven Gerrard, Jordan Henderson, Adam Johnson, James Milner, Theo Walcott, Jack Wilshere, Ashley Young;

Gabriel Agbonlahor, Jay Bothroyd, Andy Carroll, Peter Crouch.

I'm actually embarssed if I'm honest. The only way I can understand him coming up with this squad is if he was trying to pick as many players who haven't played this season.

Why were the FA thinking keeping him on after the World Cup.
William405
Well,he has good credentials ;p

Anyway,England are never destined for glory in the nationals.

Better stick with bragging about the premier league tongue.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (William405 @ Nov 14 2010, 07:19 PM) *
Anyway,England are never destined for glory in the nationals.

Not when we have a coach who picks Jay Bothroyd, I'm not quite sure what was going through his head on that one.
Zed.D
So.. Argentina beat Brazil with Messi's 92nd strike (some of the credit should go to Lavezzi for assisting Messi). it was an even game and Argentina didn't deserve to win. if anything, Brazil had twice as many shots as Argies did...

England-France about to start... tbh, out of the two, I prefer France, so viva les bleus!
kurtsimonw
Benzema 1-0.

Did we fire Capello and hire Allerdyce before the game? That's a bit harsh actually.. Allerdyce plays better football than this.
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