QUOTE (Danny @ Nov 14 2011, 01:27 PM)

I dunno, it just seemed like your comment was representative of Spain as a whole, rather than in one game.
England were defensively robust and had a good game, but to take anything meaninfully positive from that friendly seems naive.
Fail to see how it's naive.
It was actually the perfect way a friendly can play out, in my opinion. We had alot of first team regulars out with the likes of Terry, Ferdinand/Cahill, Gerrard, Young and Rooney which allowed us to use a friendly for what they are essentially for - fringe players.
Lampard gets alot of stick and people saying he shouldn't be in the side, but was superb and deservedly the match-winner. Scott Parker was brilliant. Lescott and Jagielka were a very good partnership, even Glenn Johnson did well defensively. Jones wasn't spectacular but did a job and Milner worked very hard in chasing the ball down. Bent had little service, but about his only touch of the game resulted in an England goal.
Don't see how you can't take positives from it. Our fringe players did a job against the best team in World football. People can say they didn't care or didn't try or whatever. If they didn't care, you wouldn't have Cesc and Silva whining in the media about it. My comment about their lack of shots on target wasn't even aimed at them, more to put accross just how superb we were defensively.
QUOTE (Milan Are Brilliant @ Nov 14 2011, 02:15 PM)

As the people saying before in the build-up these friendlies are always lose-lose in the main.
- if you win, it's just a friendly, no one cares, the opposition didn't care etc.
- if you lose or draw it's game over, 'look at those clowns in England believing they actually have a good side hahaha'.
Least it's a way for the FA to pay back Wembley, because there is absolutely no other meaningful reason to have 2 international friendlies at this stage.
I think some are meaningful if you use them the right way. More often than not we just put out our best XI and its pointless. Get an injury and you're fucked because you don't really know who can step in at International level. Now we can be confident that we have a decent squad of (mostly young) players who are capable of coming in and doing a job.
Otherwise I agree yeah, lose/lose.