QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Aug 13 2008, 09:56 PM)

Standard Liega 0-0 Liverpool
-Liege had a shot that went over the line, goal not given.
-Reina saved a penalty.
-Gerrard is Liverpool. Without him they're crap, Torres looks nothing more than average, Alonso's a waster.
Let's hope Gerrard gets injured for the 2nd leg, then they're out.
Still too early to make judgements. They miss wide-players... that obvious, specially with Babel in the Olympics.
That's why I don't get this Barry-saga.
Man Utd looked like shite in the beginning of last season when Ronaldo missed 2 or 3 matches.
QUOTE (Giancarlo @ Aug 13 2008, 10:57 PM)

I hate liverpool as much as anyone else. Fernando Torres is definitely overrated... he had a lucky shot in the Euro Cup final. Heck it was David Villa driving that team...
Everyone in the EPL is overrated. Rooney, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Gerrard, Lampard, Terry (!), Ferdinand, Vidic, Torres, Barry, Carragher, Carrick (!), Downing, etc etc etc.
No mather how good you are. EPL makes you better.
Funny to see that after the Inter-Liverpool last season, no one here called Torres overrated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyhjLZ3F22YWell... overrated or not - nowadays - he is the best foward in the world.