I don't agree with either statement.

He's not the best forward in the world. Far from it. I can't say for certain who is the best right now... but I think in a few years Alexandre Pato will be far better than Torres.

And in all practical senses, Fernando Torres DID NOT do well for most of the Euro Cup. David Villa did... Villa is a better forward than Torres.

Yes, this actually reminds me how Inter was overrated last season.

Non sense.

Silva did well in the Euro. Much better than Cristiano Ronaldo.
That makes David Silva a better player?

Why do you keep talking about the Euros... talk about the entire season of either player.

Torres : 46 matches - 33 goals = 0,72
Villa : 40 - 22 goals = 0,55

Not to say that it was El Nino's first season in England. Oh, and that he broke Ruud van Nistelrooy's debut-season-in-EPL record. Not to say he's 3 years younger.

Bad season for Valencia? It wasn't a good one for Liverpool too.

Everything is over-rated guys. In one way or another. That's just how opinions and stats are. You have to everything in account of a player to rate him among others of his time.

IMO both had a very good season. There's not much more to say about it,..

I keep talking about the Euros because it's relevant and a major tournament.

Why do you insist on raising this overrated kid to the level of a god? Take Adebayor for example who scored tons of goals, but a lot of them were against teams like Derby County. Just like Torres.



Valencia had its struggles because of defensive issues... Marchena was of concern...

One cannot count just the league or just the Euros. One should take the entirety of play into account.

Overall, I'd say that yes, Torres is one of the better forwards in Europe. His goal/minutes ratio is high though he didn't explode at the Euros as many were expecting him to do. Villa is also very good and showed that at the Euros, though his club performances didn't necessarily show that this year.

As for Valencia's issues, I would say that last year's fiasco was more to do with the disastrously poor coaching by Koeman than issues relating to any particular player or players.

So? Van Basten didn't scored only against Juventus, or Inter.

Talking about Torres as an "overrated kid" is just ridiculous. Spastic.

In that case I would say Huntelaar or Mario Gomes are better than Torres... yet neither of them did well in the Euro Cup either.

Portikins, you're raising him up way too high.

The fish doll might have to bite you for putting MVB in the same sentence with any other striker, Porty.

What if I said "I support Juventus in the CL this season", what would the fish doll do? No cookies, no bite, no nothing, right?

Nah, he'd probably glower a bit but wouldn't say much. He might suggest it's a smart tactic as progressing into the CL would keep the Zebras attention there and possibly divert 'em a bit from the league, but I don't think you'd have to be put into the piranha tank with R7.

Oh OK. Nevermind.

(Unless you want him to get kinky? I didn't know you swung that way, Porty!)

That's more for R7, dst and Jack. Definately.

Yeah like you wouldn't suck Ibra if he asked you to...

I knew Giancarlo and Porty will get along great from the beginning,..

Why would he ask me for that?

^^ Ibra in a bow-tie...

It must be hard for you...

It is.

Two guys who know their football, has strong opinions and don't back down. It was coming.

Ah you think Mou would get jealous right?

Get over it!

I'm surprised you still call him Mou. You and many down here.

I thought the "arrogant p****" mode was already turned on.

Naughty word removed.

I don't like him but I always called him Mou... he's not more of an arrogant pr... now that he's at Inter...

Torres the scorer of the only goal at the Euro finals an "overrated kid?
BTW Hi giancarlo nice to see you alive and kicking

The EURO final, surely?

I think Torres is a very good striker, but he wasn't good at the Euro's in my opinion.

There can be no doubt he was absolutely superb in the final of the Euro. Mertesacker, Metzelder and Lahm didn't contain him at ANY point of the game. If Lehmann would not have had one his better days (don't even wanna think about the result if he had Lehmann crazy man day) Torres would have scored some more.

i dont recall villa contributing beyond the group stage. i mean good for you, he got 3 of his 4 goals in one game and russia defended like amateurs during that game.

while torres scored the deciding goal, and dont tell me spain wouldnt have qualified for the knockout stage if it wasnt for villa.

*snipsnip* edit made

Habitant, you're probably right. My favorite Spanish player of that entire tournament was actually Xavi. He was key in those games. Very critical in the midfield. I'd love to see Xavi play in Milan... even though he's a tad bit short, he's quite a player.

Edit: Don't mean to double edit, but I removed Dru's quote as my post says nothing on it.

Alert!

Both Poulsen and Mellberg are playing in the Zebra CL game today (second leg v. Artmedia). Rather surprisingly, Artmedia leads 1-0 with their goal coming off a set piece (Buffon is in goal too).

Poulsen AND Mellberg on the same field? I wasn't sure a football field could contain so much awesomeness without blowing up. I'll have to find a stream for this.

edit: Imagine if Matrix was there too. Oh **** I hope that did not kill you!

Amauri scored to tie the score 1-1 25 min'

5-1 aggregate I believe right now... unless something insane happens.. there is no way Artmedia can make that up lol...

(What is it with you guys and disturbing mental images today?)

Wisla 1-0 Barca. Great.

Inspite of Guardiola's rhetoric, don't really think the Catalonians give a shite.

After winning 4:0 in the first game of course they don't.

Today will be interesting to see the Atletico Madrid - Schalke clash, and maybe, just maybe, Standard Liege can pull a surprise vs Liverpool

^^^^
Misha. If he's sobered up since news of Shevcheno's return, it probably didn't last long. Dinamo Kiev are leading Spartak Moscow 2-0 in the return leg game of the 3d qualifying round today. Dinamo crushed Spartak in the first leg (played in Moscow).

Trashed them 4:1 in Moscow and today did it again in Kiev with the same result

Before the game there were a big fight between the fans of both teams. Nothing unusual when these two meet

BTW Shakhrtar leading 1:0 in Zagreb (won 2:0 in the first leg) and seems like there will be 2 Ukrainina teams in the CL group stage again

HT Liverpool 0-0 Liege. Liege have arguably been the better side. Had it not been for Reina over the two legs, Liverpool could easily be 3 or 4 down at the moment. No doubt they'll get a dubious free-kick and win it late on.

This is Liverpool's home game right? Wow. They certainly suck. Best wishes to Liege. Hope they score a few. Too bad Digao isn't playing... heard he had a bad injury...

Yes, this is their home game, first leg was 0-0.

I don't often want English teams to go out of Europe, this game is different though!

FT Liverpool 0-0 Liege (0-0 agg.). Extra time to be played.

the second half was more of LP but i think they didnt get a clear cut chance

FT Arsenal 4-0 FC Twente (6-0 agg.)
Goals tonight from:
*Nasri
*Gallas
*Walcott
*Bendtner

fight between the manger in LP game