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dst
Gregorio Manzano has caused a stir after claiming that referees in Spain show bias towards the top clubs.

skysports

Noooooo.

First of all only Italians cheat, right? So what the hell is this? Secondly, I have only seen about 15 league titles gifted to Real and Barcelona so I can't see where this is coming from... rolleyes.gif
misha
Real lost at home 1:0 to Mallorca and also won't continue in the Copa del Rey.
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (mishale @ Jan 17 2008, 01:39 AM)
Real lost at home 1:0 to Mallorca and also won't continue in the Copa del Rey.
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Dudek schifoo !!!!!

But Madrid did field a somewhat strong lineup .. Mallorca were lively and determined to win.

Now Madrid can concentrate on the Liga ... My wish is that they beat Barca again to the title
misha
^^They haven't won it since the early 90's
Portman
QUOTE (mishale @ Jan 16 2008, 10:44 PM)
^^They haven't won it since the early 90's
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Like they care about Copa... rolleyes.gif

Big teams = League + CL.
Maybe there's an exception: the FA Cup.
misha
QUOTE (Porty @ Jan 17 2008, 01:51 AM)
Big teams = League + CL.
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Are you implying that Inter is not a big team? biggrin.gif
Tennie
This coming Sunday is the Madrid derby. Hopefully it'll be a good game. The fish doll and I will be in the stands.smile.gif (Going to Madrid for a short holiday. Weather permitting, I leave this afternoon. If you want a postcard, lemme know today).
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jan 17 2008, 03:45 PM)
This coming Sunday is the Madrid derby. Hopefully it'll be a good game. The fish doll and I will be in the stands.smile.gif (Going to Madrid for a short holiday. Weather permitting, I leave this afternoon. If you want a postcard, lemme know today).
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Nice!

Hopefully you're going to be supporting Atletico. smile.gif
KillerMax
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jan 17 2008, 09:45 AM)
This coming Sunday is the Madrid derby. Hopefully it'll be a good game. The fish doll and I will be in the stands.smile.gif (Going to Madrid for a short holiday. Weather permitting, I leave this afternoon. If you want a postcard, lemme know today).
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I want two! One for me and one for this crazy lady roaming the internet forums calling people meanihead. I mean I know she is probably not the weirdest person in the world if you got to know her, but still, I think a postcard would be a nice break from talking to a some doll all day... And also, she is totally in love with me... If you could find her a guy over there in Madrid, that would be GREAT. Thanks!
Tennie
Of course, Kurt! I like Simao and Aguerro and, well, Calderon schifo. smile.gif
bigmacmtl
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jan 17 2008, 10:56 AM)
Of course, Kurt! I like Simao and Aguerro and, well, Calderon schifo. smile.gif
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that kid is awesome, hopefully reyes scores smile.gif
Portman
16' Madrid derby. Atletico 0-1 Real

http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1706739

Raul scoring after 30 segunds. Good job by Robinho there.
Pepe injuried subbed. Ramos to the center, Salgado to the right. rolleyes.gif
kurtsimonw
Been a very good first half hour. Atletico should be level, Forlan forced a great save from Casillas and then they hit the crossbar.
Portman
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 20 2008, 06:34 PM)
Been a very good first half hour. Atletico should be level, Forlan forced a great save from Casillas and then they hit the crossbar.
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Casillas is probably the best in the world atm.

0-2, Ruud. And Real playing with 3 or 4 subs (Diarra, Pepe, Marcelo, Baptista not playing).
LaPalma
Ruud and Rául are really on fire. What a great box striker the dutch is ohmy.gif
But then...Casillas was even better....what amazing saves ohmy.gif
Fillipo Simone
Damn it Casillas is the No. 1 keeper in Europe. Every Real game I've watched he's been one of the best players.

I hope Atletico will come back, but in this moment, it's very unrealistic,.. cool.gif
dst
Barcelona won too. 1-0 with an Henry goal. This guy used to score great goals in the Arsenal shirts but with Barcelona all the goals he's scored are easier than Pippo's! rolleyes.gif

So Real maintain their 7 point lead. They won't lose this one, they clearly the better team! Well done there...

But it's sad how big the gap has become between the top teams in each league and the rest of them... look at Inter, Real, Barca, Chelsea, Arsenal, United... no one has a chance against them if they play more than 50% of what they can. 3 years ago you had to give 100% every week!
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 20 2008, 11:26 PM)
But it's sad how big the gap has become between the top teams in each league and the rest of them... look at Inter, Real, Barca, Chelsea, Arsenal, United... no one has a chance against them if they play more than 50% of what they can. 3 years ago you had to give 100% every week!
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Villa took 4 points off Chelsea this season. wink.gif

But generally, it's quite sad that there's such a big gap. And with the same teams making the top 4 all the time, they're making more money through CL qualification, attracting the better players and so on, just making them even better. Ah well. sad.gif
dst
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 21 2008, 01:29 AM)
Villa took 4 points off Chelsea this season.  wink.gif

But generally, it's quite sad that there's such a big gap. And with the same teams making the top 4 all the time, they're making more money through CL qualification, attracting the better players and so on, just making them even better. Ah well.  sad.gif
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Villa are that single sun ray in this dark tunnel we've entered! biggrin.gif

Yes, this is the saddest thing, it's only going to get worse...
Portman


Real Madrid is having a superb season. 50 points in 20 matches, having won in Barcelona, Valencia, Villarreal and Atletico pitches + 100% record at home.

1st place in CL too.

Schuster is a good surprise IMHO. Let's remember it's his first season in a top-club.

PS: http://realmadridamerica.com/index.php for R.Madrid American fans. Good webbie with some daily movies from RMTV, good info, etc.
Tennie
It was quite an experience sitting with the travelling support at the Derby. That's where our tickets ended up being. We were 5-6 rows below the Real ultras (separated by a railing and a squad of riot police). But we were sitting next to a family with a couple of little kids (I think they were 8 and 10 or something like that). In retrospect I'm glad I didn't get an Atletico scarf on the way into the stadium. smile.gif The riot police kept the Real ultras separated from everyone else but I didn't see any crowd trouble at all. It was quite peaceful and the Real fans were a little bemused to find an American and a Scot in their midst.

What impressed me almost as much as Casillas' amazing keeping was Raul's workrate. He just didn't stop, coming back to help with defense, etc etc etc. Very nicely done to Real. Guti and Torres (I think it was him?) DO need to stop rolling around like they've been shot every time they get kicked though. It's embarrassing.
kurtsimonw
You managed to get tickets for the Madrid derby, hosted by Atletico, in the Real end!? How on earth did you manage that!? ohmy.gif

Sounds like you enjoyed the game, glad you had a good time. Shame about the result though.
Tennie
I'm not quite sure how we got tickets there - we got them through the hotel and I think they know someone who's a season ticket holder at Real. It was a little surreal, though. I expected to be surrounded by a group of rowdy Atletico fans! Great seats though - at the end where both of Real's goals were scored and the players made a point of celebrating right in front of us after both goals and at the end of the game. It was a lot of fun, though! (even if I wish the result were different!)
Darunia
Very nice! How much did the tickets cost? You should post pictures tongue.gif
Tennie
Tickets were expensive! (125 each, face value was 75) but the view was quite good. I've got a couple of pictures that may be all right but I have yet to figure out how to upload my pictures from the Benfica-Milan game so...
Rossoneri7
Hey Tennie ... How was Madrid ? R u back, or still in Spain ?


Hope u had a great one smile.gif
dst
This was the best goal in La Liga last weekend. And the fastest ever for the Spanish league.

Click!

Valladolid vs Espanyol... it's great cause it was a move that had been worked on. It's obvious from the replay.
Portman
FT Bilbao 1-1 Barcelona

15' R.Madrid 1-1 Villarreal


If Madrid wins tonight they'll be 9 points ahead of Barça.

To start... what a goal by Robinho. Superb assist by Guti. Rossi scored for the yellows.
dst
Robinho's goal

See Carletto, if the whole team attacks tight defenses open up like heads do with a shotgun!
Portman
55' Robinho again. 2-1.
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ Jan 27 2008, 11:13 PM)
55' Robinho again. 2-1.
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Once again against no defense. More than half of his goals are like that, that's why I don't consider him to be such a great player.
Tennie
2-2 in the 75th. Goal Capdevilla.

Edit: 3-3 in the 76th. Goal Sneijder.
jefri91
nice goal !
jefri91
QUOTE (Tennie @ Jan 27 2008, 09:34 PM)
2-2 in the 75th. Goal Capdevilla.

Edit: 3-2 in the 76th. Goal Sneijder.
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jefri91
Does Robinho normally dive like that??
Bluesummers
yup biggrin.gif
dst
Madrid should be crowned from now...
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 27 2008, 10:28 PM)
Madrid should be crowned from now...
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R.Madrid is too strong. Even more than Inter and United/Arsenal at the moment. They seem unbeatable at home (10/10) and do not drop points easily.

9 points. And they still have to play Barcelona, Sevilla and Valencia at home. No team ever lost this comfortable gap in La Liga.

Their reaction to the 2-2 was superb. 1 min after... Sneijder with the winning-goal: http://www.d1g.com/video/show/?id=1730844
Great assist by Gago there too.

Barcelona is probably going to concentrate on the Copa del Rey and Champions League.
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ Jan 28 2008, 12:38 AM)
R.Madrid is too strong. Even more than Inter and United/Arsenal at the moment. They seem unbeatable at home (10/10) and do not drop points easily.
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Yes, that seems to be the case. But their CL adventure will be another story.
Zed.D
Hala Madrid! champions of Spain! smile.gif
Portman
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 27 2008, 10:56 PM)
Yes, that seems to be the case. But their CL adventure will be another story.
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It's a different competition although they can rest the players. Inter is just 5 points away from Roma and can't do that. Same for the EPL teams.
dst
QUOTE (Porty @ Jan 28 2008, 12:59 AM)
It's a different competition although they can rest the players. Inter is just 5 points away from Roma and can't do that. Same for the EPL teams.
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I'm not saying they won't win it or that they will. But it's totally different. We shall see...
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 28 2008, 01:04 AM)
Once again against no defense.
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That's La Liga, not Serie A. there's exactly one hectare space between each player and still they claim they have to best league in Europe! rolleyes.gif
Portman
QUOTE
Cruyff: Valdes As Good As Casillas

In his weekly column in El Periodico de Catalunya, Barcelona legend Johan Cruyff has claimed that current goalkeeping incumbent Victor Valdes is capable of matching Real Madrid's Iker Casillas...

Johan Cruyff had an explanation for why Iker Casillas is drawing more of the plaudits than Iker Casillas.

The former coach began, "Madrid are better than Barcelona on two fronts - a centre-forward that scores [Van Nistelrooy] and a superb goalkeeper.

"But is Casillas better than Valdes? First of all, one must ask if they both perform. They do... but Casillas is more spectacular.

"The sign of a goalkeeper, though, isn't what you see, but what they give you. In this case, they're the same. Casillas shines more, and if he's more spectacular, it's for a simple reason: he has to deal with shots more.

"It's not a question of being more handsome or better to watch - another subjective concept - but how well they do their job. And Casillas and Valdes both do their jobs very well, albeit in two teams with different objectives.

"One is tested more than you'd like, while the other excels in the few times that the ball reaches him. Madrid make defensive errors but weren't punished for them, at least until yesterday [3-2 defeat to Villarreal]."

Further, the Dutch master added that teams based around a single star are destined to fail, and that Barcelona must keep this in mind when identifying new signings

"First, look at what you have and what you need, and always be clear on the basis of how the team will play," he explained.

"Above all, don't confuse effective play with spectacular performances, as one brings efficiency - the other, fireworks. The latter draws attention, the first brings titles, or at least the chance of getting them.

"If you can link efficiency to quality, then, bingo.

"To me, a free role player isn't worth it. Selfish players are useless. Contrary to what many people think, a single player can only carry a team in the short term. In a long run, that team will crash.

"Football is a team game and only through collective performances can a squad win the ultimate prize. That's why I don't answer the question of which players should be signed, as you can't summarise it in one or two names."

Cruyff went on to cite "engine room" players of less glamour than the big names for their parts in squads' successes, such as Eusebio, or even Raul.

Above all, though, he praised Buffon at Juventus for loyalty and permanence, as he did with Paolo Maldini.

Closer to home, he discussed Lionel Messi, as well as Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo.

"Time will tell what happens to the top talent these days," he began.

"The two share many things, most of all youth and talent. And they're much better than when they made their debuts. Their 'fireworks' are now channeled into teamplay.

"Beyond their individual actions and entertaining moments, they're beginning to excel in where they will have the most effect: having a good eye for their teammates."

Steve Michaels, Goal.com


Let's all laugh at Cruyff. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Next week:

- Sylvinho is as good as Ramos. laugh.gif

Cunto. smile.gif
kurtsimonw
That's possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. How on earth has he come to that conclusion? laugh.gif
dst
I always thought Cruyff was stupid but this is ridiculous...
Jack Sparrow
Well he did give his explanation as to why he felt that way.

I don't really like Valdes though...and I think Cryuff is being biased.

However I don't feel yet that Casillas is better than Buffon. For instance, I think Buffon links up with his defenders far better than Casillas and has a better understanding with them.

But then again, this is Madrid, and when your back four keep getting bought and sold every 3 weeks...u can't blame Casillas. biggrin.gif
dst
No no no Buffon is the best! And he is a World Champion too... cool.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 29 2008, 10:44 AM)
No no no Buffon is the best! And he is a World Champion too...  cool.gif
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Right now, Casillas is even better. But..
Portman
Right now... Buffon is injuried. wink.gif

But I believe Casillas surpassed him in the last few months.
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