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MizNelson
What's starting to annoy me are all the Italian ragsheets and armchair quarterbacks proclaiming Milan will have some huge fire sale at the end of the season. It's as if we're expected to simply dump just about everyone and start over from scratch. You don't do that.

QUOTE (Filippo)
Ambro and Gattuso are our future captains. It would be mostly unwise to sell both and in addition part with Maldini. Who would then take over? Kaladze? Abbiati? Are they captain material?

Abbiati, no, because he has too much baggage: bouncing around to so many different teams, openly criticizing Milan on his website years ago and celebrating with Juve. Being captain also requires at least something resembling consistent play, which Kaladze has sorely lacked as of late. That being said, I don't think Ambro and Rino will be going anywhere next season.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 2 2009, 12:13 PM) *
I'll take chances and make my own IN and OUT story.

Ambro and Gattuso are our future captains. It would be mostly unwise to sell both and in addition part with Maldini. Who would then take over? Kaladze? Abbiati? Are they captain material?

Gattuso won't be sold anyway, after we rejected a good offer from Bayern, don't think he'll be on any wishlist soon.

OUT: Kaladze, Dida (if a good team wants him and he want's 1st team football), Senderos, Ronaldinho
IN: Panucci, Drogba, Giuseppe Rossi, Canini; big moves could be either Eto'o or Fabregas, maybe even Mancini (?)

In addition...I have one not so bright confession. Does Andrea Pirlo's story really started looking (on pitch) like Demetrio Albertini's?


Kaka i'm guessing is not a candidate on your list for captaincy?
Fillipo Simone
No, I project the captain candidates based on the same logic Milan does for decades - seniority.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 2 2009, 12:56 PM) *
No, I project the captain candidates based on the same logic Milan does for decades - seniority.


Oh i see. Do you think it will be the same even with a new a coach?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Mar 2 2009, 08:01 PM) *
Oh i see. Do you think it will be the same even with a new a coach?

Yes. It's not a thing most coaches in Italy decide. Of course, if the coach sells or removes from the team Kaladze, Ambro, Gattuso, Pirlo, Nesta, Pippo and Seedorf, Kaka will be handed the chance.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 2 2009, 01:15 PM) *
Yes. It's not a thing most coaches in Italy decide. Of course, if the coach sells or removes from the team Kaladze, Ambro, Gattuso, Pirlo, Nesta, Pippo and Seedorf, Kaka will be handed the chance.


I see. Well time will only tell if it plays out like that.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Mar 2 2009, 09:50 AM) *
Unbearable to watch laugh.gif When you're in Germany one day call me and I take you too a game of Preußen Münster. If yesterdays game was unbearable for you I'm sure you'll commit suicide after that one laugh.gif


Sure but there is a reason why i support milan and not preuben munster. I'm not italian nor am I milanese so I have no reason to support them becasue of my heritage. I support Milan because they are one of the best clubs in the world who boast such a history any person can be proud of.


This milan is unbearable to watch. We have switched roles with inter it seems.
Zed.D
@ bluesummers

Kaka's turn will come - of course if they don't try to sell him like they did in the January transfer window. he's not even 27 yet... give it a few years.

There are a few players ahead of him in the line for captaincy which IMO are Rino, Ambro, Pirlo - Nesta, Pippo and Seedorf I can't see still playing in two/three years' time.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 2 2009, 10:04 PM) *
@ bluesummers

Kaka's turn will come - of course if they don't try to sell him like they did in the January transfer window. he's not even 27 yet... give it a few years.

There are a few players ahead of him in the line for captaincy which IMO are Rino, Ambro, Pirlo - Nesta, Pippo and Seedorf I can't see still playing in two/three years' time.

Agree on the second part, but when will you guys stop that "we tired to sell poor Kaka" paroles?
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 3 2009, 12:46 AM) *
Agree on the second part, but when will you guys stop that "we tired to sell poor Kaka" paroles?


I didn't say poor Kaka. I'm not exactly sympathizing with him by saying we tried to sell him. that's simply what I think we intended to do. I think we put him under pressure to do sign for City. but that's in the past anyway, let's forget about it.
dst
I too think we were going to sell him had he said accepted the offer but he said no and I don't think we put him pressure on him to change his mind.

However Milan and Kaka are going to accept a similar offer from Madrid, if it comes, in the summer.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (dst @ Mar 2 2009, 03:27 PM) *
I too think we were going to sell him had he said accepted the offer but he said no and I don't think we put him pressure on him to change his mind.

However Milan and Kaka are going to accept a similar offer from Madrid, if it comes, in the summer.


sadly i have the same feeling. Right now milan just doesn't look attractive at all. We look like a second rate club. Signing players in the summer will be hard if we dont make champions league sigh...
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ Mar 3 2009, 01:57 AM) *
I too think we were going to sell him had he said accepted the offer but he said no and I don't think we put him pressure on him to change his mind.


Remember Milan always said no to any offers for Kaka. they they all of a sudden accepted City's bid. that was in a way putting him under pressure IMO. it is like saying, we are ready to sell you, even if you were 'untouchable' just a year ago.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 2 2009, 03:38 PM) *
Remember Milan always said no to any offers for Kaka. they they all of a sudden accepted City's bid. that was in a way putting him under pressure IMO. it is like saying, we are ready to sell you, even if you were 'untouchable' just a year ago.


I mean but why. He has given us everything he's got. If rino, ambro, pirlo get to stay while performing like trash, then why is kaka any different?

Is it because no one is willing to pay 100mil for them?
dst
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 2 2009, 11:38 PM) *
Remember Milan always said no to any offers for Kaka. they they all of a sudden accepted City's bid. that was in a way putting him under pressure IMO. it is like saying, we are ready to sell you, even if you were 'untouchable' just a year ago.

I don't think it put him under pressure. We'll just not agree for once. tongue.gif

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Mar 2 2009, 11:32 PM) *
sadly i have the same feeling. Right now milan just doesn't look attractive at all. We look like a second rate club. Signing players in the summer will be hard if we dont make champions league sigh...

I don't agree. Surely someone who plays for another great club would not jump at the chance of joining Milan but I don't think we look second rate.
Locke Lamora
QUOTE (dst @ Mar 2 2009, 10:45 PM) *
I don't agree. Surely someone who plays for another great club would not jump at the chance of joining Milan but I don't think we look second rate.


The view from outside, at least my view, is that okay: Milan is a club of ups and downs, and recently the downs have outnumbered the ups, but if you stay at Milan long enough then you're 90% guaranteed a Champions League medal.
And every bad two-year period is followed by a good period; after those horrendous seasons back in 97' and 98' Milan bounced back and took the 99' Serie A title.
After a miserable 2000 and 2001 Milan came back and won both the Coppa Italian and the Champions League.
After struggling mightily in the league and expected to get trounced in the 2007 CL semi's Milan went all the way. And now I've left out the Super Cups and World Club Cups.

This club is a guarantee for big trophies, maybe not every year but there really aren't that long in between.
Bluesummers
QUOTE
Braida-Damiani meeting to discuss Panucci


it seems were talking with panucci's agent about a transfer next year. rolleyes.gif
Tennie
meh, tuttomercatoweb (or its milannews subsidiary) reports a lot of gossip. Some of it's reliable and some of it isn't.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Mar 2 2009, 04:08 PM) *
meh, tuttomercatoweb (or its milannews subsidiary) reports a lot of gossip. Some of it's reliable and some of it isn't.


so you think its false?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Locke Lamora @ Mar 2 2009, 11:03 PM) *
The view from outside, at least my view, is that okay: Milan is a club of ups and downs, and recently the downs have outnumbered the ups, but if you stay at Milan long enough then you're 90% guaranteed a Champions League medal.
And every bad two-year period is followed by a good period; after those horrendous seasons back in 97' and 98' Milan bounced back and took the 99' Serie A title.
After a miserable 2000 and 2001 Milan came back and won both the Coppa Italian and the Champions League.
After struggling mightily in the league and expected to get trounced in the 2007 CL semi's Milan went all the way. And now I've left out the Super Cups and World Club Cups.

This club is a guarantee for big trophies, maybe not every year but there really aren't that long in between.

Exactly. smile.gif
il_diavolo_mtl
Who do you guys think our BIG signing should be?
Diego?
Benzema?
Adebayor?
Drogba?
Robinho?
Bluesummers
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 2 2009, 10:12 PM) *
Who do you guys think our BIG signing should be?
Diego?
Benzema?
Adebayor?
Drogba?
Robinho?


I think you should be asking, are we going to have a big signing tongue.gif
il_diavolo_mtl
well i guess what i din't write is that a lot of dead money will be cut.
leaving us maybe enough to sign a star or revamp the depth..
Bluesummers
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 2 2009, 11:23 PM) *
well i guess what i din't write is that a lot of dead money will be cut.
leaving us maybe enough to sign a star or revamp the depth..


So you mean we will offload a bunch of players? Or berlu will decide to invest?
il_diavolo_mtl
i hope we offload dead weight a la Emerson, kaladze, sheva + maldini is retiring so that's some decent money right there. Plus either portsmout or totteenham have expressed interest in Dida(goal.com). So i guess we will offloads players though i have no power,control, understanding of the administrative duties, as does the rest of us.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 3 2009, 12:02 AM) *
i hope we offload dead weight a la Emerson, kaladze, sheva + maldini is retiring so that's some decent money right there. Plus either portsmout or totteenham have expressed interest in Dida(goal.com). So i guess we will offloads players though i have no power,control, understanding of the administrative duties, as does the rest of us.


emerson will probably be sold, but max we can get is 5 million.

Kaladze will get us 10 milion max.

gourcuff will get us 15 million.

sheva doesn't belong to us.

Senderos doesn't belong to us.

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so if those transfers goes thru we will have a sh*t load of free wage bill.

We will have 30 million euroes. Will we try to balance the books with that money? who knows.
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Mar 3 2009, 01:10 AM) *
emerson will probably be sold, but max we can get is 5 million.

Kaladze will get us 10 milion max.

*gourcuff will get us 15 million.

**sheva doesn't belong to us.

***Senderos doesn't belong to us.

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so if those transfers goes thru we will have a sh*t load of free wage bill.

We will have 30 million euroes. Will we try to balance the books with that money? who knows.

* WE MUStN'T SELL HIM!!!!!!!!
** i had no idea he still was chelsea's
***i knew that and im sure arsenal would ROFL if we signed Senderos for 10+, who i actually feel can develop here if the price is right. I feel his size, anchor is pretty good and with some training, improvements he can be a solid backup. HOWEVER i feel most of his time starting is unwarranted.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 3 2009, 12:23 AM) *
* WE MUStN'T SELL HIM!!!!!!!!
** i had no idea he still was chelsea's
***i knew that and im sure arsenal would ROFL if we signed Senderos for 10+, who i actually feel can develop here if the price is right. I feel his size, anchor is pretty good and with some training, improvements he can be a solid backup. HOWEVER i feel most of his time starting is unwarranted.


agree with you man, but i'll give you the exact figures of how things are:


Gourcuff is on a loan deal until june, with a buy out clause of 15 million, which bordeaux might do. So blame the idiot galliani who included a price in this loan. So unless gourcuff really wants to come back to milan and get benched by carlo, bordoaux will probably buy him.

Shevchenko belongs to chelsea and is on loan here until june. His buyout clause is 11 million. Activating this would be handicapped on our part. I would lose all respect for silvio if he buys him.

Senderos has a buyout of 8 million. But given our situation financially, we would probably end up not purchasing him.
Bluesummers
QUOTE
Francesco Toldo has renewed with Inter until 2011. The Inter goalkeeper has signed this afternoon at the Palazzo Durini, a two-year agreement with the Nerazzurri club until 30 June 2011. "It gives me great pride to know that 37 years is a record for a goalkeeper in the history of Inter a two-year renewal," said the No. 1 Nerazzurri.


Why? I have no idea.
Zed.D
QUOTE (dst @ Mar 3 2009, 02:15 AM) *
I don't think it put him under pressure. We'll just not agree for once. tongue.gif


cry.gif
MizNelson
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Mar 2 2009, 10:02 PM) *
Plus either portsmout or totteenham have expressed interest in Dida (goal.com).

Actually, it was Newcastle, but the rumor was flimsy enough that many other news sites (incl. Channel 4) didn't bother picking up on it, and it faded away quickly.

It won't kill the club to keep him around for the last year of his contract, after which he'll likely call it a day. He's done a damn good job in the limited time he has had this season.
Bluesummers
There are rumors again that we are after vidic. Apparently we are going to bid 20 million euros to united for him.


I call bogus on this because first of all united selling vidic would be stupid and certainly not for 15 million pounds. That wouldn't even buy ledley king.
Fillipo Simone
United is known of their policy that everyone's for sale at the right moment and price. But I'm against it. Like Ivanovic, it only would mean another fail.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 3 2009, 09:00 AM) *
United is known of their policy that everyone's for sale at the right moment and price. But I'm against it. Like Ivanovic, it only would mean another fail.

Personally i see no point even starting negotiations with them. 15 million pounds is a joke. United will most certainly say no. Unless we go in with 30 million pounds at the very least, we should forget about signing vidic.
dst
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 3 2009, 05:00 PM) *
United is known of their policy that everyone's for sale at the right moment and price. But I'm against it. Like Ivanovic, it only would mean another fail.

I don't get it, why are you against it?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (dst @ Mar 3 2009, 08:53 PM) *
I don't get it, why are you against it?

Because I simply belive that defending in Italy is different then the one Vidic already accomodated; and it is my opinion that Vidic isn't as good as a player to be able to jump one level higher (or, re-phrased to sound less offensive - to change habits).
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 3 2009, 02:38 PM) *
Because I simply belive that defending in Italy is different then the one Vidic already accomodated; and it is my opinion that Vidic isn't as good as a player to be able to jump one level higher (or, re-phrased to sound less offensive - to change habits).


Thats not being fair especially when hes a champions league winner. But i can understand what your saying. Personally vidic is better than anything we got right now so i'd welcome him if the club goes for him.
dst
I too do not think he's worth the money. I'd rather "bet" on a younger Serie A defender. But if these rumors are true... I guess Nesta won't be coming back... cry.gif
il_diavolo_mtl
QUOTE
Cote d’Ivoire Coach Vahid Halilhodzic Blasts Milan's Carlo Ancelotti
The current Ivory Coast boss has hit back at comments made by Milan coach Ancelotti concerning his interest in the African giants.

Confirming declarations he was reported to have made several weeks previously, when it was rumoured that Ivorian megastar Didier Drogba could be joining the Rossoneri, the Italian technician gave an interview to La Repubblica in which he voiced his enthusiasm to lead them into the World Cup.

"I will be free for them for the World Cup,” stated the coach. “They have great talent - we can surprise people. Nobody believes me, but it would be a great honour for me."

Adding that he would coach them for free, Ancelotti started creating a buzz and even got the international press speculating that a deal was already in the works for his dream to come true.

Contacted by French publication L’Equipe, current Cote d’Ivoire coach Vahid Halilhodzic, a man that has not been known for his diplomacy or his ability to hold back for anyone, came out with guns blazing and attacked his colleague.

“What is wrong with Ancelotti?” he lambasted. “Did he smoke too much or what? Or maybe he drank too much? There’s a rule among us [coaches] never to position oneself for a job when a coach is in place. This is total rubbish!”

The ex-Paris Saint-Germain coach otherwise didn’t seem too bothered by the idea of having his spot stolen by his more glamorous counterpart as Ancelotti has stated that he wouldn’t be interested in handling any national team on a daily basis.

Massaer Ndiaye, Goal.com

funny stuff
Jack Sparrow
biggrin.gif Yeah..I read this one. Really funny!
MizNelson
Even more laughable was the article referring to Drogba as a "megastar."
gal_kenny
Guys i think we should make a riot or stance for Gourcuff to come back..Seriously cuz Carlo is a very wicked person..Even if Gourcuff didn't do well..he doesn't have to criticize him saying he had mental problems and wat not...I mean we do need his service but Ancelotti seem to make it worse!!!
Tennie
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Mar 6 2009, 09:47 AM) *
Guys i think we should make a riot or stance for Gourcuff to come back..Seriously cuz Carlo is a very wicked person..Even if Gourcuff didn't do well..he doesn't have to criticize him saying he had mental problems and wat not...I mean we do need his service but Ancelotti seem to make it worse!!!



How precisely do you know this?
dst
Sell Gourcuff and Emerson, buy Diego to take Seedorf's place in the starting line-up. Too simple. tongue.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Mar 6 2009, 03:47 PM) *
Guys i think we should make a riot or stance for Gourcuff to come back..Seriously cuz Carlo is a very wicked person..Even if Gourcuff didn't do well..he doesn't have to criticize him saying he had mental problems and wat not...I mean we do need his service but Ancelotti seem to make it worse!!!

You can't be serious,...it's a joke, right?
We need his service? Oh yeah, we really do.. dry.gif unsure.gif

QUOTE
Sell Gourcuff and Emerson, buy Diego to take Seedorf's place in the starting line-up. Too simple.

Deco will be free to go this season. I think one of the tow Blues (Drogba&Deco) will end up in Milan, the other in Inter. Diego...I've kind of learned to dislike him at Bremen. He's very good, but there's something arrogant in him which defers from the typicall Milanista line Boban-Leonardo-Rui Costa-Kaka...
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Mar 6 2009, 10:38 PM) *
Deco will be free to go this season. I think one of the tow Blues (Drogba&Deco) will end up in Milan, the other in Inter. Diego...I've kind of learned to dislike him at Bremen. He's very good, but there's something arrogant in him which defers from the typicall Milanista line Boban-Leonardo-Rui Costa-Kaka...


I honestly think Drogba is twice as arrogant as Diego. Deco is not very humble either.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Mar 6 2009, 07:39 PM) *
I honestly think Drogba is twice as arrogant as Diego. Deco is not very humble either.

No, no... don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly a Deco-Drogba fan either, but somehow it smells to me like that we're gonna deal with Chelsea.

From the three - I'd take Drogba. He's the best classic forward aviable for us IMO.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Mar 6 2009, 08:47 AM) *
Guys i think we should make a riot or stance for Gourcuff to come back..Seriously cuz Carlo is a very wicked person..Even if Gourcuff didn't do well..he doesn't have to criticize him saying he had mental problems and wat not...I mean we do need his service but Ancelotti seem to make it worse!!!


I wish man, I wish!!! Unless carlo gets sacked at the end of the season, there is no way in hell that gourcuff will come back to milan. You can quote me on that if you guys wish.
Bluesummers
dp sorry.
amancik
Guys aren't you tired of not finishing at least 2nd for the past 4 seasons? It's clear that we need to bring new and fresh talents. We can't hope to rely on Seedorf, Kaka', Ronaldinho & Pato to get the results for us. This is a team game. So the whole team must be competitive enough to challenge for Scudetto. My point is Gourcuff is owned by Milan. We don't need to pay anything to get him back. and he has got real talent. I mean what have we got to lose right?, cuz we ain't gonna buy anyone.

This is my summer ins and outs.

IN

Yoaan Gourcuff (return)
Alberto Paloschi (return)
Thiago Silva (confirmed)

OUT

Paolo Maldini
Philippe Senderos
Andriy Shevchenko
Clarence Seedorf
Tabare Viudez
Giuseppe Favalli
Emerson

I think this is all we need to do. So our next season main squad will be like this.

GK
Abbiati
Dida
Kalac

D
Antonini
Bonera
Darmian
Mattioni
Jankulovski
Kaladze
Nesta
T. Silva
Zambrotta

M
Ambrosini
Beckham
Cardacio
Flamini
Gattuso
Pirlo
Gourcuff

F
Borriello
Inzaghi
Paloschi
Kaka'
Ronaldinho
Pato
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