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kurtsimonw
I think it's important clubs to have 2 players in every position that are of a good level of quality, so that's what we should aim for.
gal_kenny
We need gourcuff...He's like an iniesta, xavi type player...he can help both in midfield and attack...like Iniesta does..And so does Abate..he's fast, talented, and skill...we need these players...can't wait!!! I think that this summer transfer would be interesting for milan to see who goes, who stays, and who comes in!!!
whoarethepatriots
How many of our ex/Primavera players are out on loan or co ownership?

Abate
Paloschi

are the most prominent, but what about any other gems
Fillipo Simone
Di Gennaro, Offredi,...many of them..
Tennie
Take a look at the primavera thread, whoarethepatriots. There are occasional player ratings for the guys out on loan. I have to dig and the info isn't complete but I post it when I can.
Habitant
one of our top priorities besides the defense is a world class striker to play with pato. boriello's a good player but from we've seen he's made of glass, we really can't to rely on him.

i dont think any of our other strikers have any goals in the league sleep.gif ... i mean how can you seriously challenge for the scudetto like that?!?!

ya pippo has been injured for most of the season, same with marco but still that is a pathetic stat....

i've always liked giuseppe rossi, and i know a target man would be ideal but i would love to see him with us.
whoarethepatriots
Rossi is too similar to Pato, they wouldnt compliment each other like Borriello does. I like him too but it isnt an ideal move. We would be better off bringing Paloschi back, but i would prefer it if he matures a bit more at Parma
Tennie
Actually, Pippo has 2 league goals (the winner against Siena and one of the 3 we put past Samp). He's got another 2 in Europe.
Habitant
k i think I missed the siena game ^^
Habitant
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Feb 9 2009, 04:15 AM) *
Rossi is too similar to Pato, they wouldnt compliment each other like Borriello does. I like him too but it isnt an ideal move. We would be better off bringing Paloschi back, but i would prefer it if he matures a bit more at Parma

still you need a certain amount of height to fill that role, 5'-9"? he just doesnt seem dangerous in the air to really compliment pato.
RinoIlCapitano
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Feb 9 2009, 04:15 AM) *
Rossi is too similar to Pato, they wouldnt compliment each other like Borriello does. I like him too but it isnt an ideal move. We would be better off bringing Paloschi back, but i would prefer it if he matures a bit more at Parma

Adebayor i think would be the best pick!!!!

With him, we need to confirm Yoann , buy some good defenders (2 of them, maybe 3)and this is it, we are good covered in any other position i think!

Offcors we must sell half of our defenders because they are not good enough to play in a team like milan.......

Janku, Favster, ......
Fillipo Simone
Rossi is aerially stronger then Pato...
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 9 2009, 08:39 PM) *
Rossi is aerially stronger then Pato...


And Pato is stronger on the ground tongue.gif
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Feb 9 2009, 08:06 PM) *
And Pato is stronger on the ground tongue.gif

Exactly, that's why I think Pato-Rossi would work excellent..
Habitant
you look at the players we have that support the attack, kaka, seedorf, ronaldinho, even pirlo. they rarely even cross the ball from a WIDE position. i mean the vast majority of the time they try and supply the strikers with balls to their feet. pato is good in the air and has scored 4-5 headers this year, i think a rossi-pato partnership could could work.

if it was up to me our three main striker would be pato, rossi, gomez and rotate among them, get the best combo.
whoarethepatriots
QUOTE (Habitant @ Feb 9 2009, 07:32 PM) *
you look at the players we have that support the attack, kaka, seedorf, ronaldinho, even pirlo. they rarely even cross the ball from a WIDE position. i mean the vast majority of the time they try and supply the strikers with balls to their feet. pato is good in the air and has scored 4-5 headers this year, i think a rossi-pato partnership could could work.

if it was up to me our three main striker would be pato, rossi, gomez and rotate among them, get the best combo.


Thats because our players are all central players, and our main target man is injured. Borriello would be smacking them in from Becks deliveries if he was fit. Our full backs do provide width but it comes at the cost of being susceptible to a counter attack and general defensive weakness
kurtsimonw
I'd like Milan to 'modernise the system they play in. It seems to be the day of the winger at the moment, you look at the succesful teams around and they tend to play with very attacking wide players, we should give it a chance!
Rossoneri7
I think Milan have started to stretch wide more, yet you are right most of Milan's threat is mostly channeled through the middle and not by the side. I suspect that with Beckham, the team has that extra width that is needed to stretch the playing field a bit.

Or are you talking about changing the system and bringing in wingers ?

When did you hear Carlo was leaving ? huh.gif biggrin.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Feb 10 2009, 01:37 AM) *
I think Milan have started to stretch wide more, yet you are right most of Milan's threat is mostly channeled through the middle and not by the side. I suspect that with Beckham, the team has that extra width that is needed to stretch the playing field a bit.

Or are you talking about changing the system and bringing in wingers ?

When did you hear Carlo was leaving ? huh.gif biggrin.gif


Maybe it's time for Carlo to abandon his old-fashioned Christmas Tree and use wingers? wink.gif I know however that he's too stubborn to do that...
kurtsimonw
Surely it can't be THAT difficult to have something like this!


Abbiati

Zambrotta - Nesta - Maldini - Jankulovski

Pirlo - Ambrosini

Winger - Kaka' - Winger

Pato


Rossoneri7
Yup, but do you know of any defensive wingers ?
vnata001
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Feb 9 2009, 01:33 PM) *
Surely it can't be THAT difficult to have something like this!


Abbiati

Zambrotta - Nesta - Maldini - Jankulovski

Pirlo - Ambrosini

Winger - Kaka' - Winger

Pato


switch pato to one of the wings. play dinho on the other wing. And Borriello/Adebayor/Drogba/Amauri/Zlatan - target man striker up front.
Habitant
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Feb 9 2009, 08:31 PM) *
Thats because our players are all central players, and our main target man is injured. Borriello would be smacking them in from Becks deliveries if he was fit. Our full backs do provide width but it comes at the cost of being susceptible to a counter attack and general defensive weakness

i dunno but it's been abuot 2 years our fullbacks havent been providing the proper width that our system requires.

oddo was decent but he couldnt cross for his life.

zambro has no more pace, same with janku.

ya beckham is doing that for us right now but who knows if he's going to be here next season?
Fillipo Simone
The Milan-wants-Kjaer rumor simply does not go away. I bet he'll be one of our targets this summer.
CrazyMilanFan
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 16 2009, 10:29 PM) *
The Milan-wants-Kjaer rumor simply does not go away. I bet he'll be one of our targets this summer.

yea that appeared everywhere again
Fillipo Simone
I guess it must be true then...and what are the chances Palermo can hold on him?
Tennie
So...what do you guys think of him?
Zed.D
Would Zampa even consider selling him to us? (he's 19 for god's sake. can't we either develop our own youth products or go buy an established defender?!)
Tennie
Good question, zeddie. I personally think that Darmian should be given a solid chance. He's shown a good bit of technique and skill and heck. He's bloody captain of the Italy U20s. Surely that indicates he's halfway decent.
gal_kenny
I know right...he needs to play but we haven't gottn much confidence in him yet that's why...Neways we should bring back Abate and not sign Beckham...
Jack Sparrow
I really think Darmian will make it into the team. There's a lot to be said for a kid who refuses to go out on loan, and would rather play in the team as is. It could even be the reason, why we're not that obsessing about buying a new CB.

Thiago and Darmian for the future? Nesta becomes our new Maldini of the defence with guest appearances.
Fillipo Simone
Not sure about Darmain. Both Ancelotti and especially Mauro know their job when it comes to defenders. And yet, Darmain played 2 or 3 matches, for a couple of minutes. And I honestly don't think it's all Carletto's character and stupidity that made that look bad. Tassotti would have said something also.

When played, he's mostly RB. Again, not exactly directing him for the CB.

QUOTE
Would Zampa even consider selling him to us? (he's 19 for god's sake. can't we either develop our own youth products or go buy an established defender?!)

Who do you have in mind?

(edit: Funny, followin that qoute, one would think Milan fans are never satisfied when it comes to transfers - when you buy experience, you buy and old hag that's worthless, when you buy youth...)
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 17 2009, 02:01 PM) *
(edit: Funny, followin that qoute, one would think Milan fans are never satisfied when it comes to transfers - when you buy experience, you buy and old hag that's worthless, when you buy youth...)

There is always the middle part. rolleyes.gif The age 26-28 defenders. Established, and nothing but!
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (acid911 @ Feb 17 2009, 10:17 AM) *
There is always the middle part. rolleyes.gif The age 26-28 defenders. Established, and nothing but!

And? I want names from those established defenders!
Jack Sparrow
No that would be Madrid. You have to make Huntelaar like transfers. biggrin.gif Young and 'established'. Now they'll want Benzema, Messi, Fabregas, Ronaldo, Kaka etc.

I don't think we're stupid enough to not understand the value of squad players. Despite all the criticism, I don't think anyone here really thinks Favalli is useless. It's just that he's been playing (forced to play) as first choice often,that's bothering people. Not me of course. I hope he renews. king.gif

One problem with our squad, is there is not gradual gradation of talent(esp in defence). I mean, there is a HUGE gap in skill between first and second choice, and then for second and third.

Case in point... Nesta-Maldini then Bonera-Kaladze....then Favalli-Senderos? huh.gif

Sticking with the transfers, I think we need at an urgent level for a LB,CB and a target man striker(middling-above average will do). I'm mainly looking at EU players, since non-EU is always an unknown.

So LB: unsure.gif Grosso? (ex-Inter...might work). Sounds ruthless, but exchange Oddo with Lyon for the deal. Or we could give Oddo + cash for Lahm. Or Yoann for Lahm. I dunno. Lahm is difficult, but he's a good wingback.

CB: even more unsure.gif Really I don't know. I can drop names, but the possibilty is remote. Silva is nice. But we need another 6 ft plus dude. I'd like to get one of the Napoli boys. But at this stage, someone who's not got a lot to learn would be nice.

Striker: Borriello is a sole player for a position that's rapidly turning out to be very important for our current setup. So here I would think we'll need one more target man. Not too great, but someone good enough to deal with the smaller sides. I would think Jan Venegoor or Nikola Zigic. 10 million is about par for the course?

Mid-field: On paper, here's where we're staffed well and in depth, but besides the tweaking for the 4 number 10s we still didn't address the junction player. Zee doesn't like being water carrier, and you can only make a player take one for the team for so long. Does anyone know of any Essien types lying around? I would love to have Ballack here in case we don't take Beckham. Since Ballack also provides that aerial threat and is an intelligent box-to-box footballer. I'd gladly take Yoann, but he seems to be playing in the same position as Ronnie-Kaka. It's just more of the same.

Abate (and this one's just for Tennie), could be the crucial right sided wing forward we need. But he might not play a lot.

Something like
--------Rino--------
---Becks--Pirlo-----
Abate-----------Kaka/R80---
------Pato/Borriello-----

So we'd need to spend money for 3 purchases in my book: One LB, One CB and One striker. Oddo would work in providing for one of the transfers. So all in all, I would imagine a total spending of around 20-30 million. (Assuming a top CB).

Outgoing: Paolo, Favalli, Emo, Kalac. So that's about 6-8 million a year saved in wages.
Tennie
Mediaset is saying that Milan are really interested in Mexes...but Roma are asking 20 million.
Rossoneri7
Good points Jack .. IMO, its crucial for the team to have a solid back-line. Especially after Maldini. Nesta's situation after the surgery will be a gray area, his problem is that he pushes too hard as a professional that he brings all sorts of complications to his physical ability as a human being. That said, if he comes back from the operation and his tests show an improvement, then the club will most likely stick with him as a first team player and one CB position already covered.

Another point is Borriello, he has not really been given a chance yet. The positive he is a Milan youth product - which fills the UEFA quota on the minimum required homegrown players. And though he has missed almost a whole season (9 months) of no activity as a player, Eduardo scored a brace in his first game after the operation, hence anything is possible biggrin.gif I hope he comes clean in the end 96.gif

On the midfield, the way I see it, Milan doesn't have room for Gourcuff. The only way he would get in the mix, is if he produces a string of performances that would drive one of the current midfielders to the bench. And considering Beckham's form, Gourcuff's job has just gotten harder.

QUOTE (Tennie @ Feb 17 2009, 02:56 PM) *
Mediaset is saying that Milan are really interested in Mexes...but Roma are asking 20 million.


I think Milan will go for Mexes if Roma ever consider selling the player. And I think, considering the rapport between the two clubs Milan has the upper hand. But yes, he wont come cheap.
CrazyMilanFan
vidic and mexes linked i think these top quality CB/CBs are needed i would be happy with anyone of them with silva,bonera, darmain, nesta (hopefully ) we will have a strong defence
Jack Sparrow
Oh yes...Mexes would be very good. Especially to play him alongside Silva or Bonera who are no slouches. But I think Mexes could use Favalli's experience. biggrin.gif
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Feb 17 2009, 03:58 PM) *
Oh yes...Mexes would be very good. Especially to play him alongside Silva or Bonera who are no slouches. But I think Mexes could use Favalli's experience. biggrin.gif


Very much tongue.gif
dst
If Darmian ever becomes a RB I'm going to reveal my sex to you. It's not going to happen.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Feb 17 2009, 11:01 AM) *
when you buy experience, you buy and old hag that's worthless, when you buy youth...)

The first part should be reversed... we have bought some old hags that we labeled experienced...

And you do know there's 10 years between 20- and 30+... we are crying too much in here but I don't think all of it is unfounded.

Kolo Touré.
Jack Sparrow
Aaargh...look you cannot get the fact that you're prejudiced against white people get in the way ok??
gal_kenny
Ait i've made up my mind...It was difficult but itts done...If Milan doesn't win anything this season and we still continue with the same players we have next season without bringing in our youngsters out there and defenders, i won't support milan again...I've been teased and humiliated a million times by my friends and people in general about this team...If we don't bring the necessary things needed 4 this team to succeed next year..i'm out...Milan has always been in my heart..cuz i think of them everyday n night, even in my sleep...First we need to win the game against Bremen...If we don't do what i've just posted then i'm out and i'm dead serious...I'm tired of milan pursuing old players!! Milan is just plain WICKED!!! buying beckham? common..he'll be only useful for 2 years and then wat? i've supported milan all my life but this can't go on anymore
il_diavolo_mtl
this is my second post on these boards and i honestly think the transfer window should happen give or take as the following

Outgoing: Paolo, favalli, emerson, sheva, kaladze( if favalli stays), Kalac, and Seedorf (in an interested buyer makes the deal interesting)

I hope that the FO looks long and hard at a potential Dinho to Man city transfer. Any person watching the Brazil-italy friendly not only noticed how useless toni was, but also could not help at notice that Dinho and Robinho had great chemistry, and dinho had great faith in Robinho. It is noted that they were looking for a playmaking midfielder that would compliment their present star Binho. Even though milan/man city terms are a little uneasy, i think this sale can make a great deal of sense. I could be very wrong but i would expect something like a 24Mil "modest" sum for dinhos services which could help orchestrate the next part of my 09 summer transfer window.

offer 12-13M for Agger which may look like alot for someone struggling to find his way on the top XI but he seems to be quite able to lead an attack from far back

Then if by god's grace we end up getting gourcoff back i would send him to arsenal with a very small amount of cash for Adebayor, if gourcoff stays will bordeau i would tap into the dinho funds to draw Adebayor At any cost. He provides a STRONG pressence in the air and is a very good finisher.

alternatives to Agger would be Kjaer, santacrocce
alternatives to Ade would be Drogba and or and this may sound crazy but....Balotelli he is upset over the fact he is behind Zlatty and Adri-Hand-o, but in milan he would be #1 choice next to pato.

please give me your thoughts..smile.gif

il_diavolo_mtl
this is my second post on these boards and i honestly think the transfer window should happen give or take as the following

Outgoing: Paolo, favalli, emerson, sheva, kaladze( if favalli stays), Kalac, and Seedorf (in an interested buyer makes the deal interesting)

I hope that the FO looks long and hard at a potential Dinho to Man city transfer. Any person watching the Brazil-italy friendly not only noticed how useless toni was, but also could not help at notice that Dinho and Robinho had great chemistry, and dinho had great faith in Robinho. It is noted that they were looking for a playmaking midfielder that would compliment their present star Binho. Even though milan/man city terms are a little uneasy, i think this sale can make a great deal of sense. I could be very wrong but i would expect something like a 24Mil "modest" sum for dinhos services which could help orchestrate the next part of my 09 summer transfer window.

offer 12-13M for Agger which may look like alot for someone struggling to find his way on the top XI but he seems to be quite able to lead an attack from far back

Then if by god's grace we end up getting gourcoff back i would send him to arsenal with a very small amount of cash for Adebayor, if gourcoff stays will bordeau i would tap into the dinho funds to draw Adebayor At any cost. He provides a STRONG pressence in the air and is a very good finisher.

alternatives to Agger would be Kjaer, santacrocce
alternatives to Ade would be Drogba and or and this may sound crazy but....Balotelli he is upset over the fact he is behind Zlatty and Adri-Hand-o, but in milan he would be #1 choice next to pato.

please give me your thoughts..smile.gif

gal_kenny
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Feb 17 2009, 04:07 PM) *
this is my second post on these boards and i honestly think the transfer window should happen give or take as the following

Outgoing: Paolo, favalli, emerson, sheva, kaladze( if favalli stays), Kalac, and Seedorf (in an interested buyer makes the deal interesting)

I hope that the FO looks long and hard at a potential Dinho to Man city transfer. Any person watching the Brazil-italy friendly not only noticed how useless toni was, but also could not help at notice that Dinho and Robinho had great chemistry, and dinho had great faith in Robinho. It is noted that they were looking for a playmaking midfielder that would compliment their present star Binho. Even though milan/man city terms are a little uneasy, i think this sale can make a great deal of sense. I could be very wrong but i would expect something like a 24Mil "modest" sum for dinhos services which could help orchestrate the next part of my 09 summer transfer window.

offer 12-13M for Agger which may look like alot for someone struggling to find his way on the top XI but he seems to be quite able to lead an attack from far back

Then if by god's grace we end up getting gourcoff back i would send him to arsenal with a very small amount of cash for Adebayor, if gourcoff stays will bordeau i would tap into the dinho funds to draw Adebayor At any cost. He provides a STRONG pressence in the air and is a very good finisher.

alternatives to Agger would be Kjaer, santacrocce
alternatives to Ade would be Drogba and or and this may sound crazy but....Balotelli he is upset over the fact he is behind Zlatty and Adri-Hand-o, but in milan he would be #1 choice next to pato.

please give me your thoughts..smile.gif


good points but we shouldn't sell Dinho and shouldn't get drogba...Drogba is already getting old..we need yongster mixed with experienced players not old players
il_diavolo_mtl
i do believe that dinho should be sold before his stint at milan sees his value freefall :s
gal_kenny
Vidic said that the reason why Man U is successful is because they don't talk about or dwell on the past glories but think about the future..But milan...that's a different case...That bast****D Galliani kept talking bout us having 3 golden balls...we're world champ..who gives a f****k? just think bout the future and keep winning..That's why i've made my decision bout milan...its in d previous 3-4 posts i just made
dst
Sell Pato and Kaka, buy Del Piero and Nedved.
il_diavolo_mtl
is DST the funniest man/woman to walk the earth or a inhebreated juve fan? lol
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