Tennie
Apr 3 2009, 12:30 PM
Hm. Tuttomercatoweb is running a speculative story (
link) suggesting that Bosian striker Dzeko (who plays for Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga) might be a good pick for the big striker Milan are supposedly after. He's done reasonably well for Wolfsburg this year so far as I know and on Wednesday, he scored twice for Bosnia.
Balkan guys and guys who follow the Bundesliga more closely than I do, what do you know about him?
Fillipo Simone
Apr 3 2009, 05:56 PM
I'd say he's very good and in form, flying high and higher then ever...so, get us Grafite.
il_diavolo_mtl
Apr 3 2009, 08:04 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 3 2009, 07:30 AM)

Hm. Tuttomercatoweb is running a speculative story (
link) suggesting that Bosian striker Dzeko (who plays for Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga) might be a good pick for the big striker Milan are supposedly after. He's done reasonably well for Wolfsburg this year so far as I know and on Wednesday, he scored twice for Bosnia.
Balkan guys and guys who follow the Bundesliga more closely than I do, what do you know about him?
Demba Ba of Hoffenheims is 4" taller and plays closer to the net.
Has dawn interest from the likes of chelsea and liverpool.
Has also been quoted as saying he wants to move to a bigger club
Fillipo Simone
Apr 3 2009, 08:07 PM
I'm watching Bundesliga regulary so...Grafite is better then both, don't who's wanting him or not. Dzeko and Ba both are good and could do something, but they are B class.
il_diavolo_mtl
Apr 3 2009, 08:35 PM
i think Ba could exceed in Milan as e is good wit chances (from wat i've seen) and alot better finisher then Adebayor
whoarethepatriots
Apr 3 2009, 08:45 PM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Apr 3 2009, 08:35 PM)

i think Ba could exceed in Milan as e is good wit chances (from wat i've seen) and alot better finisher then Adebayor
For a second there i thought you were talking about the Legendary Ibrahim Ba
il_diavolo_mtl
Apr 3 2009, 08:56 PM
Demba Ba
Full Name Demba Ba
Birth Date May 25, 1985
Birth Place France (that's what they all say...) lol
Height 6' 3" (1.90m)
Weight 185 lbs (84 kg)
Age 23
Position Forward
Squad # 9
Bluesummers
Apr 4 2009, 01:02 AM
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Apr 3 2009, 01:56 PM)

Demba Ba
Full Name Demba Ba
Birth Date May 25, 1985
Birth Place France (that's what they all say...) lol
Height 6' 3" (1.90m)
Weight 185 lbs (84 kg)
Age 23
Position Forward
Squad # 9
Hes a good player. +1
I doubt he's better than Adebayor though.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 4 2009, 03:02 AM)

Hes a good player. +1
I doubt he's better than Adebayor though.
How is he any good if he's not better than Adebayor?
Fillipo Simone
Apr 4 2009, 11:57 AM
Grafite, Grafite, Grafite...
Grafite (Wolfsburg) - 18 goals, 6 assists
Demba Ba (Hoffenheim) - 11 goals, 6 assists
Both better then Adebayor.
gal_kenny
Apr 4 2009, 01:57 PM
Galliani confessed that our young youth players have chances to play for Milan again...Players like Abate, Paloschi, Albertazzi...He confessed that Milan can't compete against teams like Real Madrid and should focus on the players they have...He said Albertazzi would get into the first team..He believed he's matured enough...Plus we'll still get a striker and a defender as promised...In the past, Milan has missed a lot of good young players but he hopes to find players still capable and proud to play for Milan..Something like that...I don't speak Italian but that's what I gat so far...Tennie I need ur help here
I'm glad he suddenly realises bout the sudden focus on young players
http://www.sportmediaset.it/calcio/articol...colo22147.shtml
Tennie
Apr 4 2009, 02:18 PM
+1 cookie to kenny.

I was just about to post a translation of that article but you beat me to it.

You got the salient points. The bit about Madrid was about earnings/taxes, as the clubs in Spain have a tax break and those in Italy don't.
I was hoping that maybe one or two of the kids on loan would return but now he's talking about 3? Gosh. And Albertazzi is just 17 but has been good in the NT youth games I've seen him for and is very highly rated by observers in Italy.
kizo
Apr 4 2009, 03:51 PM
I just came to post/translate this news too.

I am really satisfied. If Di Gennaro, Abate and Palo come back + Albertazzi,+2 new signings(Striker and Defender) and + Nesta Back, i think we will be ready for a new season.
and if Yoann also comes back, it would be really awesome
------------------------------------------Abbiati(Dida)-----------------------------------
Zambro(mattioni)-------Thiago Silva(Bonera)-------Nesta(new signing)--Janku(Zambro)
------------------Gattuso(Abate)--------Pirlo(Flamini)----------Ambro(Gourcuff)
---------------------------------------Kaka (r80,Di Gennaro)---------------------------------
--------------------Pato(Palo)----------------------------New Signing(Borriello)
I think we are pretty much covered
gal_kenny
Apr 4 2009, 04:00 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 4 2009, 02:18 PM)

+1 cookie to kenny.

I was just about to post a translation of that article but you beat me to it.

You got the salient points. The bit about Madrid was about earnings/taxes, as the clubs in Spain have a tax break and those in Italy don't.
I was hoping that maybe one or two of the kids on loan would return but now he's talking about 3? Gosh. And Albertazzi is just 17 but has been good in the NT youth games I've seen him for and is very highly rated by observers in Italy.
Thanks Tennie..i try..But em, It could benefit us cuz i think some players will be leaving milan in the summer...We have talent scattered everywhere, why not bring them back...N sell the crap that we have
whoarethepatriots
Apr 4 2009, 04:08 PM
I always thought it was a mistake letting Lino Marzoratti go. He was pretty solid with U21/23 Italy squad and had a good few seasons with his loan clubs. Plus he had a great debut all those years ago against Palermo.
When Maldini retires and Favalli aka no1 CB leave, they need to be replaced by our Primavera players, most notably Darmian and possibly Albertazzi. We cant afford to buy players so lets use our youth players. Inter gambled with Santon, and look how that turned out.
gal_kenny
Apr 4 2009, 04:10 PM
True that Whoarethepatriots but we still need to buy another world class centre back like Galliani said!!!
gal_kenny
Apr 4 2009, 04:11 PM
Another target for us, Dzeko scored twice against Bayern!!
whoarethepatriots
Apr 4 2009, 04:21 PM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 4 2009, 04:10 PM)

True that Whoarethepatriots but we still need to buy another world class centre back like Galliani said!!!
Agreed, but there arent any top class CB available, which is why we need to rely on our homegrown players for the mean time. That said if Roma fail to qualify for the CL, would that make Mexes available?
gal_kenny
Apr 4 2009, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Apr 4 2009, 03:21 PM)

Agreed, but there arent any top class CB available, which is why we need to rely on our homegrown players for the mean time. That said if Roma fail to qualify for the CL, would that make Mexes available?
Umm..i'm not sure cuz Roma and Sensi said that he wasn't going anywhere...But anything is possible in football nowadys..so you never know
il_diavolo_mtl
Apr 4 2009, 07:28 PM
QUOTE (Il Capitano @ Mar 17 2009, 10:13 AM)

I think it was the right choice to loan out Paloschi. Whats the point of him sitting on our bench when he can play regularly at a team like Parma who are good at developing young players.
EXACLY!!!!!!!
People seem to think that the Milan Bench is great training grounds for the youth players!!
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 3 2009, 08:02 PM)

Hes a good player. +1
I doubt he's better than Adebayor though.
ADE=most overrated Striker in modern time IMO, Ba is a finisher, not a "third time's the charm" striker.
QUOTE (dst @ Apr 4 2009, 04:29 AM)

How is he any good if he's not better than Adebayor?
LoL!!! +1
QUOTE (kizo @ Apr 4 2009, 10:51 AM)

I just came to post/translate this news too.

I am really satisfied. If Di Gennaro, Abate and Palo come back + Albertazzi,+2 new signings(Striker and Defender) and + Nesta Back, i think we will be ready for a new season.
and if Yoann also comes back, it would be really awesome
------------------------------------------Abbiati(Dida)-----------------------------------
Zambro(mattioni)-------Thiago Silva(Bonera)-------Nesta(new signing)--Janku(Zambro)
------------------Gattuso(Abate)--------Pirlo(Flamini)----------Ambro(Gourcuff)
---------------------------------------Kaka (r80,Di Gennaro)---------------------------------
--------------------Pato(Palo)----------------------------New Signing(Borriello)
I think we are pretty much covered
I would put flamini at Ambro's spot, and let Di genaro develop at reggina and only focus on signing a WC RB/LB
QUOTE (whoarethepatriots @ Apr 4 2009, 11:21 AM)

Agreed, but there arent any top class CB available, which is why we need to rely on our homegrown players for the mean time. That said if Roma fail to qualify for the CL, would that make Mexes available?
Mexes would be less good then nesta/silva IMO and we got Bonera/favalinho as suitible backups
MizNelson
Apr 4 2009, 08:07 PM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 4 2009, 05:57 AM)

Galliani confessed that our young youth players have chances to play for Milan again
I couldn't help but notice the choice of words here. Not something like "revealed" or "announced," but "confessed."
You'd almost think it was reluctance on Galliani's part to start bringing the younger guys back into the fold, but maybe it's just me.
mishie
Apr 4 2009, 08:07 PM
At last the possibilty of our youth getting a chance! the likes of Darmain, Strausser and Paloschi are good enough i think and Abate is already playing 1st team Serie A football. whatever the reason financial or other wise i don't care i want to see youth getting a chance they are raised the Milan way and know what is expected of them
Bluesummers
Apr 4 2009, 10:09 PM
I'm guessing it would be 2 top players plus the return of the youth. How were going to fund those top players is beyond me. I'm guessing emerson is going to be sold.
gal_kenny
Apr 4 2009, 10:29 PM
Emerson should be cuz he's really useless to this team...Really..He is Cigarini emerson switch...Plus, people were saying who will buy dida, kalac..I remember a certain Lehmann was bought by stuggart from Arsenal at bout age 38 or 39...so Kalac if not dida shud be sold...I'm really waiting for next season to come..Really anxious to see what happens cuz Milan n its directors are really tricky...
Bluesummers
Apr 4 2009, 10:37 PM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 4 2009, 03:29 PM)

Emerson should be cuz he's really useless to this team...Really..He is Cigarini emerson switch...Plus, people were saying who will buy dida, kalac..I remember a certain Lehmann was bought by stuggart from Arsenal at bout age 38 or 39...so Kalac if not dida shud be sold...I'm really waiting for next season to come..Really anxious to see what happens cuz Milan n its directors are really tricky...
True enough but I doubt we'll spend that much man to be honest with you. Unless Galliani is lying I think we'll only buy 2 big players and we'll return the youth. We'll sell off emerson and release sheva senderos. Maldini will retire. Favalli will probably stay another year.
gal_kenny
Apr 4 2009, 11:03 PM
True..but i don't know if favalli would extend...we'll be having much youth, so at least that era of oldness would've been gone..U know 38, 39ish...But Galliani said today that Albertazzi would be inserted into first team and that he believes that he's matured enough to play now...Gourcuff is still part of our youth and should come back too....Albertazzi is 6'1, so that's a good height for a defender...He should be good beside, we don't know how good they are until we play them...Next year i don't want Ambro to be first team at all..He's a good sub..Flamini all day...Plus, Carlo really really really needs to rotate these players..It shouldn't be every game that Kaka or pato or pirlo would play...He uses Pirlo too dang much...Barcelona's coach rotate his players a lot whether young or old and leaves them to stay and play the whole game b/c he has trust and believe in them..Carlo should do this..I'm afraid that next season Carlo wouldn't have any excuse...Still waiting for next season
Tennie
Apr 4 2009, 11:17 PM
Albertazzi is also 17 years old.

And skinny as a stick. He will need to bulk up some. But he's definitely got the talent.
Kurt and I may be the only two who rate Ambro but, well, I don't want to see him permanently benched. Would at this point prefer him to start over Flamini, though Flamini has finally adjusted to Serie A and is doing rather well.
gal_kenny
Apr 4 2009, 11:52 PM
loll..hopefully he'll gain much muscle cuz he has to, to survive in Serie A
whoarethepatriots
Apr 5 2009, 12:31 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 4 2009, 11:17 PM)

Albertazzi is also 17 years old.

And skinny as a stick. He will need to bulk up some. But he's definitely got the talent.
Kurt and I may be the only two who rate Ambro but, well, I don't want to see him permanently benched. Would at this point prefer him to start over Flamini, though Flamini has finally adjusted to Serie A and is doing rather well.
I am shocked!
I was defending Ambro long before it was cool to do so
Tennie
Apr 5 2009, 01:00 AM
Perhaps, but you're a meaniehead Crociati fan.
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 01:08 AM
Regarding Albertazzi, I say why not. I mean let him play in some coppa games or friendlies that no one really cares about. Its much too soon though for Serie A.
Darmian on the other hand should be given his shot. If we are signing a defender as galliani said, we should go after Lucio and use darmian as a fourth. That would then give us the chance to release favalli.
Otherwise loan them out. Or they will rot like viudez/cardaccio.
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 01:09 AM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 4 2009, 06:00 PM)

Perhaps, but you're a meaniehead Crociati fan.

lol, a what fan?
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 01:14 AM
Probably posted already, but here is the goal.com version of what galliani says:
QUOTE
No Major Changes At Milan Next Season - Galliani
Although Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani has said repeatedly that he does not want to talk about the transfer market until the end of the season, today he spoke to Milan Channel about some of the club's plans for the future.
"This Milan squad doesn't need to be refounded," he said, "this season we have had an incredible series of injuries which influenced our run. Next year we will have some reinforcements and we will continue in this more than two decades long journey. Some other players will quit due to their age, and we will also have the injured players back."
On Milan's youth products, Galliani said: "[Luca] Antonini, [Alberto] Paloschi, [Davide] Di Gennaro, and [Ignazio] Abate are players I always follow. They have a good chance of coming back here next season. If a player is young and a champion like Kaká he will play immediately, otherwise he can find space in any mid-table team.
"These last years we have found many great young players, we hope to find some others who can make that extra step to be good enough for Milan. They all have to be players worthy of a Champions League final."
He also talked about the match earlier this season against Lecce, Milan's next opponents on Sunday at San Siro, which finished 1-1.
"I remember that we were on top of the table when we went to Lecce," the bald-headed one commented. "We conceded an equaliser in the 92nd minute and Inter had scored at around the same time. We dropped to second in a minute and the matches that followed didn't go well. That match against Lecce was decisive.
"That's why we have to do better in our next games and remain in the first three places to qualify for the Champions League."
Milan are currently in third place with 55 points, four ahead of fourth-placed Genoa and seven behind runners-up Juventus.
He didn't mention gourcuff. So i'm guessing he's not going to be coming back. Sigh.... Hopefully abate or somebody can step it up and be an asset. I don't want to see them brought back just so they can fill our bench with players especially with carlo as our coach next season sighhh.....
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 01:22 AM
QUOTE
AC Milan Chief Executive Adriano Galliani has talked about the rumours concerning his club's alleged summer targets for the defence. Galliani stated : "Cannavaro is a star player, but we won't sign him because we are seeking younger players. Mexes? Berlusconi loves Rome, he would never try to sign an AS Roma star. We respect AS Roma chairman Rosella Sensi"
If he is telling the truth, then mexes is out of the picture.
gal_kenny
Apr 5 2009, 01:42 AM
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Apr 5 2009, 12:14 AM)

Probably posted already, but here is the goal.com version of what galliani says:
He didn't mention gourcuff. So i'm guessing he's not going to be coming back. Sigh.... Hopefully abate or somebody can step it up and be an asset. I don't want to see them brought back just so they can fill our bench with players especially with carlo as our coach next season sighhh.....
He said youth product as in those that grew up with Milan...Gourcuff was bought from Rennes to Milan..Not a youth product...He's young but not a youth product..Just trying not to confuse you...
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 03:12 AM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 4 2009, 06:42 PM)

He said youth product as in those that grew up with Milan...Gourcuff was bought from Rennes to Milan..Not a youth product...He's young but not a youth product..Just trying not to confuse you...
Yeah I hope your right. I hope your right.......
gal_kenny
Apr 5 2009, 04:07 AM
Guys i think i've made up my mind...It ain't like i'm to decide but I think we should go for Edin Dzeko rather than Keirrison or Neymar...Neymar is very very talented and skillful, and so is Keirrison..Neymar isn't a pure striker but more like a SS and we already have pato for that...But the thing is that, we don't need another pato for now...Pato is better than both of them but they're good and play alike...Dzeko is 23 years old and still has enough amount of years to come...We have attacking midfielders, kaka, ronnie, or even Viudez that can attack and give defenders problems but right now we need a target man...Borriello is one but isn't very much reliable cuz in Serie A people get injured very easily...plus Neymar doesn't have much physical body and that is needed right now...Keirrison is good but it seems that he doesn't want to move to Europe yet...so we'll have to wait on that...Dzeko is skillful too and would keep defenders on their toes...Plus he's been a milan fan since he was a kid, so that's a plus for us...I know we need to focus on defense but i just felt like saying this..
I hope we get him quickly!!!
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 04:13 AM
who is dzeko?
gal_kenny
Apr 5 2009, 04:15 AM
He's from Bosnia..He plays for Wolfsburg!!! Yo he's real good and young...n yea don't forget scores goals!!! he scored two against Bayern yesterday
Tennie
Apr 5 2009, 04:43 AM
And he scored two for Bosnia on Wednesday. young, tall, and rather good.
That said, Grafite's second goal today v. Bayern was a thing of beauty. Haven't seen a goal that good in a while. He skipped around the entire defense including the keeper and then backheeled the ball into the net.
gal_kenny
Apr 5 2009, 04:50 AM
yea a contention for goal of the year
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 04:51 AM
Will he fit in the italian league though? Also I doubt we'll be going after him. In my oppinion, I think our next signing in the Striker department will be a known one. I think the guy we'll sign will be very good. Thats why I think gourcuff will be sold to fund his purchase.
gal_kenny
Apr 5 2009, 04:52 AM
umm..i don't know if Gourcuff will be sold and we won't get a known striker...Galliani said that now we'll be going for players that haven't really kicked their careers into gear or something like that...But not a known one..
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 04:53 AM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 4 2009, 09:52 PM)

umm..i don't know if Gourcuff will be sold and we won't get a known striker...Galliani said that now we'll be going for players that haven't really kicked their careers into gear or something like that...But not a known one..
Yeah after the two signings he promised carlo. He said we'll be getting two great players, one in defence and one in the attack. I think after those two our signings will be youth, which is a nice change.
gal_kenny
Apr 5 2009, 04:56 AM
ok...i jus can't wait to see the players we'll get...I'm looking forward to next season
Bluesummers
Apr 5 2009, 05:10 AM
QUOTE (gal_kenny @ Apr 4 2009, 09:56 PM)

ok...i jus can't wait to see the players we'll get...I'm looking forward to next season
Yeah i'm a bit worried personally. I mean looking at this list right now:
So far this is who we are losing:
100% losing:
maldini (retirement)
Shevchenko (loan ends)
Senderos (loan ends)
Becks (loan ends)
A chance of losing:
Favalli ( end of contract)
Oddo (bayern want to keep him)
Gourcuff (bordeaux want to keep him)
Thats 7 players right there.
3 who play consistently. They need to replaced.
gal_kenny
Apr 5 2009, 02:34 PM
There is rumour that Beckham could be returning back from MLS to Milan...OMG..I hope that doesn't come through...we need our youth to start playing...Beckham shouldn't return...I hope he doesn't return...I mean what he's done for us this season is good but its time to say goodbye to the old
Fillipo Simone
Apr 5 2009, 03:19 PM
I don't agree with the logic implemented. I strongly dislike paroles like "youth must play", "we have to get rid of XY to be able to play the young YX". It's the same phrase used in politics: "give the youth a chance".
It depends on how good these players are. I think Milan's technical, professional and managerial structure is the closest factor to a objective and sure judgment. What can we say? Can I say Albertazzi good? Yes, sure. But I'm not an' insider, so, my opinion is of little importance.
Beckham should go away in order to make place for talented players in midfield who can play for Milan at highest level. Are there any? Only IMO, Gourcuff, and he's also a big question mark. So, unless we sign/ensure another midfielder-talent, I'm not sure we should give up on Beck's.
LaPalma
Apr 5 2009, 04:51 PM
QUOTE (Tennie @ Apr 5 2009, 05:43 AM)

And he scored two for Bosnia on Wednesday. young, tall, and rather good.
That said, Grafite's second goal today v. Bayern was a thing of beauty. Haven't seen a goal that good in a while. He skipped around the entire defense including the keeper and then backheeled the ball into the net.
It was absolutely superb....AAA class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ad59NfA4Q20 goals in 17 matches...that's...WOW. But he wouldn't be cheap. Wolfsburg don't need to sell any player.
Zed.D
Apr 6 2009, 11:49 AM
^^^ It reminded me of Zlatan's goal for Ajax.
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