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Zed.D
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EDIT: And for what it's worth, Telelombardia seems pretty darn sure that De Silvestri will arrive. For $ + either Oddo or Kaladze.

I'd give Oddo plus money. Kaladze could be a good sub with a lot of experience.
han2503
QUOTE (il_diavolo_mtl @ Aug 19 2009, 08:08 PM) *
i think we need pace in our midfield if we plan on starting Flamini- Pirlo- Rino

I don't think that trio contributes pace, if Pirlo has a bad day we won't create anything, even with Pirlo playing well we'll struggle to create chances with that midfield. The excessive use of DMs to me is a Carlo thing and needs to be stopped, this is the reason why we nearly had to sweat blood to score for the past couple of seasons because of his insistance to play the 2 DMs, which were usually Ambro and Rino which is 10 times worse then the Rino-Flamini combo since Ambro barely knows how to run let alone play football rolleyes.gif

The 3rd midfield position should be filled by a box to box mid, someone that can track back and cover defensively but also move the ball forward very well. De Rossi would be the dream but Hernanes is also a very good option and would come a lot cheaper,

@ Tennie, Abate would be wasted tucked into that midfield 3, he needs to be on the wings to cause damage.
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 08:22 PM) *
(Abate)

EDIT: And for what it's worth, Telelombardia seems pretty darn sure that De Silvestri will arrive. For $ + either Oddo or Kaladze.

Whether they know what they're talking about....Fishdoll just isn't positive.

Hmmm, aren't Telelombardia usually pretty spot on since they're Milan based?
Tennie
Yeah, they are han. Fishdoll's trying not to get his hopes up.

The problem with giving them Oddo (which would be my choice too) is that 1. he's refusing offers, generally and 2. his wage demands are more than Lazio (which is on strict salary caps after their bankrupcy) can afford. Telelombardia thinks Milan will be willing to help pay part of it (not too sure). It'd be the same problem with Kaladze.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 11:46 AM) *
No more Brazilians, please. Thanks. There are equally good, if not better, Italian players.

Which Italian midfielder who costs 10m or less is better than hernanes or VDV right now? Don't forget these two are internationals players as well.
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 08:44 PM) *
Yeah, they are han. Fishdoll's trying not to get his hopes up.

The problem with giving them Oddo (which would be my choice too) is that 1. he's refusing offers, generally and 2. his wage demands are more than Lazio (which is on strict salary caps after their bankrupcy) can afford. Telelombardia thinks Milan will be willing to help pay part of it (not too sure). It'd be the same problem with Kaladze.

I hate these situations, both are mediocre, they should accept the fact and move on. Or else Milan should really concider terminating their contracts. They are of no use to us, and to keep paying them the ridiculously high wages is more then stupid.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2009, 02:49 PM) *
I hate these situations, both are mediocre, they should accept the fact and move on. Or else Milan should really concider terminating their contracts. They are of no use to us, and to keep paying them the ridiculously high wages is more then stupid.

we have to pay them their wage if we terminate though. Both obviously dont' want to leave because they are getting fat cheques every week.
Tennie
Don't think that either of those two is going for 10 or less (unless VDV's lawyers really can get the 'breach of contract' thing proved and he leaves for free).

Italians who are good? How about Italian international Gaetano D'Agostino? Or Italian international Angelo Palombo?
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 02:51 PM) *
Don't think that either of those two is going for 10 or less (unless VDV's lawyers really can get the 'breach of contract' thing proved and he leaves for free).

Italians who are good? How about Italian international Gaetano D'Agostino? Or Italian international Angelo Palombo?

They will both cost us around 20m besides what makes you think that our rivals will sell them to us in the first place?

VDV's price was reported around 8m. Hernanes agent said milan could get around 10m.
Tennie
Sources re VDV price? I recall Hernanes' price being quite a bit higher when the Sao Paulo president laughed in Milan's face and stated the offer made was equivalent to being offered a crate of bananas.

EDIT: And I'm not at all sure that Sao Paulo and Real are prepared to sell the two you mentioned, blue, so let's stop the bickering, shall we? We simply seem to disagree on the matter.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 02:53 PM) *
Sources re VDV price? I recall Hernanes' price being quite a bit higher when the Sao Paulo president laughed in Milan's face and stated the offer made was equivalent to being offered a crate of bananas.

EDIT: And I'm not at all sure that Sao Paulo and Real are prepared to sell the two you mentioned, blue, so let's stop the bickering, shall we? We simply seem to disagree on the matter.

fair enough, okay.
Bluesummers
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Breakthrough In Inter’s Move For Real Madrid’s Wesley Sneijder Imminent


Inter's long search for a trequartista could end soon, as a key day of negotiations is expected to take place between the movers and shakers at Appiano Gentile before they respond to Real Madrid president Florentino Perez's demands for Wesley Sneijder.

According to Il Corriere dello Sport, Inter could meet Real Madrid's lowered €15 million valuation today. That price tag could be paid in a number of instalments, further enticing Inter into making an offer.

Los Blancos are unwilling to allow Sneijder to leave on loan as they wish to trim down their squad - a situation the Nerazzurri are familiar with as they attempt to offload Nicolas Burdisso.

The ball is currently in Nerazzurri president Massimo Moratti's court as he weighs up the move, but should the Inter supremo decide against the transfer there are other options available to him.

Rafael van der Vaart, also of Real Madrid, and Chelsea's Deco have long been considered as options, while rumours have resurfaced linking Livorno star Alessandro Diamanti with the Beneamata.


goal.com


Just lovely smile.gif
Bluesummers
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According to news daily AS, Real Madrid general director, Jorge Valdano, flew to Dortmund this morning, where the Merengues will play a friendly match later today, and met with Wesley Sneijder for half-hour to discuss Inter's offer.

The Nerazzurri have been credited with an interest in the Holland international, who is believed to be seeking football away from the Santiago Bernabeu as he does not figure in coach Manuel Pellegrini's first-team plans.

While Real Madrid are reportedly asking for €20 million for Sneijder, fresh speculation indicates a deal could be struck for just €15m.

The Spanish giants meet Borussia Dortmund today at 20.15 in what could well be Sneijder's last appearance for the club.

goal.com


Looks like its going to be done shortly sad.gif F*ck you silvio! 15m is nothing for a player like sneijder!!!! mad.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 08:53 PM) *
Sources re VDV price? I recall Hernanes' price being quite a bit higher when the Sao Paulo president laughed in Milan's face and stated the offer made was equivalent to being offered a crate of bananas.

EDIT: And I'm not at all sure that Sao Paulo and Real are prepared to sell the two you mentioned, blue, so let's stop the bickering, shall we? We simply seem to disagree on the matter.

Both reports were mentioned on TMW a while back, I remember as I read them myself.

VdV and D'Ago are neither really what we need imo.

Plus regarding VdV and whether Real want to sell or not. I think the fact that they told him flat out that he's not included and ommitted him from all of the pre-season is as good an indication as any. And Real have no choice now then to sell their extra baggage for peanuts, they have a massive squad of top quality players, non of them want to stay on the bench for an entire season while the newbies get to play every match and be fawned over. Just like Huntelaar was sold for a small price all of the other player that are deamed surplus and have still not be offloaded will practically go for nothing at the end of this window because Real simply cannot afford to keep them, and not just in the monetary sense
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2009, 03:08 PM) *
Both reports were mentioned on TMW a while back, I remember as I read them myself.

VdV and D'Ago are neither really what we need imo.

Plus regarding VdV and whether Real want to sell or not. I think the fact that they told him flat out that he's not included and ommitted him from all of the pre-season is as good an indication as any. And Real have no choice now then to sell their extra baggage for peanuts, they have a massive squad of top quality players, non of them want to stay on the bench for an entire season while the newbies get to play every match and be fawned over. Just like Huntelaar was sold for a small price all of the other player that are deamed surplus and have still not be offloaded will practically go for nothing at the end of this window because Real simply cannot afford to keep them, and not just in the monetary sense

I donno about that. VDV for around 8m? I mean sure he might not be exactly the younger seedorf were looking for but comon, it doesn't get any better than that. I would sign him just because he is only 8m. So if dinho doesn't perform then we can bench him and put in a replacement. If dinho doesn't perform currently we have no one else challenging him.
Bluesummers
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OFFICIAL: Sampdoria Sign Franco Semioli From Fiorentina
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good signing. I hope viola make some signings soon, they are in CL afterall.
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2009, 09:16 PM) *
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good signing. I hope viola make some signings soon, they are in CL afterall.

They still have a game in the qualifiers to see if they make it. If they make signings now and spend a lot of money then not make it to the CL it would be a massive blow for them financially
Bluesummers
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2009, 03:23 PM) *
They still have a game in the qualifiers to see if they make it. If they make signings now and spend a lot of money then not make it to the CL it would be a massive blow for them financially

you don't think they'll beat sporting?
Ry4n
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 09:51 PM) *
Don't think that either of those two is going for 10 or less (unless VDV's lawyers really can get the 'breach of contract' thing proved and he leaves for free).

Italians who are good? How about Italian international Gaetano D'Agostino? Or Italian international Angelo Palombo?


i like both , but if i had a choice right now we need D'Agostino more then we need Palombo both have different characteristics , but if i was greedy i would want both king.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2009, 10:24 PM) *
you don't think they'll beat sporting?

You can never be too sure, even though they have the upper hand because of their away goal, the game still essentially starts at 0-0, if sporting score early it will become complicated as a high scoring draw or a loss will see them out
Tennie
Fiorentina have been flirting with the idea of signing a centerback much of the summer but nobody's been signed. They DID bring in two now ex-gobbi (marchionni and zanetti) for quite reasonable prices. Both these guys played yesterday for the Viola.
ganney
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2009, 08:35 PM) *
Yes but VdV is an attacking midfielder, what we need is a box to box guy and Hernanes imo is the perfect guy. I don't care whether he's Brazilian, Italian or an alien


i'm totally wiv u on this, we need a box to box man,
pirlo creates from within our half, obviously it sometimes slows down team effort

dinho tries unnecessary dribbles&sometimes looses d ball needlessly, even since his barca glory days.. now its worse as he obviously isnt the same player he was then

flamini can mix creativity with defensive responsibility

rino sometimes can't make a decent pass to save his own life

ambrosini work speaks for itself

we need a guy who can CLEAN UP HIS OWN MESS as well as he can MAKE CHANCES and CHIP IN with game deciding goals

hernanes is the answer
Bluesummers
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Inter and Real Madrid have finally come to an agreement regarding Wesley Sneijder, that will see the player join the Nerazzurri, according to Sky.

The Italian champions will reportedly pay €15 million for the midfielder, as los Blancos seem to be willing to lower their original asking price on the former Ajax star as the transfer window edges towards a close.

Sneijder had previously stated that he would prefer to remain with the Spanish giants, but was not opposed to joining the Serie A side, as he considered it a "nice option".

Further evidence of the deal were reports that sporting director Jorge Valdano had flown to Dortmund to discuss the transfer with the 25-year-old. Also, Sneijder did not participate in the 5-1 friendly victory over Borussia Dortmund, sitting on the bench in civilian clothing.

If a deal was indeed finally struck - an announcement should be made in the near future - ending Inter's lengthy search for a creative force in the centre of the pitch.

goal.com



were officially f*cked sad.gif
kurtsimonw
Serie A is becoming what the SPL would be if Celtic were kicked out of it. A one team league. It's very scary that I can't see the end of Inters reign. Say what you want about Moratti, but he cares more about his team that our owner does.
ganney
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 19 2009, 11:14 PM) *
were officially f*cked sad.gif


they keep strengthenin a squad that already plays better football than us, thats worrying
barosicky
is silvestri news are true? did he already signed with milan?
Bluesummers
QUOTE (barosicky @ Aug 19 2009, 07:00 PM) *
is silvestri news are true? did he already signed with milan?

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Milan market closed rather not. The sudden reverse Berlusconi Monday evening, comes from the conversation with Galliani on the sidelines of the Trofeo Berlusconi: "We have an agreement with Lotito for De Silvestri" announced the CEO to the patron. The quarterback of the expiring contract in 2010 and put out pink for refusing to renew must leave for strength. Because of the special situation the contract Lotito would leave for less than 5 million and Galliani has already in hand the agreement with his friend President biancoceleste. Even before the August to rossonero had tried to enter into negotiations Oddo. The quarterback, foreign body in the changing room, was not included in the plans of Milan, and seemed not to want to stay. But Lotito said openly that it is already having in pink two external Kolarov and Lichsteiner and that has an engagement too high, so Oddo did reverse releasing declarations of love against Milan. Lazio prefers a central trusting 100% of Diakite. The idea may feel good at Milan who had finally recovered Nesta and Thiago Silva has found his ideal partner is located in central rose 6. Too many, especially when compared to other departments. From this consideration was born the idea to sell Kaladze, still struggling with the knee injury plagued and never the result of President Berlusconi. The Bayern, Lucio lost, could be interested in Georgia. Alternatively, the Milan could turn to Lazio in exchange for De Silvestri more money: the problem is, however, the high engagement of the central, quite outside the parameters Lotito. Again, the Milan should intervene economically because, as noted, Lotito does not give even one euro. Morale: De Silvestri in Milan certainly arrive by the end of the month and will be in place of one of Oddo and Kaladze, the first to find a team.

source: milannews


we'll probably sign him but personally I'm still not satisfied even if we do. We need more players, especially with juve and inter still signing and Fio to go all out when they qualify.
Tennie
huh.gif Fiorentina going all out? I haven't seen anything recent about them interested in buying anyone.
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 07:50 PM) *
huh.gif Fiorentina going all out? I haven't seen anything recent about them interested in buying anyone.

cause they haven't qualified yet. When they beat sporting they will sign players. Their president said to the fans to wait a few weeks and they will begin signing players.
Tennie
Really? When did he say that? And where?
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 09:03 PM) *
Really? When did he say that? And where?

He said that a week or two ago on TMW. It was then sourced everywhere including goal.com.
Tennie
Ah. Thanks for that. They're apparently looking at Miranda and Munoz at least according to tuttomercatoweb. Or might be looking at them.
Bluesummers
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Palermo Drop Interest In Torino’s Blerim Dzemaili

Torino’s Blerim Dzemaili was a shining light in what was an otherwise dark season for his now-relegated club last term, which has consequently seem him linked with a return to the top flight.

Milan, Napoli, Udinese, Fiorentina and Palermo have all been reportedly tracking the 23-year-old Swiss international, but the latter of those five clubs were thought to be the most interested in acquiring his services at this late stage of the summer.

Despite this and the many weeks of negotiations between the two clubs, the sporting director of the Rosanero has officially closed the door to the arrival of Dzemaili.

“We will not be signing this player, as for us, this is an option that has now passed,” Walter Sabatini explained to Stadionews.it.

“There are many other players who we can consider acquiring in the coming couple of weeks, so hopefully we end up making a few more good decisions.”

Dzemaili is still expected to leave the Granata, as his desire to depart the club has not been taken well by his team and its supporters.


he might still be an option for us, we'll have to wait and see.
Tennie
A bunch of clubs play Europa League games tomorrow -- it'd probably be worth checking call up lists to see who's left off. De Silvestri's gonna be off the Lazio list because of injury but there may be other noticeable absences.

The other thing that's just occurred to me is that neither Cardacio nor Viudez have jersey numbers. This to me means they'll be going somewhere. Anyone heard anything about their destination?
Bluesummers
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 19 2009, 09:22 PM) *
A bunch of clubs play Europa League games tomorrow -- it'd probably be worth checking call up lists to see who's left off. De Silvestri's gonna be off the Lazio list because of injury but there may be other noticeable absences.

The other thing that's just occurred to me is that neither Cardacio nor Viudez have jersey numbers. This to me means they'll be going somewhere. Anyone heard anything about their destination?

its very odd. We dont' have a reserve team and cardaccio is too young for u20s so its very odd that he would just be left there. My guess they might be used to make Di S come? or they could be send out on coownerships to clubs like parma.
Bluesummers


Okay guys, these are the richest owners in football. Gotta love the fact that silvio is f*ckin loaded.

But why i'm posting this is to prove that alot of clubs in the world have debt yet they are not crippling, so why can't we have some debt.
Dracoris
Yea thats pretty cool
Bluesummers
Update: alot of sources are reporting that Di S and Milan deal is very close and a few things are on the table. There is oddo and Di S swap, kaladze and Di S swap, which we heard earlier today. However new reports have emerged that Lolitto does not want an exchange of players and is willing to reduce his price tag for the player to 4.5 million euros cash only. (a source: tmw)



If these reports are right and we can sign him for 4.5 and we dont, i'm going to be f*cking mad! I don't care if he is injured for a month, 4.5 m is a joke!!!

comon G f*ckin sign him and stop fooling around. If you want to get rid of Kala and Oddo so bad just tell them they are not in the clubs plans and they are for sale. Done and over with.
ganney
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 20 2009, 05:25 AM) *


Okay guys, these are the richest owners in football. Gotta love the fact that silvio is f*ckin loaded.

But why i'm posting this is to prove that alot of clubs in the world have debt yet they are not crippling, so why can't we have some debt.


no need for debts, we only need to splash the cash(which we have cos i don't believe all d crap b&g are selling) on match winning players(they are out there) we needn't spend 30m on an individual player
Zed.D
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Di S

It's De, not Di!
dst
QUOTE (han2503 @ Aug 19 2009, 11:38 PM) *
I don't think that trio contributes pace, if Pirlo has a bad day we won't create anything, even with Pirlo playing well we'll struggle to create chances with that midfield. The excessive use of DMs to me is a Carlo thing and needs to be stopped, this is the reason why we nearly had to sweat blood to score for the past couple of seasons because of his insistance to play the 2 DMs, which were usually Ambro and Rino which is 10 times worse then the Rino-Flamini combo since Ambro barely knows how to run let alone play football rolleyes.gif

If we play 4-3-3 we have to have two defensive midfielders on the field! Who's going to defend if we don't, Ronaldinho? We created more chances than anyone would expect against Juve the other night, Flamini is great going forward so we don't have a problem. If Pirlo is out we do.

QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 20 2009, 07:25 AM) *


Okay guys, these are the richest owners in football. Gotta love the fact that silvio is f*ckin loaded.

But why i'm posting this is to prove that alot of clubs in the world have debt yet they are not crippling, so why can't we have some debt.

They forgot to include Deportivo de La Coruña's president in that list.

We can have some debt but they don't want to... it's a company after all and they want it to be as healthy as possible.
LaPalma
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Aug 20 2009, 06:25 AM) *


Okay guys, these are the richest owners in football. Gotta love the fact that silvio is f*ckin loaded.

But why i'm posting this is to prove that alot of clubs in the world have debt yet they are not crippling, so why can't we have some debt.

Who made that lousy list? Bayern and Schalke don't have an owner. They're independent companies. They couldn't be owned by someone anyway. That's forbidden by DFB regulations.
Tennie
Here's a new one. Tuttomercatoweb is quoting Corriere as saying Fiorentina may be interested in Kaladze.
han2503
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 20 2009, 10:48 AM) *
Here's a new one. Tuttomercatoweb is quoting Corriere as saying Fiorentina may be interested in Kaladze.

Take him!!!
ganney
QUOTE (Tennie @ Aug 20 2009, 11:48 AM) *
Here's a new one. Tuttomercatoweb is quoting Corriere as saying Fiorentina may be interested in Kaladze.


i used to have high hopes for a nesta kaladze pairing, thought they were exceptional together during ECL 2007 when maldini was injured, he just suddenly lost his composure& confidence& consistency. the 3cs' that make a good defender
il_diavolo_mtl
im ok with waving so long to kaladzhe smile.gif
Bluesummers
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Oddo: "I'm ready to leave"

Milan's right backwing Massimo Oddo, interviewed by CNR Media, declared: "I'm ready to leave if a good offer would be submitted. There's no break between me and the club, and I'm currently a Milan player, but I'll obviously take account of positive chances, especially if coming from distinguished teams". Oddo, asked about rumours concerning his possible return to Lazio, answered: "My years spent playing for Lazio were special, and I'm in very good terms with chairman Lotito".
Bluesummers
QUOTE (LaPalma @ Aug 20 2009, 04:47 AM) *
Who made that lousy list? Bayern and Schalke don't have an owner. They're independent companies. They couldn't be owned by someone anyway. That's forbidden by DFB regulations.

yeah it seemed strange to me to. Adidas owns bayern?? wtf?? I just ignored it. I'm looking at the club debt and transfer exp/inc things like that. Yes i originally posted the club owners and things like that but it was only minor.
Tennie
Blue, highlighting where some english-language site got it doesn't count as citing your sources. The english language site could be totally fabricating what's said. Please cite where you got the articles from. (ie, goal.com)
Bluesummers
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Despite Silvio Berlusconi declared Milan market ended, seems that they are working secretly for Lorenzo De Silvestri of Lazio. According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, Milan in order to acquire the player, are disposed to offer Kaladze and Oddo.


gazetta again today. Its becoming more and more concrete as many many reports are emerging on this. I hope its actually real and not a big media prank on us fans.
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