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dst
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 19 2013, 10:40 PM) *

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acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 20 2013, 02:25 AM) *
Well The Sun is THE Holy Grail of gossip mags



Totally agree, by the way, man. smile.gif Balotelli in the winter? Fat chance of that happening.
han2503
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 19 2013, 11:39 PM) *


Totally agree, by the way, man. smile.gif Balotelli in the winter? Fat chance of that happening.

Well he's on thin ice with the City management as well as with Mancini. I'm 100% sure they want him out of there. But if we can't meet their demands then they won't relent simple as that. And I can't see where 24m would come from at this point unless Silvio endorses the move himself.

Personally, I'd rather we focus on an AM and get another CM or DM for that midfield of ours. Now Galliani wants to keep a dud like Traore, AS IF that would help us in the slightest
acid911
You talk total sense, man, but if we get Kaka (and his 10 million wages), then Balotelli is a distant thought. Maybe in the summer, or unless we get a really good deal out out of City. smile.gif Obviously, Silvio will most probably be the one footing the bill in either case. But personally I think El Shaarawy is going to be our man.

Unless, in some drastic twist of fate, we sell Shaarawy to Arsenal and sign Balotelli.
Jack Bauer
In Corriere Dello Sport they speculate that money for Balotelli's trasfter will come from the sales of Abate and Robinho (either now or in 6 month).
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Jan 20 2013, 12:26 AM) *
And this would?


Yes, it would. ohmy.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 20 2013, 12:51 AM) *
In Corriere Dello Sport they speculate that money for Balotelli's trasfter will come from the sales of Abate and Robinho (either now or in 6 month).

That better not be the case for Abate.

How stupid! And they expect us to buy this youth + home grown "project" they're trying to shove down our throats??

Robinho absolutely needs to be sold now. But selling Abate when our only other option is De Sciglio... That's just bad planning, bad management and basically the same old thing of saying one thing and doing the complete opposite of that.

Maybe te reason why Allegri is constantly using DS when Abate is clearly the better option is because we're actually trying to sell him...
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2013, 08:11 PM) *
Unless Kaká is willing to reduce his wages to €5 million, then it's not happening. C'mon Ricky, make that sacrifice!

Well, it isn't exactly up to Ricky either. In fact it never was. While I liked the Brazilian player, I used to look negatively on his big entourage. It's up to his dad mostly.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 19 2013, 10:28 PM) *
Galliani: "Only Strasser, Carmona and Valoti will leave. The various Mesbah, Traoré and Flamini will stay because we need everyone".

Source: Mediaset

OMG, OMG, OMG! Saying Strasser will leave but the other duds we have will stay because we need them is hitting the bottom low right there! Fucking ridiculous. rolleyes.gif

As I said earlier, there must be a mystery around Strasser. Something isn't right because we're always so keen to push him away. Maybe his injury problems are more serious and permanent, like Pato.

QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 20 2013, 02:51 AM) *
In Corriere Dello Sport they speculate that money for Balotelli's trasfter will come from the sales of Abate and Robinho (either now or in 6 month).

Agree with han, it would be ridiculous to get rid of Abate at this point. Especially for Balotelli.
Jack Bauer
Adriano Galliani confirms there are developments for Kaka and Milan “will jump for Mario Balotelli" if the price-tag drops.

The Vice-President spoke to Sky Sport Italia ahead of today’s Serie A game with Bologna at San Siro.

“We are trying for Kaka. It is an issue of numbers. I don’t want to get into particulars right now, but we have to make a sacrifice, as do Real Madrid and Kaka.

“In a day or two we’ll know whether the move can go through or not. It is a difficult solution to find, because there is a big anomaly in the difference between the Italian and Spanish fiscal rules.

“Of all the players who left Milan, nobody had the emotional effect of Kaka, not even Zlatan Ibrahimovic or Thiago Silva. There are thousands of Rossoneri fans who are orphans of Kaka since 2009, including me.”

Galliani was also asked about Balotelli amid reports the €37m price set by Manchester City has dropped to €28m.

“It depends on them. I am waiting, they are there and if the price drops then we will jump for Balotelli. Otherwise, we will stay in Milan. They are his legitimate employers, so we wait, observe and see what happens.

“How much does it have to drop? We don’t know. Paying in instalments is an option, but you still have to pay.”

http://www.football-italia.net/29711/milan...mp-balotelli-if
Jack Bauer
Italian newspapers claim Milan are preparing an offer for Queens Park Rangers creative midfielder Adel Taarabt.

The 23-year-old Moroccan international had already been linked with the Rossoneri in December when declaring his agent had “spoken to” the Rossoneri.

According to La Gazzetta dello Sport, the interest has been renewed as a cheaper alternative to Ricky Kaka.

Taarabt is only under contract at Loftus Road until June 2013 and has been linked with Chelsea, Manchester United and Real Madrid.

More importantly, he has a French passport, so will not take up a non-EU spot.

http://www.football-italia.net/29701/milan-look-taarabt
X-Offender
Anybody seen him play?
CHU-LIP
Taarabt still only 23? Wow, that is interesting.
Fillipo Simone
AC Milan will soon be African Club Milan if this continues. But as long as we sign good players, it's pretty much irrelevant. After Holland and Brazil, maybe Africa is our new/old gold mine.
X-Offender
"African Club Milan" laugh.gif
Danny
I get weary of Galliani.

'Kaka is the only player we're negotiating for'

One day later

'We will only sign Balotelli if they reduce the asking price'.

Don't get me wrong, he's the crazy uncle you can't really rely on and we all KNOW this but I really hate being lied to.
Danny
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 19 2013, 05:02 PM) *
Sorry Han, can't agree with that. dry.gif huh.gif From my research, online and offline, this figure is around the 92% mark. But yeah, whatever. Let's just agree to disagree.






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I agree.

But will agree to disagree for the sake of agreeing to disagree.

PS Han I was all ready the other day to reply to you but dinner got served and I lost momentum.

And the moment's passed.

So let's agree to disagree tongue.gif tongue.gif
Fillipo Simone
Ahh, never mind Galliani.
han2503
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 21 2013, 04:23 PM) *
I get weary of Galliani.

'Kaka is the only player we're negotiating for'

One day later

'We will only sign Balotelli if they reduce the asking price'.

Don't get me wrong, he's the crazy uncle you can't really rely on and we all KNOW this but I really hate being lied to.

Last week it was that we were not going to sign anyone. The usual BS.

Galliani would do himself a favour to just shut up, his credibility levels are already at rock bottom. He just makes himself look like an idiot

QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 21 2013, 04:24 PM) *
I agree.

But will agree to disagree for the sake of agreeing to disagree.

PS Han I was all ready the other day to reply to you but dinner got served and I lost momentum.

And the moment's passed.

So let's agree to disagree tongue.gif tongue.gif

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Let's all say that we agree that Kaka is no where near the player hw was for us in his first spell and anyone expecting anything close to that will be disappointed. Having said that he's an improvement over what we currently have at our disposal. I think everyone here would agree with this.
drucurl
Kaka brings so much I'm amazed that ppl actually oppose his transfer. He can dish through balls like Pirlo all day long and is an excellent shooter from almost any range. Supply of opportunities has been lacking in our attack and even so Stephan and Giampolo have managed to get into double digits....am I missing something?

Yes he doesn't have his old pace....but with so many runners in our team now....we need a composed player not named Montolivo who can get past his marker and dish to the strikers.
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 21 2013, 11:01 PM) *
Galliani would do himself a favour to just shut up, his credibility levels are already at rock bottom. He just makes himself look like an idiot

Rock bottom? huh.gif His credibility has already torn the surface of the rock and drilling deep into the very core of the stone. If goes goes on lying like this, pretty soon he will have minus negative credibility. His mirror wouldn't believe him when Galliani will take a look at it to comb his hair.
maldini03
I think the addition of Kaka would be good for this team, both to motivate the younger players and to help give this team more of an attacking threat, but where we really lack is at CB. We don't have one great CB. Mexes is good, but he is prone to mistakes, and I believe he needs a partner who is better than him to be at his best.

I think we also lack at the anchor position, with DJ out for the foreseeable future we don't have anyone who can switch off with Ambro. I think that Strasser should be held on to and given a chance in this rebuilding era, but if he flops, we will be in the $h!t.

I wonder how Nocerino would do at the anchor position, his passing isn't terrible and his attacking exploits seem to have left him this year. I think we lose a lot if Monto is forced to be the holding midfielder, but it may work with Kaka as the playmaker.

I think we should prioritize Ogbonna as our major coup for the winter, with Pato bringing in 15 mil, and Robinho potentially bringing 10, that is 25 million to spend. Take 4 out for Saponara and we are left with ~21 million. I say send 12 and a few kids Torino's way leaving ~8 for the Kaka deal. I believe any more than 10 for him is a waste unfortunately and it would be better spent elsewhere.
amancik
Latest news is that the deal is off. Why on earth did they even bother in the first place? He was always going to be pricey. Really typical Galliani, created hope for people only to crush thereafter.
Fillipo Simone
But I think it's funny how you guys comment Galliani. He's an easy target. And those quotes are simply for media purposes, I don't understand the necessity of beating a dead body. YES - Galliani is a liar. YES - Galliani tells the media one thing and then does another. YES - his credibility in terms of Milan signings is low.

But there's an American saying Bush made us all learn - you all know that "If you fool me once..." saying. So why do we have to make the same conclusions every transfer period over and over again? Why can't we just let it be and wait for us to sign or not sign players?
Jack Bauer
Milan vice-President Adriano Galliani has revealed that their negotiations to sign Kaka have 'broken down'.

Calcio News had reported earlier that the loan deal for the Real Madrid man had been completed.

But the 68-year-old Rossoneri administrator has admitted that the Brazil international will not be rejoining the club.

“The negotiation for Kaka has broken down,” he told reporters. “It is not possible to complete the deal because of fiscal reasons.

“The deal broke down about an hour ago. But we had agreed on everything else.”

http://www.football-italia.net/29763/galli...eal-broken-down

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Milan Are Brilliant
I'll look forward to the Serie B player who we get in, only on loan though as we can't afford the transfer fee, hopefully we will drum up some PR too and call him Mr.X instead of a 17 year old kid who's only played 90 minutes of professional football in his life... or maybe I'm still being way too over optimistic.
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 22 2013, 01:02 AM) *
But we had agreed on everything else.

What else was there to agree on, you sadist of a director, you! mad.gif angry.gif realmad.gif
Jack Bauer
biggrin.gif Even acid is pissed..
acid911
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 22 2013, 02:43 AM) *
Even acid is pissed..

I have my limits. First he let Sneijder go and now he is talking about finances for Kaka. I understand it could all be part of a plan, but this could be another one of those plans that explodes in Galliani's face.

All the while he makes us look like a fool, while it is evident we need a quality AM like there is no tomorrow!
Fillipo Simone
I don't get it. Why are pissed exactly?
Jack Bauer
I'm not too disappointed because at this point I have zero expectations from our management. All of this became too comical (even more than before) and we should treat Galliani like you treat a retarded uncle: "Oh that crazy Galliani done it again, here's a cookie".
Danny
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 21 2013, 05:01 PM) *
Last week it was that we were not going to sign anyone. The usual BS.

Galliani would do himself a favour to just shut up, his credibility levels are already at rock bottom. He just makes himself look like an idiot


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Let's all say that we agree that Kaka is no where near the player hw was for us in his first spell and anyone expecting anything close to that will be disappointed. Having said that he's an improvement over what we currently have at our disposal. I think everyone here would agree with this.


Remarkable. We completely agree biggrin.gif

It had to happen!
Danny
Know something, I don't think we were ever getting Kaka.

I think Galliani humoured the idea and no more - we don't have the kind of money Kaka would want. He's on say about 200k. We can't afford 100k.

Sounds to me like Galliani wasn't willing to be reasonable with the wage offer and Kaka is anything but a good Christian when it comes to his wallet and his earnings.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 22 2013, 12:45 AM) *
Know something, I don't think we were ever getting Kaka.

I think Galliani humoured the idea and no more - we don't have the kind of money Kaka would want. He's on say about 200k. We can't afford 100k.

Sounds to me like Galliani wasn't willing to be reasonable with the wage offer and Kaka is anything but a good Christian when it comes to his wallet and his earnings.


Humored the idea? There were open negotiations, Kaká had agreed to reduce his wages, and Galliani met with Perez. It was far more than just "humoring" an idea.

Y'know, I'm really bummed. I was certain he was going to come this time around and that he was gonna give us a huge helping hand in acquiring that third place. Now we'll have to be satisfied with Europa League.
dst
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 22 2013, 12:02 AM) *
I'm not too disappointed because at this point I have zero expectations from our management.

So true. Honestly, there's nothing they can do that would disappoint me. Even if they sold the few good players we have left I still would not be surprised.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 22 2013, 02:09 AM) *
Now we'll have to be satisfied with Europa League.

And who says we're going to make that?
X-Offender
QUOTE (dst @ Jan 22 2013, 04:29 AM) *
And who says we're going to make that?


I predict we'll get 5th place.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 21 2013, 11:09 PM) *
Humored the idea? There were open negotiations, Kaká had agreed to reduce his wages, and Galliani met with Perez. It was far more than just "humoring" an idea.


I think you misunderstood. When I say 'humouring' it doesn't mean media soundbites. It means all the above but without Galliani really taking it properly seriously. I don't think he took it anywhere seriously enough that made it a realistic possibility.

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Y'know, I'm really bummed. I was certain he was going to come this time around and that he was gonna give us a huge helping hand in acquiring that third place. Now we'll have to be satisfied with Europa League.


Not sure why you're upset - Milan don't do marquee signings any more and literally haven't since signing an aging Ronaldinho.

This was predictable. Sad, but predictable. I allowed myself a little bit of hope but didn't really believe.

My subtle dig about him being a 'good Christian boy who'd allow a good enough wage drop' was my hint that he wouldn't accept a big enough reduction to make it even close to feasible.

Jesus doesn't pay for the upkeep of 500 Ferraris.

Or are you privy to what wage he was willing to go to?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 22 2013, 10:09 AM) *
I think you misunderstood. When I say 'humouring' it doesn't mean media soundbites. It means all the above but without Galliani really taking it properly seriously. I don't think he took it anywhere seriously enough that made it a realistic possibility.

I think conducting negotiations and traveling to Madrid is "properly serious". I get the disappointment, but let's be rational, I don't think Galliani is travelling around and speaking just to humor us or the media.


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Not sure why you're upset - Milan don't do marquee signings any more and literally haven't since signing an aging Ronaldinho.

Ibra?

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This was predictable. Sad, but predictable. I allowed myself a little bit of hope but didn't really believe.

My subtle dig about him being a 'good Christian boy who'd allow a good enough wage drop' was my hint that he wouldn't accept a big enough reduction to make it even close to feasible.

Jesus doesn't pay for the upkeep of 500 Ferraris.

Again, it doesn't necessarily have to do with Kaká. As usual, my tip goes on his dad and the whole bunch around him.

Or are you privy to what wage he was willing to go to?

Rossoneri7
As a tripartite agreement was not reached, we can not base this solely on Kaka, Madrid or Milan. As all three parties had to agree in order to effect the transfer.

We all are aware that Milan has problems in raising funds to make this transfer, as such a structure for payment via installments was the only means of initiating discussion on the transfer. However, we do not know for certain which party caused the deal to break. As Madrid want to recover a % of what they initially paid plus wages on the player.

Moreover, I do not feel it is right for us to direct assaults on Kaka, as he currently has a very lucrative contract on hand and loosing that privilege (as would be the case if I was in his shoes) to play for a half-decent Milan, is deemed stupid in plain English.
drucurl
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 22 2013, 04:09 AM) *
I think you misunderstood. When I say 'humouring' it doesn't mean media soundbites. It means all the above but without Galliani really taking it properly seriously. I don't think he took it anywhere seriously enough that made it a realistic possibility.



Not sure why you're upset - Milan don't do marquee signings any more and literally haven't since signing an aging Ronaldinho.

This was predictable. Sad, but predictable. I allowed myself a little bit of hope but didn't really believe.

My subtle dig about him being a 'good Christian boy who'd allow a good enough wage drop' was my hint that he wouldn't accept a big enough reduction to make it even close to feasible.

Jesus doesn't pay for the upkeep of 500 Ferraris.

Or are you privy to what wage he was willing to go to?

I suppose this sort of nonsense is tolerated here as well? dry.gif

Aside from the jab at the guy's faith (pretty sure if he was Muslim everyone would have duly STFU-ed about it), the whole post is just full of bitter idiotic vitriol

Kaka is playing for a genuine powerhouse and league contender. He has infinitely more chance winning the CL again with Madrid

In fact the ONLY advantage to HIM for coming to Milan at this present time is he'll get more playing time....and get better chances of his last World Cup call up.

But heyyy it's always cool to attack christians and others peaceful with their faith right? It's absolutely ludicrous that this guy was up in arms against me because of my lambasting the charlatan moron who pretends to coach the legendary Milan.
kurtsimonw
Danny made a factual comment, did he not? It's also only been 3 hours since he made that post. People have lives you know. No need to turn everything into an arguement.
drucurl
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 22 2013, 09:31 AM) *
Danny made a factual comment, did he not? It's also only been 3 hours since he made that post. People have lives you know. No need to turn everything into an arguement.
He said we haven't made a marquee signing since Ronaldinho....that's not a fact given we've gotten Ibra and Robinho both of whom came as highly rated superstars. Ibra for being Ibra and Robinho had captained Brazil in 2010.

He said that Kaka needed to upkeep 500 ferarris, aside from the obvious exaggeration, which would be utter trolling to comment on....Kaka is willing to lower his wage demands.....maybe not to the level of the legion of fodder players in our team but it's also absurd that a former golden ball winner and legend should be paid a pittance when guys like our current Robinho and Mexes earn $4M
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jan 22 2013, 02:53 PM) *
He said we haven't made a marquee signing since Ronaldinho....that's not a fact given we've gotten Ibra and Robinho both of whom came as highly rated superstars. Ibra for being Ibra and Robinho had captained Brazil in 2010.

Where did I say that was a fact. I'm not shocked you're arguing for the sake of it, again, though.
drucurl
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 22 2013, 10:08 AM) *
Where did I say that was a fact. I'm not shocked you're arguing for the sake of it, again, though.
I'm not shocked that you have no point to your post other than you using deceit as per usual to make me look like a trouble maker.
Which part of his post had facts?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 22 2013, 10:09 AM) *
I think you misunderstood. When I say 'humouring' it doesn't mean media soundbites. It means all the above but without Galliani really taking it properly seriously. I don't think he took it anywhere seriously enough that made it a realistic possibility.



Not sure why you're upset - Milan don't do marquee signings any more and literally haven't since signing an aging Ronaldinho.

This was predictable. Sad, but predictable. I allowed myself a little bit of hope but didn't really believe.

My subtle dig about him being a 'good Christian boy who'd allow a good enough wage drop' was my hint that he wouldn't accept a big enough reduction to make it even close to feasible.

Jesus doesn't pay for the upkeep of 500 Ferraris.

Or are you privy to what wage he was willing to go to?


Um, I don't think you realize how serious this negotiation was.

QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Jan 22 2013, 12:55 PM) *
As a tripartite agreement was not reached, we can not base this solely on Kaka, Madrid or Milan. As all three parties had to agree in order to effect the transfer.

We all are aware that Milan has problems in raising funds to make this transfer, as such a structure for payment via installments was the only means of initiating discussion on the transfer. However, we do not know for certain which party caused the deal to break. As Madrid want to recover a % of what they initially paid plus wages on the player.

Moreover, I do not feel it is right for us to direct assaults on Kaka, as he currently has a very lucrative contract on hand and loosing that privilege (as would be the case if I was in his shoes) to play for a half-decent Milan, is deemed stupid in plain English.


Actually, the Italian press has made it pretty clear that it was Perez the one who stopped everything. We had reached an agreement with Kaká for him to reduce his wages of 50%, and Galliani and Perez had discussed the idea of a 30-month loan, to which Perez had initially agreed. Then he talked yesterday with his financial advisors who didn't seem to like the idea, and bam, everything fell apart, again. Although, Mediaset suggests that it's not over yet.
Danny
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 22 2013, 02:35 PM) *
Um, I don't think you realize how serious this negotiation was.


Mainly because I don't believe a word Galliani says. He says black I will now see white.
Danny
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jan 22 2013, 12:23 PM) *
I suppose this sort of nonsense is tolerated here as well? dry.gif

Aside from the jab at the guy's faith (pretty sure if he was Muslim everyone would have duly STFU-ed about it), the whole post is just full of bitter idiotic vitriol

Kaka is playing for a genuine powerhouse and league contender. He has infinitely more chance winning the CL again with Madrid

In fact the ONLY advantage to HIM for coming to Milan at this present time is he'll get more playing time....and get better chances of his last World Cup call up.

But heyyy it's always cool to attack christians and others peaceful with their faith right? It's absolutely ludicrous that this guy was up in arms against me because of my lambasting the charlatan moron who pretends to coach the legendary Milan.


Hmmm, at what point did I call Kaka a name? At what point did I smear his character?

In fact, the simple fact you choose to see a factual comment about religion not paying a man's bills as a slur on his personal character shows you have an agenda on here.

Stop replying to me, as you have nothing to add on this forum I consider valuable to its content. You are now permanently blocked.

Good day.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 22 2013, 05:48 PM) *
Mainly because I don't believe a word Galliani says. He says black I will now see white.


It's not about what Galliani says, it's about what's going on. There are people watching and listening, you know.
Forza Milan!
QUOTE (Danny @ Jan 22 2013, 04:48 PM) *
Mainly because I don't believe a word Galliani says. He says black I will now see white.

Statements made during transfer seasons are likely to be mis-directions aimed at getting a better deal. Milan is not the only club that does this. But business people do not engage in negotiations unless they are serious. Stating that this was just for publicity (or whatever) seems a bit much to me. In fact, the statement from Galliani that the deal is off appears to be mis-direction, as the discussions (apparently) are continuing.
Danny
Man City have accused us in the past of bottling it over Kaka. As if we humoured the negotiations but didn't have the cajones to go all the way with it.

This is a reason I distrust all this - you're all trusting the media outlets to get it right about all this regardless of what Galliani says, but we know from the past you can't trust the media any more than Galliani.

Gazzeta Dello Sport claim Perez and Galliani are meeting regarding it and it's serious but what makes that so trustworthy?

Can anyone give me a quote from Perez to shut me up and prove these negotiations are serious?
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (drucurl @ Jan 22 2013, 03:35 PM) *
I'm not shocked that you have no point to your post other than you using deceit as per usual to make me look like a trouble maker.
Which part of his post had facts?

The part you whinged about. Jesus doesn't pay for the upkeep of Ferrari's. And yes, if you're not going to add to a debate and try and start an arguement with Danny, which you do on a consistant basis, then I will call you on it. Stop trying to be so politically correct all the time. There was nothing there to argue about, but you turned a tongue in cheek comment to some sort of bigotry.

Just give it a rest. Don't reply to me or Danny again as we have politely asked in the past and we will no longer reply to you, is that something you think you can manage?
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