Galliani is a liar, no doubt about it. But when he says I'm flying to Spain to negotiate Kaká, and when the Italian and Spanish press have been covering this story for days with numbers and facts, if you still think it's just a farce, then believe whatever you want. I'm not here to convince you or anything.

Alright, here's what I was thinking. Galatasaray signed Sneijder (28) for €7.5 million and will give him a yearly wage of €5 million, right? On the other hand, we have a useless dud in Robinho (29) who desperately wants to move back at Santos. He earns €4 million per year, and the Brazilian club offered us €7 million for him, to which we said no because we actually wanted €10 million. Now, I have been asking this question to myself: is Galliani a complete idiot?

We are desperate for a quality trequartista, Sneijder and his wife would have loved to stay in Milan, Robinho wants to leave - it all adds up! We'd be giving Robinho away for €7 million and sign Sneijder for €7.5 million, get rid of the Brazilian's wage and offer a nearly same amount to the Dutch player. Seriously, am I the only one who thinks we let an incredible opportunity slip from our hands? Not to mention Sneijder is NOT cup tied.

Instead, we're playing cat and mouse with Madrid for Kaká, who's older, less good, injury prone, and cup tied. Oh what the hell!

i highly doubt inter would have sold Sneijder to us for the same price or possibly at any price

After Clarence, and Andrea....and it looks that we might even have a case for Pazzo when it looked like we were getting the raw end I'd wager a guess that Printer would rather let him walk for free than sell him to us even for $8MillionWell if you want to get into semantics and debate literally ....Kaka doesn't have 500 ferarris either. It was an obvious exaggeration and it was also pejorative but as per usual you choose to be as disruptive as possible about it....how many times have you threatened me with ignoring now

Well. What you're saying is rational. But I think there's a catch. I think the fact that Sneijder picked Galatasaray indicates something fishy. Either he's at the end of his career or something else. Because why would someone like him want to go to Turkey?

And also, maybe he didn't want Milan - to make a direct switch to a town rival.

I think our board would have jumped to use this opportunity and get Sneijder, but something wasn't right.

I don't believe ANYTHING X-Off, my friend. It's folly to believe until it's proven and confirmed.

Until then, it's conjecture.

PS: could you quote the numbers and facts, because I've not seen any.

He just wanted a shitload of money, which no club was willing to offer him except Galatasaray.

Sneijder was eager and pushing for a move with us a few weeks ago, but Galliani said there are no open negotiations and Berlusconi said he won't come because he's too old ( ). So the idea evaporated within a couple of days.

As for Inter not wanting to sell him to us, I really don't think that's the case. They were so desperate to offload him, that if Sneijder had in fact reached an agreement with us, in the end he would have forced them sell him to no other club but us.

I don't think there's anything fishy there at all, just the complete incompetence of our management.

But it is proven that we are in fact very interested in signing Kaká. What more proof do you need?

And if you're looking for numbers (clearly not facts since you refuse to believe anything), here.

Danny, how can you say that you don't believe anything they say when you immediately acted as if it was legit when Galliani declared that talks have broken down?

Personally I'm 99.99% sure that talks are still on-going and we won't know anything until later in the month.

I am just like you, I don't believe ANYTHING Galliani says, thus, him saying that talks have broken down is just as much BS as anything else he says.

Transfer windows have become so ***** frustrating. I don't much bother anymore.

Haha, good observation.

No, all I said was I never truly believed we were getting Kaka - generalisation. I didn't say I believed we were in for him OR that talks had broken down.

Where did I specifically relate my comments to Galliani?

Nearly. But falls apart with semantics.

It's not that I refuse to believe anything, it's that I take nothing at face value. Maybe you do.

And unfortunately I don't speak Italian so the numbers there mean very little to me.

btw, can you elaborate on what I don't actually believe?

Never said he did. I just said the other thing is a fact, which it is. Wrong again.

C- must troll harder.

Why should I elaborate it when you've made it abundantly clear.

We've offered €8 million for Drogba.

Link

I think he meant elaborate as in explain in more detail the part Danny does not believe.

Hmh, that would be something. To land Drogba

Ain't gonna happen though.

He doesn't believe that we're serious about signing Kaká, what's there to elaborate?

This is pretty much how i am now. Life is much easier this way.

I dont believe anything unless i see.. ITS OFFICIAL- someone has signed for some club.

Well we will never really know the details to cement a notion that it is factual. Hence my vague post in that we can not blame any one party in particular.

With all due respect X-Off, but I don't rely on the media, especially given that the transfer window is still open and a lot of information is circulated. Many of the information about transfers are printed to sell and not to inform facts.

I think we both know Galliani well enough to even consider what he is saying as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth ... What Galliani is saying is directed to other clubs as a means of pressuring them.

We all know what Kaka earns in Madrid, and that he is not a regular 1st team player for them. Hence Madrid are keen to offload him. Galliani is pressing his counterpart to agree to his terms and his comments to the media are directed to Perez. Or could very well be to get the media off his back in order to finalize the deal without leaking information. And assumptions can go on and on about this or any other transfer for that matter, just that we should not take what Galliani is saying to the media as a direct statement to us fans.

+1.

10 transfers where AC Milan broke their word

This is why I find it hard to give a damn. there's no transparency, no seriousness, and no respect towards the fans anymore (if there ever was). no other big club works like this, it's just the wonderful AC Milan.

And yet people make the same mistake over and over again.

Don't forget the "official David Suazo" signing

Good to see a few folk understanding where I'm coming from.

I don't know what else to do but laugh at sh!t like this anymore.

I said "ACTED" not said outright.

Once the broken down news came through you were all "oh I never believed this, etc, etc" As if Galliani saying that talks have broken down is 100% fact, when in reality we know nothing of what's going on.

Like I said to you in my previous post. I don't believe Galliani AT ALL. But that means that I don't believe anything he says not what suites me. If Gallani a few weeks ago said we were going after Kaka and will do our best to sign him the only thing I believed is that we were talking with Real, because that becomes pretty obvious especially after what Kaka said, that's not something I have to decide whether to believe or not. On the part where he said he'll do his best to sign him though? ....

That means that he'll go into long drawn out talks with Perez, wanting everything for free, expecting Real to even pay part of his wages, etc, etc. Keep fans hoping so that they think he's actually doing something other then ruining this club and then on the final few days he'll say that he did all he could but the deal couldn't be done because of financial reasons, txes, wages and everything under the sun is blamed other then the fact that they do not want to spend any money on players. Because this is the low we've been reduced to. Going through co-own deals with Genoa, making loan deals with clubs and then backing out once we see the clause approaching because we do not want to pay for the player. It's just shameful behavior. Clubs seem to bristle whenever Milan is linked with their players.

And to continue with what I don't believe. I don't believe that talks are over either. Galliani is playing his stupid media games like usual. Do I believe that we'll get Kaka in the end? I don't know what will happen, most likely it will be another case of backing out at the last minute from Galliani


I think EVERYONE here is over Galliani and his stupid games no one believes anything that comes out of his mouth

This.

Look, I believe that we are indeed seriously interested in Kaká. There have been too many hints and declarations not just from Galliani, but Berlusconi, some of the players like El Shaarawy and Pazzini, and Kaká was in Milan a few days ago, had dinner with Robinho, and said that he'll do everything's possible to make this deal go through. Some of the most powerful and well-informed calciomercato experts in Italy like Gianluca Di Marzio, Carlo Laudisa etc. have been collecting and giving information on a daily basis on the matter. For me, that's more than enough to ascertain something as true or false. Whether we'll sign the player or not, well, that's a different problem. It probably won't happen due to us being super-cheap these days and wanting everything and everyone whether for peanuts or for free. Read han's post for a more detailed version.

Abate out, Balotelli in, is what I could live with.

It would be interesting to have Balotelli at Milan, that's for sure.

I couldn't leave with that. To me, Abate is one of the best fullbacks in the Serie A, and letting him go would be a disaster, especially if his alternative is De Sciglio, someone I have zero trust in.

+1

And Balotelli is not worth the fuss. If it was for a match-winner player, sure. But not him.

Why you have zero trust in De Sciglio? What he has shown for his age is quite impressive, or isn't it?


Balotelli has the potential to be our match-winner a whole lot of times.

I don't know. He's 20 years old. He has time to improve, lot's of. But he's not ready.

Sorry, couldn't resist. You sound like a cowboy from those old 60s and 70s films. And as far as Abate for Balotelli goes, I wouldn't sacrifice any player for that trouble maker. If Berlusconi (or that old hag Galliani) wanted to bring upon interesting times at Milan, then they should splash the cash.

Or you're wrong. That's also possible.

Every week. He's what we call a "Match of the Day player". He makes some great runs and scores the odd very good goal. But he spends most of every game having no effect on it at all. He's very overrated. Nowhere near good enough for Milan in my opinion.

Totally agree x-off.

How could anyone live with getting rid of Abate, who not only is one of the best in the leage in his position but also a product of our system for Mario Balotelli?

Balo is not Ibrahimovic. He won't win you games on his own, he's a CF, who aside from his on pitch contribution also brings in a whole lot of trouble. We don't need that, especially not at the expense of Abate. I understand you want to get rid of Abate to clear the spot for DS chu, but it's simply not a logical move


I think DS could be a very good CB. He just doesn't look like he can be a top FB. He's so hesitant in attack. You can clearly see in games where Abate is playng versus games where DS is playing what a hit we take in the attacking department without Abate's contribution. While in the game DS played at CB he made Acerbi look like the inexperianced kid playing out of position.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't he originally a CB in the youth teams?

But we may never have the opportunity to get Balotelli again. Top forwards are harder to get (certainly with our financial constraints) than a top RB also.

I'd rather have a team with Balo-Pazzini-SES with MDS at RB than the current lineup.

Let me assure you, should Balo come in, Pazzo would have to make way for him. There is no way all 3 could play when all 3 of those should be played close to the goal. Balo is definately no winger, and it would be a sin to play him there

And one other thing, Balo will ALWAYS be available, simply because he causes trouble where ever he goes. If he doesn't come now he'll come later, hopefully a little more mature and with a better head on his shoulders. Bringing in a volatile player like Balo into an already volatile and unstable environment is certainly not a good move imo. Add to that Balo is a Milan fan so he'll always want to come back to his home country to play for his childhood club.

But sacrificing Abate for him is just not right on any level. Give me one other RB who is at the same level as Abate who we can realistically get.

DS is to far away from being ready to say that we can simply sell Abate and not feel the hit we'll undoubtedly take.

Really? The past decade or so Milan was looking for a good fullback, while we usually always had at least one top attacker in our team.

Selling Abate would be a mistake, but just like Kaka, Ibra and Thiago, he is slowly but surely being pushed out the team. His agent is openly whoring him out to the highest bidder and Allegri refuses to play him for no good reason. I'm getting TIRED!!!!! ENOUGH! I like this team. I like the idea of Milan. Stop ruining it. You, the management helped build that idea. That strong and fair Milan we all came to love. For the love of God have some grace now. Know when your time is up. Look for alternative solutions for the betterment of the team.

Maybe Balo could turn out good for us. It's a big risk, but let's say that he might. Still, it wouldn't justify us selling Abate for it. We have Abate at right back and DS as a back up, but he can also cover that very weak LB position. If we sell Abate and DS gets injured We are F'ed. If we sell Abate and both DS and Constant get injured, then we are royally F'ed.

Abate is a youth team product
Abate is not on a high salary
Abate is young
Abate is a consistent performer
He is one of the only top level players we have. He is no Cafu, but he is quality in defense and decent going forward
He is arguably the best RB in the league
He is one of the fastest RB's around
He has plenty of experience for his age and has already proved himself against the World's best players
He is a national regular and of high value


There is no logic behind this move.

Especially when it comes to facing Milito.

Yeah he has been vulnerable against him.

Yeah totally spot on. Don't think he's nearly as good as you're making him out to be... But I wonder if management have ANY pride or shame left. Having to sell one of our loyal, but not so good youth products for someone who's possibly goin to be more trouble than he's worth.

Not to mention our pathetic defense

I was not trying to make Abate look better than he is. I was pointing out his pros. He has cons too. Here they are in my opinion:

He is injury prone
He is not effective enough offensively over the course of a season
He doesn't utilize his speed offensively, but more so tactically overall to cover ground which makes him a rather "dull" RB
His crossing is decent at best


But all of these considered, for the team that we are right now, he is NEEDED. We are missing star players and we need our good player to stay and at least help the team get by for now. Just like against Bologna.

What De Sciglio does, Abate does it 10x better. And besides, I agree with han, I see De Sciglio more as a CB than a RB. He's very, very weak when it comes to attacking.

Attacking-mindness can be learned. Remember that Abate was appalling when defending at first.

As for DS playing a central defender - I don't know, one match isn't sufficient to make such judgements.