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kurtsimonw
Going with our hair-based policy, I can only imagine that we're going to sign Neymar to play alongside Balo and El Sha and Hamsik to play behind them, right?
Jack Bauer
Zed.D
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 12:26 AM) *
Going with our hair-based policy, I can only imagine that we're going to sign Neymar to play alongside Balo and El Sha and Hamsik to play behind them, right?

I wouldn't complain!!
Jack Bauer
Fulham are close to signing Urby Emanuelson, according to Sky Italia.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Jan 29 2013, 10:36 PM) *
Fulham are close to signing Urby Emanuelson, according to Sky Italia.


Yup, was just about to post it. If we could only sell Robinho as well...
Jack Bauer
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 29 2013, 11:41 PM) *
Yup, was just about to post it. If we could only sell Robinho as well...

We still can, though probably for less than we hoped.

About Urby, it will be a loan at this point.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 29 2013, 10:04 PM) *
By the way, Balotelli has shirt #9 on the Milan Store. smile.gif

He can't take #9 since Pato had it. Will wear #45.
X-Offender
^ Yeah, I just posted that in the Balo thread.
Jack Bauer
Now we might sign another midfielder, Kucka and Poli are mentioned.

http://www.milannews.it/?action=read&idnotizia=102710
drucurl
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 29 2013, 03:56 PM) *
Going with our hair-based policy, I can only imagine that we're going to sign Neymar to play alongside Balo and El Sha and Hamsik to play behind them, right?

Mowhawk or GTFO cool.gif
Dracoris
What is the obsession with the AM? We don't use an AM anymore. We play a 4-3-3. We're not going to buy an AM. Kaka will play in the midfield 3 if he arrives. He'd be a political buy more than a techincal buy either way so position is a mute point.

Astori might be mediocre but so is the rest of our defense. He'd be a starter for us. And he's better than Mexes.

I like emmanuelson. Good bench player, wish he didn't get phased out. A better coach would have used him more appropriately.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jan 29 2013, 11:19 PM) *
What is the obsession with the AM? We don't use an AM anymore. We play a 4-3-3. We're not going to buy an AM. Kaka will play in the midfield 3 if he arrives. He'd be a political buy more than a techincal buy either way so position is a mute point.


Err, we play 4-3-3 with no real wingers. That's why most of us here want to go back to 4-3-1-2 with Balo and El Sha leading our attack.

QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jan 29 2013, 11:19 PM) *
Astori might be mediocre but so is the rest of our defense. He'd be a starter for us. And he's better than Mexes.


ohmy.gif

Astori isn't better than Bonera, and he's nowhere near Zapata and Mexes.
han2503
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jan 29 2013, 09:19 PM) *
What is the obsession with the AM? We don't use an AM anymore. We play a 4-3-3. We're not going to buy an AM. Kaka will play in the midfield 3 if he arrives. He'd be a political buy more than a techincal buy either way so position is a mute point.

Astori might be mediocre but so is the rest of our defense. He'd be a starter for us. And he's better than Mexes.

I like emmanuelson. Good bench player, wish he didn't get phased out. A better coach would have used him more appropriately.

Going by what you say. How will we play now with Balo in the picture?

The 4-3-3 does not work for us, we simply have no one in our current pick of attackers who can actually play well on the wing aside from Robinho who's become inept these days as well, and maybe Bojan and even then it's not a very comfortable position for him

We need an AM so that Allegri will finally go back to the diamond midfield. Which will allow us to get the best of our 2 strikers. Balo plays best as part of a front 2, and anyone can see that El Shaarawy is so far from being a winger it's not even funny.

To play a 4-3-3 effectively you need proper wide players, something we simply do not have. So now what? We force the 20m Balotelli out wide? Keep on playing El Shaa out wide when he would be 100% more effective closer to goal? Keep playing the clumsy Niang out wide? Just does not make anysense to persist with the 4-3-3.
Jack Bauer
Raiola: "Robinho will stay at Milan. Urby will be on loan at Fulham for the rest of the season and then he will return to Milan."
mishie
see Urby has joined Fulham on loan with no buy out option
Danny
QUOTE (mishie @ Jan 29 2013, 09:24 PM) *
see Urby has joined Fulham on loan with no buy out option


Cheers, didn't know about this one.

As for Mario, it's not ACTUALLY official. It still needs his signature and medical passed. ASSUMING these happen perfectly, yes, it will be a done deal.
d'Arc.LP
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 29 2013, 08:02 PM) *
I guess you must be very happy. wink.gif


Yes, yes I am smile.gif

Milan always get's who I want.
dst
QUOTE (d'Arc.LP @ Jan 29 2013, 09:37 PM) *
Milan always get's who I want.

Can you please want Messi and CR then?
Dracoris
Niang is 18. Lets calm the clumsy talk down, the kid is doing fantastic all things considered.

El Shaarawy is having a breakout season on the left side so I'm a little unsure about your point on that one.

Balotelli will be the main striker in a team that will depend on him....just like in the Euros. So yes, he should play in the middle. Pazzo, Binho, Bojan on the bench.

Shoot....why not play Robinho on the right? We should just sell that guy honestly.
Jack Bauer
Raiola offered Kasami (from Fulham) to Milan.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jan 30 2013, 01:42 AM) *
Niang is 18. Lets calm the clumsy talk down, the kid is doing fantastic all things considered.

El Shaarawy is having a breakout season on the left side so I'm a little unsure about your point on that one.

Balotelli will be the main striker in a team that will depend on him....just like in the Euros. So yes, he should play in the middle. Pazzo, Binho, Bojan on the bench.

Shoot....why not play Robinho on the right? We should just sell that guy honestly.


Nope, El Shaarawy is being wasted on the left. Anyone can see that he's not a winger. His dribbling is clumsy and he doesn't have that fluidity and propensity that a winger does. His finishing, however, is excellent. That combined with his pace makes him a very deadly striker. Same argument, more or less, for Niang.
Jack Bauer
According to Sky, Both Genoa and Sampdoria have rejected Milan in the attempt of signing Kucka and Poli.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 30 2013, 01:50 AM) *
Nope, El Shaarawy is being wasted on the left. Anyone can see that he's not a winger. His dribbling is clumsy and he doesn't have that fluidity and propensity that a winger does. His finishing, however, is excellent. That combined with his pace makes him a very deadly striker. Same argument, more or less, for Niang.

Yep, spot on.
acid911
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 30 2013, 04:50 AM) *
Nope, El Shaarawy is being wasted on the left. Anyone can see that he's not a winger. His dribbling is clumsy and he doesn't have that fluidity and propensity that a winger does. His finishing, however, is excellent. That combined with his pace makes him a very deadly striker. Same argument, more or less, for Niang.

Same argument was more or less of Pato. When he played, that is. sleep.gif But an awful lot of people (fans and media) were cool with the idea. Even Huntelaar was played at the wings, oh my!
Fillipo Simone
Well, that's simply up to Allegri's and Leonardo's amateurism. Every coach has his bugs, Ancelotti tried playing Ambrosini as a CB and a CF, but he realized it didn't work and gave up.

How Leonardo wasted Huntelaar at the wing was just painful to watch. Same goes with Allegri...it has to do with his vision of working/defending attackers who literary present "DM-wingers" in our system and their basic task is to work hard, recuperate as many balls as possible.
kurtsimonw
I think Leonardo was trying to have his team play like Zeman does, but it just doesn't work with top sides. The wide forwards aren't wingers, they're 'inside forwards' and the width is meant to come from full backs. But it was tactical naivety to think just any forward can play there. Huntelaar has to be played down the middle and only the middle.

Sometimes as a coach you just have to do things the most obvious way and not try to be some revolutionary.
X-Offender
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 30 2013, 02:51 AM) *
Same argument was more or less of Pato. When he played, that is. sleep.gif But an awful lot of people (fans and media) were cool with the idea. Even Huntelaar was played at the wings, oh my!


Pato actually was fantastic at dribbling and getting past several opponents, a trait he lost due to his incurring injuries. Can't say the same about El Shaarawy.
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 30 2013, 05:56 AM) *
Well, that's simply up to Allegri's and Leonardo's amateurism. Every coach has his bugs, Ancelotti tried playing Ambrosini as a CB and a CF, but he realized it didn't work and gave up.

Sign of an experienced coach. wink.gif Amateurism, aye, for Allegri and Leonardo. Allegri in particular seeing how he has more of a coaching experience than Leonardo, small clubs and all.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 06:03 AM) *
Huntelaar has to be played down the middle and only the middle.

Front middle, that is. unsure.gif Huntelaar's strongest skill is his lethal finishing inside the box.

QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 06:03 AM) *
Sometimes as a coach you just have to do things the most obvious way and not try to be some revolutionary.

So very true. sad.gif If as a coach you are not playing the players to their advantage, you are only putting the whole team at a disadvantage. There is place for radical ideas every once in a while, yes, but only as a test. If it works stick with it, if not, then don't be a stubborn salmon and do the obvious.

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 30 2013, 06:04 AM) *
Pato actually was fantastic at dribbling and getting past several opponents, a trait he lost due to his incurring injuries. Can't say the same about El Shaarawy.

Agreed, Shaarawy is leagues behind in this regard. smile.gif But a young player like Pato, even Shaarawy needs a calming influence up top, not a coach who himself is yet to find his feet. There are several coaches that know how to harness the best in young players, sadly our last couple (or few if you include Carlo) do not.

But there were times when I wanted Pato to be our pure CF, receive the ball and score goals. Nothing else.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 30 2013, 02:12 AM) *
Front middle, that is. unsure.gif Huntelaar's strongest skill is his lethal finishing inside the box.

Yeah, that's what I mean when I say 'down the middl'e. Maybe that's an English phrase for a striker? Not sure. Either way, yes, as a centre forward.
acid911
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 06:16 AM) *
Yeah, that's what I mean when I say 'down the middl'e. Maybe that's an English phrase for a striker? Not sure. Either way, yes, as a centre forward.

Oh, okay, I may have overlooked the down part. laugh.gif I thought down the middle meant in the middle. As a vanilla forward, not end striker like Pazzini or Inzaghi. But yeah, that was his position there. Some players are lazy when it comes to positions, this guy was one of the few unlucky ones here at Milan.

Fingers crossed thing settle a bit now with our two young main attackers - Shaarawy and Balotelli.
milanbuf88
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 29 2013, 09:12 PM) *
Agreed, Shaarawy is leagues behind in this regard. smile.gif But a young player like Pato, even Shaarawy needs a calming influence up top, not a coach who himself is yet to find his feet. There are several coaches that know how to harness the best in young players, sadly our last couple (or few if you include Carlo) do not.

But there were times when I wanted Pato to be our pure CF, receive the ball and score goals. Nothing else.


I don't understand how you could possibly say that Allegri isn't good with young players. El Shaarawy, De Sciglio, and Niang have had excellent or good seasons so far and El Shaarawy has mentioned multiple times that Allegri has been a positive influence. I know Allegri is a figure that people love to hate but the evidence simply doesn't justify it.
acid911
He did because he had to. unsure.gif I mean, if a club brings in a multi-million youngsters like Shaarawy, the coach has no choice but to play. De Sciglio I give to him, Allegri really did settle him up for the job. But then again, playing someone is one thing, instilling confidence and bring the best in a youngster is another.

And that was what I was getting it. This is a young Milan, a radically different one from past seasons, after all.
milanbuf88
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 29 2013, 09:56 PM) *
He did because he had to. unsure.gif I mean, if a club brings in a multi-million youngsters like Shaarawy, the coach has no choice but to play. De Sciglio I give to him, Allegri really did settle him up for the job. But then again, playing someone is one thing, instilling confidence and bring the best in a youngster is another.

And that was what I was getting it. This is a young Milan, a radically different one from past seasons, after all.


I don't buy that. He could easily play Robinho instead. If your theory on money talking was correct wouldn't Robinho start every game? We payed a ton for him and he's one of our highest earners. Again, El Shaarawy has stated multiple times that Allegri has been instrumental by having confidence in him. Do you really think Allegri hasn't been getting the best out of him? Before the year any one of us would be ecstatic with El Shaarawy scoring 15 over an entire year. I don't like this tendency to blame Allegri for everything that goes wrong and say that anything that goes well happens in spite of him. You can't have it both ways.
kurtsimonw
I've got bored of arguing that sort of stuff, peoples minds are made up before something has even happened it seems.
Bluesummers
Reading inter forums for laughs and came across something.

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it is a good move for milan, let me give them the credit for having a stable locker room, remember they dealt with ibra, cassano, robinho and boateng which all know for their temper, this move is scary to be honest. we all made fun of them when the season kicked off, look at us now they are just behind by 3 points, having collected the most points in the last 10 league games, only barca are ahead of them in the 5 top leagues. about us it is just miserable i honestly strama would turn things around but we only play good when we are playing big teams which is not good even if your objectives are just to qualify for UCL. i dont think paulinho will solve all our problem, he is a good b2b with scoring abilities, i think we dont have a proper plan, i hail the stadium issue but its not gonna be ready until 2018. until then what do we do? stay like this? this is a total heart break time for us fans.

juventus already have a plan, signing dozens of talented youngsters and also looking for llorente/jovetic in the summer. they have money and they got the will to spend.
roma are going to be a hell of a team having almost the best breed of youngsters and its only the 2nd year of the project
fiorentina too, they have a very good young squad and they are not stopping they are investing heavily.
napoli are going to sell cavani in the summer and buy like 5 good players with his price which will add alot of needed quality to the squad, i dont really get it how can napoli offer 30 millions for elsharawy.

and now our eternal rivals milan, their plans are coming together, they took saponara and the kid from brescia who is gonna be real big hit and they are monitoring several kids from holland and now they are after poli in winter and there are talks that they will get obiang for pazzini plus cash in summer. they reduced their wage bill to half this season and now they will dumb few players in summer like robinho and mexes in summer as well, they have alot of bargain chips which is essential if you wanna play local players and pay less money.

what do we have for god sake?? we were celebrating like crazy because we got cassano . ok let us look at cassano. a 30 years unmotivated player who is always over weight and always not fit. is he really gonna serve us more than a couple of years ?
i dont think so. we just lost sneijder and coutinho and we are all praying that we get paulinho who is a very good player but really he is another box2box, we have alot of doubles in our squad and strama is totally losing it most of the time.



It's not all gloom and doom guys wink.gif
Bluesummers
So Juve really tried to sign him. They called raiola and asked but balo said he will only move to Milan or stay at city. No other options. Forza balo.

Welcome to the Mohawk era everyone or African era
han2503
QUOTE (Dracoris @ Jan 29 2013, 11:42 PM) *
Niang is 18. Lets calm the clumsy talk down, the kid is doing fantastic all things considered.

El Shaarawy is having a breakout season on the left side so I'm a little unsure about your point on that one.

Balotelli will be the main striker in a team that will depend on him....just like in the Euros. So yes, he should play in the middle. Pazzo, Binho, Bojan on the bench.

Shoot....why not play Robinho on the right? We should just sell that guy honestly.

You can easily tell when a player has IT. That little something that sets him apart from the rest, even when he's still 18. Pato for example had it in abbundance. Niang is mostly a huff and puff player which is why Allegri likes him. But Bojan would be a MUCH better fit on the wing, at least he can actually dribble the ball and make good passing moves to create space. niang is a pure CF, all he does on that wing is run straight and smash the same type of cross over and over.

SES would have scored even more goals had he been played as part of a 2 man attacking like, simply because he's not a winger, and playing him out wide limits him a lot because he cannot do the things required from someone playing out wide, sure he's quick, but what's the use of that when he can't get past even the first marker?

Oh so ou're proposing to keep Niang on that right wing??? How does that even make any sense to you, I really don't understand how you could be ok with that. Niang should be a substitute for Pazzini, but now with Balo in the picture neither he, nor Pazzini should be on the pitch. And if we really are to keep playing with 3 upfront, then you simply have to play at least a player who is adapt at playing on the wing, Bojan or Robinho being the only options. As for your last question, I'd personally prefer Bojan as Robinho has simply slumped to new lows, we need to get rid of him ASAP. His mind is no longer in Milan, it's already in Brazil

QUOTE (X-Offender @ Jan 29 2013, 11:50 PM) *
Nope, El Shaarawy is being wasted on the left. Anyone can see that he's not a winger. His dribbling is clumsy and he doesn't have that fluidity and propensity that a winger does. His finishing, however, is excellent. That combined with his pace makes him a very deadly striker. Same argument, more or less, for Niang.

This!

QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 30 2013, 12:51 AM) *
Same argument was more or less of Pato. When he played, that is. sleep.gif But an awful lot of people (fans and media) were cool with the idea. Even Huntelaar was played at the wings, oh my!

Pato was super fast and a really great dribbler before the fitness guys started messing about with his build and started to bulk him up. Then came the plague of injuries.

But Pato could play on the wing back then with relative ease. The Huntelaar thing was JUST as appaling as the Niang/Prince thing with Allegri

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Jan 30 2013, 12:56 AM) *
Well, that's simply up to Allegri's and Leonardo's amateurism. Every coach has his bugs, Ancelotti tried playing Ambrosini as a CB and a CF, but he realized it didn't work and gave up.

How Leonardo wasted Huntelaar at the wing was just painful to watch. Same goes with Allegri...it has to do with his vision of working/defending attackers who literary present "DM-wingers" in our system and their basic task is to work hard, recuperate as many balls as possible.

Agreed

QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Jan 30 2013, 02:08 AM) *
I don't buy that. He could easily play Robinho instead. If your theory on money talking was correct wouldn't Robinho start every game? We payed a ton for him and he's one of our highest earners. Again, El Shaarawy has stated multiple times that Allegri has been instrumental by having confidence in him. Do you really think Allegri hasn't been getting the best out of him? Before the year any one of us would be ecstatic with El Shaarawy scoring 15 over an entire year. I don't like this tendency to blame Allegri for everything that goes wrong and say that anything that goes well happens in spite of him. You can't have it both ways.

Oh come on!!!

Giving someone credit when he had no choice in the matter just does not hold any weight

Do you think that if Ibra stayed we'd even be talking about SES? Was he encouraged to play last season when our forward line had more experianced and better players? It's ridiculous to assume that Allegri is playing these players you mentioned for any other reason then being desperate.

Robinho first got injured for a while, then came back and now he's barely a player anymore. and by the time Robinho recovered from that first injury SES had already cemented his place by his own merit, Allegri couldn't have benched him even if he wanted to.
acid911
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 30 2013, 02:16 PM) *
Oh come on!!!

Giving someone credit when he had no choice in the matter just does not hold any weight

Do you think that if Ibra stayed we'd even be talking about SES? Was he encouraged to play last season when our forward line had more experianced and better players? It's ridiculous to assume that Allegri is playing these players you mentioned for any other reason then being desperate.

Robinho first got injured for a while, then came back and now he's barely a player anymore. and by the time Robinho recovered from that first injury SES had already cemented his place by his own merit, Allegri couldn't have benched him even if he wanted to.

Thank you! cry.gif I was feeling lazy and thought I'd reply later, but you saved me the typing. I am eternally grateful, I really am. tongue.gif But jokes aside, Allegri is one of the luckiest coaches around, the way he got a team of Ibra and Silva. All he had to do was show up and win the league. Last season's loss still stings bad, though.

But at the end of the day, he has good points and bad, all coaches do. But Allegri for my money is just an average coach. Not a Messiah, not quite a villain, either. Average at coaching, worse at reacting, and downright idiotic man manager. Still, we could do worse. If he goes at the end of the season, I won't shed a tear.

If he stays, it will not be the end of the world by any stretch of the imagination. Only a taste of his own medicine.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Jan 30 2013, 03:41 AM) *
I don't understand how you could possibly say that Allegri isn't good with young players. El Shaarawy, De Sciglio, and Niang have had excellent or good seasons so far and El Shaarawy has mentioned multiple times that Allegri has been a positive influence. I know Allegri is a figure that people love to hate but the evidence simply doesn't justify it.

Niang has a excellent or good season? He's played what, 4-5 matches so far? Scored one Coppa goal and made one assist? Hardly enough for me to call it good. De Sciglio is a walking oscillation. And what, 3 players present the final evidence?

Why would Allegri field Robinho? Robinho is utterly useless and incapable of playing even "good". You guys tend to label coaches like they are "youth-friendly" or "youth-unfriendly", but most of the coaches I know look for players and don't mind their age: if a player is playing good and does the work you want him to do, he'll be played again, no matter if he is 18 or 88.
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (acid911 @ Jan 30 2013, 10:31 AM) *
But jokes aside, Allegri is one of the luckiest coaches around

Yeah, must be great having no say in your best 2 players being sold and others leaving without even having them properly replaced. If we're going by "best team should win" then Inter would've won it 10/11 and Juve 11/12. Didn't happen though.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 02:08 PM) *
Yeah, must be great having no say in your best 2 players being sold and others leaving without even having them properly replaced. If we're going by "best team should win" then Inter would've won it 10/11 and Juve 11/12. Didn't happen though.

You underrating this team constantly to make Allegri look good is too funny at times. The Scudetto last season was ours to lose as we were the best squad in the league, ahead of Juve (even though you like to say that that is not the case)

As for having no say. No coach in Serie A ever has a say when it's time to make purchases and the specific players. All the coaches do is point out to the management what players they wish to have included in their squad and the big wigs decide the rest
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 30 2013, 03:35 PM) *
You underrating this team constantly to make Allegri look good is too funny at times. The Scudetto last season was ours to lose as we were the best squad in the league, ahead of Juve (even though you like to say that that is not the case)

As for having no say. No coach in Serie A ever has a say when it's time to make purchases and the specific players. All the coaches do is point out to the management what players they wish to have included in their squad and the big wigs decide the rest

Juve had the best overall squad last season. Think that's pretty evident given how they lost 1 of 40+ games. The previous season Inter pretty clearly had the best squad, they weren't the first ever treble winners for nothing.

Oh, I know that's the case. and yet people still blame Allegri regarding transfers.
X-Offender
The Brazilian mercato window doesn't close until March, so there's the possibility that Robinho might be sold until then.
kurtsimonw
Good news.
Danny
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 02:11 PM) *
Juve had the best overall squad last season. Think that's pretty evident given how they lost 1 of 40+ games. The previous season Inter pretty clearly had the best squad, they weren't the first ever treble winners for nothing.

Oh, I know that's the case. and yet people still blame Allegri regarding transfers.


We threw it away Kurt, haven't you heard? Juve didn't win it!

One flaw of some folk on this forum is whoever wins the league, in all the seasons I've been on here, is immediately discredited for the rest being rubbish.

I wouldn't be overly bothered by this but it included us!

End of the day whoever wins the league deserved it.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 03:11 PM) *
Juve had the best overall squad last season. Think that's pretty evident given how they lost 1 of 40+ games. The previous season Inter pretty clearly had the best squad, they weren't the first ever treble winners for nothing.

Oh, I know that's the case. and yet people still blame Allegri regarding transfers.

Are you serious about them having the best overall squad??? How can you really believe this?! Juve had a good first 11 of players, their attacking line being particularly average. Their strength was in their collective fighting spirit, not in their personnel.

So you think a first 11 of Buffon, Bonucci, Barzagli, Chiellini, Lichtsteiner, De Ceglie, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, Vucinic, Matri

is better than a first 11 of Abbiati, Abate, Nesta, Thiago, Antonini, VB, Nocerino, Seedorf, Prince, Ibra, Robinho

???

Add to that we had more quality to pick from on the bench then Juve did. The only clear advantage they had was in the goalkeeper area and a slight one in midfield as their trio is more dynamic. But how can you say that Conte had a better overall squad to pick from? That's just pure underrating of our squad to make Allegri look good. When half our squad was out injured Allegri was still able to field a strong side on most occasions, that's how strong our squad was last season

And your stats in relation to which squad is the best makes no sense. Juve have a much better overall squad this season and an even more improved first 11 aside from the striker problem, and they've lost games. Their sheer dogged determination is what took them to that Scudetto, not a superior squad to what Allegri had at his disposal.

Also, let's not even get into the Inter debate. Mourinho left a squad who lost all their fight after that treble win. An older squad, with zero motivation playing for a coach that they did not want.

Just the fact that he had a one man winning machine in Ibra is enough to settle the debate
Fillipo Simone
Saved me a lot of typing han wink.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 30 2013, 05:35 PM) *
Are you serious about them having the best overall squad??? How can you really believe this?! Juve had a good first 11 of players, their attacking line being particularly average. Their strength was in their collective fighting spirit, not in their personnel.

So you think a first 11 of Buffon, Bonucci, Barzagli, Chiellini, Lichtsteiner, De Ceglie, Pirlo, Vidal, Marchisio, Vucinic, Matri

is better than a first 11 of Abbiati, Abate, Nesta, Thiago, Antonini, VB, Nocerino, Seedorf, Prince, Ibra, Robinho

???

Add to that we had more quality to pick from on the bench then Juve did. The only clear advantage they had was in the goalkeeper area and a slight one in midfield as their trio is more dynamic. But how can you say that Conte had a better overall squad to pick from? That's just pure underrating of our squad to make Allegri look good. When half our squad was out injured Allegri was still able to field a strong side on most occasions, that's how strong our squad was last season

And your stats in relation to which squad is the best makes no sense. Juve have a much better overall squad this season and an even more improved first 11 aside from the striker problem, and they've lost games. Their sheer dogged determination is what took them to that Scudetto, not a superior squad to what Allegri had at his disposal.

Also, let's not even get into the Inter debate. Mourinho left a squad who lost all their fight after that treble win. An older squad, with zero motivation playing for a coach that they did not want.

Just the fact that he had a one man winning machine in Ibra is enough to settle the debate

Don't think I could possibly disagree more. Last time had the best squad in Serie A was when Sheva was still here.
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 07:14 PM) *
Don't think I could possibly disagree more. Last time had the best squad in Serie A was when Sheva was still here.

Really? So Ancelotti couldn't possibly at fault for loosing so many scudetto's on his own, right?
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Jan 30 2013, 05:14 PM) *
Don't think I could possibly disagree more. Last time had the best squad in Serie A was when Sheva was still here.

You said WHAT now?

When Sheva was still in the squad Juve had an amazing squad of players as well. What you're saying is VERY debatable unlike this case when we had a very clear advantage in quality and star players

I've always agreed with you when you said that Carlo should have done more with the squad he had at his disposal, because you are 100% correct in that domestically Carlo should have won more. But your double standards in this case astound me to no end.

So Allegri is the poor poor man facing the almighty Juve with their unstopabble squad of mostly average players, but Carlo should have done more when Juve had a squad filled to the brim with stars from front to back. How does this make any sense to you whatsoever?
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (han2503 @ Jan 30 2013, 06:52 PM) *
So Allegri is the poor poor man facing the almighty Juve with their unstopabble squad of mostly average players, but Carlo should have done more when Juve had a squad filled to the brim with stars from front to back. How does this make any sense to you whatsoever?

I didn't say any of this, which is why I'm stopping at "I couldn't disagree with you more".
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