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Strootman to United rumours are for £17m and he wants to go there. We can't match price/wages/ambition.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 19 2012, 06:19 PM) 
Strootman to United rumours are for £17m and he wants to go there. We can't match price/wages/ambition.
Rumors are rumors. We don't know which ones are true.
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Galliani: "If we'll sign Pastore? No, because we have already asked PSG and they won't sell him."
Let's go and ask Barca and Madrid if they'll sell Messi and Ronaldo too. Such a fake show of intent.
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Galliani: "We're all set numerically, so we won't sign any players for the defence or the midfield in January."
I wonder which defenders/midfielders we're signing in Jan then.
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Galliani: "If one player leaves the club, then we won't buy anyone. If two players leave, then we will sign one player."
Both Binho and Pato to leave then hopefully.
Galliani sounds like an idiot when he makes such statements because everyone and their grandmothers know he's lying through his teeth.
Yeah. Why say anything? If you're telling the truth, fine. But lying over and over just makes him look stupid and people dislike him as a result.
PSV director: "Strootman is definitely not leaving in January and Milan haven't contacted us for him".
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Galliani: "We're not interested in Chichires".
Galliani: "has anyone made an offer for Pato? yes"
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 19 2012, 03:31 PM)
This guy? Armero is one of the best fullbacks in Italy, not just some random dude. I couldn't care less about Valotti.
Exactly
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 19 2012, 03:42 PM)
By the way, what's the point in a direct swap between Pato and Paulinho when we could just get the €15 million and use those money to purchase Strootman instead.
Ahh, just media inventions.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Dec 19 2012, 03:43 PM)
He's good, but not that good. This kid is very talented, he'll be worth way more than Armero by the time hes 26.
Not "that" good? How do you know? How do you know Valoti is any good? I'm through with all these fabulous players we have in our primavera. I remember people here speaking about Di Gennaro, Calvano, Donadel, Marzorati, Palibrk, etc. being potentially great. Where are they now?
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 19 2012, 10:15 PM)
Galliani: "We're not interested in Chichires".
So, we're gonna get him, right?
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 19 2012, 06:18 PM)
Not "that" good? How do you know? How do you know Valoti is any good? I'm through with all these fabulous players we have in our primavera. I remember people here speaking about Di Gennaro, Calvano, Donadel, Marzorati, Palibrk, etc. being potentially great. Where are they now?
Because everyone at our club has spoken highly of him. He's considered in high regard with Galliani.
Its different with the players you mentioned. De Scigilio could have easily been a part of that list too, its all about oppurtunity. Could you say that matri, borriello, astori and others who have come out of are academy are nobodys?
During Carlo's tenure we lost a lot of good youth cuz he wouldn't give them a chance. If we had a balanced approach, our academy would have gotten a lot more recognition then it had.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 19 2012, 07:50 AM)
Only that Strootman is a DM, whilst Paulinho is more of a CM/AM. And much better? I highly doubt it.
I think you overrate strootman.
He's good for his age, a talented DM but he's not a de rossi.
Paulinho is a more effective player, he can attack defend, create. He's like gerrard, a good box to box mid. Something we def need more than just a straight up grunt.
We have flamini, ambrosini, strasser and muntari. How many more do you want in this position?
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Dec 20 2012, 02:55 AM)
Because everyone at our club has spoken highly of him. He's considered in high regard with Galliani.
Its different with the players you mentioned. De Scigilio could have easily been a part of that list too, its all about oppurtunity. Could you say that matri, borriello, astori and others who have come out of are academy are nobodys?
During Carlo's tenure we lost a lot of good youth cuz he wouldn't give them a chance. If we had a balanced approach, our academy would have gotten a lot more recognition then it had.
Its different with the players you mentioned. De Scigilio could have easily been a part of that list too, its all about oppurtunity. Could you say that matri, borriello, astori and others who have come out of are academy are nobodys?
During Carlo's tenure we lost a lot of good youth cuz he wouldn't give them a chance. If we had a balanced approach, our academy would have gotten a lot more recognition then it had.
Naah, I don't buy in that story. We lost a lot of youth? I believe that if a player is good he'll prove himself, no matter if it is with Milan or Ternana. Who did we exactly lose? A mediocre defender like Astori? Or a striker like Matri who's no what exactly? I don't know. Not one of those players turn out to be good in any way.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Dec 20 2012, 02:59 AM)
I think you overrate strootman.
He's good for his age, a talented DM but he's not a de rossi.
Paulinho is a more effective player, he can attack defend, create. He's like gerrard, a good box to box mid. Something we def need more than just a straight up grunt.
We have flamini, ambrosini, strasser and muntari. How many more do you want in this position?
He's good for his age, a talented DM but he's not a de rossi.
Paulinho is a more effective player, he can attack defend, create. He's like gerrard, a good box to box mid. Something we def need more than just a straight up grunt.
We have flamini, ambrosini, strasser and muntari. How many more do you want in this position?
We don't have a reliable DM now that De Jong's injured. We can't just rely on Ambro, Muntari and Strasser. At least with Strootman you know what you're getting: a quality prospect that could solve our problems for the next 4-5 years in that department. And no, I'm not overrating him. Based on what we've got, he'd be a definite upgrade.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 20 2012, 03:14 AM)
Naah, I don't buy in that story. We lost a lot of youth? I believe that if a player is good he'll prove himself, no matter if it is with Milan or Ternana. Who did we exactly lose? A mediocre defender like Astori? Or a striker like Matri who's no what exactly? I don't know. Not one of those players turn out to be good in any way.
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QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 20 2012, 04:14 AM)
Naah, I don't buy in that story. We lost a lot of youth? I believe that if a player is good he'll prove himself, no matter if it is with Milan or Ternana. Who did we exactly lose? A mediocre defender like Astori? Or a striker like Matri who's no what exactly? I don't know. Not one of those players turn out to be good in any way.
Yeah I don't buy it either ... Our policy was never aimed at developing youth prospects, we bought established players, stars and experience. In recent years, however, and in preparation for the inevitable, that all changed.
@ the youth comment. yeah they're not good thats why Matri is worth 15m and so is Astori. Because they're not good enough its that there not playing for us, it has nothing to do with their current market value and our lack of finances.
Our policy in recent years has been stupid and unbalanced. You cannot go on buying players forever without having a consequences. It happens to everyone and we are no different, sheva, kaka, silva, ibra paid the ultimate price for our stupid policies.
At some point there has to be a balance between experience and youth, if you wanna buy all 25 players on your roster you wont last long as a football club.
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@kevin strootman,
I'm all for getting kevin, i'm not opposed to it. What i'm saying is that if we are on a limited budget why are we enforcing positions like LB with armero or DM with strootman when we lack in critical areas like a creative midfielder.
I would rather try and get someone like paulinho than strootman because at least paulinho can contribute to the attacking department, where as strootman will just be an anchor.
Right now i'd rather give strasser a chance. Realistically were not gonna do f*ck all in champions league anyways and strasser is more than good enough for serie A. Better than spending 10-15m when De jong is 27 and will be back for next season.
Our policy in recent years has been stupid and unbalanced. You cannot go on buying players forever without having a consequences. It happens to everyone and we are no different, sheva, kaka, silva, ibra paid the ultimate price for our stupid policies.
At some point there has to be a balance between experience and youth, if you wanna buy all 25 players on your roster you wont last long as a football club.
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@kevin strootman,
I'm all for getting kevin, i'm not opposed to it. What i'm saying is that if we are on a limited budget why are we enforcing positions like LB with armero or DM with strootman when we lack in critical areas like a creative midfielder.
I would rather try and get someone like paulinho than strootman because at least paulinho can contribute to the attacking department, where as strootman will just be an anchor.
Right now i'd rather give strasser a chance. Realistically were not gonna do f*ck all in champions league anyways and strasser is more than good enough for serie A. Better than spending 10-15m when De jong is 27 and will be back for next season.
News:
A touch of class from De jong. I really like him
-Andrelecht president: Lucas Biglia? There have been no requests made for him. If anyone wants him, it will cost them 10m euros.
-Pato's Agent: "Is there a deal going on with Corinthians? Yes there is and we hope to conclude it soon."
"Why Corinthians? Who wouldn't want Corinthians? They are two times world champions. Pato is a great admirer of the club and has great respect the technical director Tite."
Corinthians Manager: "Who said we offered 15m euros for Pato? Haha I wasn't aware that we were so rich. For now lets enjoy the celebrations of the CWC and then we'll see..."
The deal will be a permanent transfer, not co-own or loan. Deal will be around 15m euros. Galliani is set to speak with them next week and an official move could be made in the first week of January.
Galliani: "We are delighted to have renewed the contract of Mbaye on his birthday. We wish him a long and successful career the Milan shirt. "
(touch of class from everyone at the club, they all seem to love this kid. I'm so glad we bought him, he's gonna be amazing in a couple years.)
-Internacional, athletico meneiro have joined in the race for Robinho. As it currently stands flamengo, santos and those 2 mentioned are all wanting his signature.
Santos is in lead as Robinho wants to head to his home club.
In order to reach a conclusion faster Santos have changed their offer of 6m to 7.5m euros. Galliani wants 10m but could settle for 9m for the brazillian.
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-Juventus are close to signing Drogba.
-Anzhi target sneijder
-Real madrid has said that it will not sell ronaldo unless someone activates his release clause of a 1 billion euros.
-chelsea are hunting down falcao.
mn/tmw
A touch of class from De jong. I really like him
-Andrelecht president: Lucas Biglia? There have been no requests made for him. If anyone wants him, it will cost them 10m euros.
-Pato's Agent: "Is there a deal going on with Corinthians? Yes there is and we hope to conclude it soon."
"Why Corinthians? Who wouldn't want Corinthians? They are two times world champions. Pato is a great admirer of the club and has great respect the technical director Tite."
Corinthians Manager: "Who said we offered 15m euros for Pato? Haha I wasn't aware that we were so rich. For now lets enjoy the celebrations of the CWC and then we'll see..."
The deal will be a permanent transfer, not co-own or loan. Deal will be around 15m euros. Galliani is set to speak with them next week and an official move could be made in the first week of January.
Galliani: "We are delighted to have renewed the contract of Mbaye on his birthday. We wish him a long and successful career the Milan shirt. "
(touch of class from everyone at the club, they all seem to love this kid. I'm so glad we bought him, he's gonna be amazing in a couple years.)
-Internacional, athletico meneiro have joined in the race for Robinho. As it currently stands flamengo, santos and those 2 mentioned are all wanting his signature.
Santos is in lead as Robinho wants to head to his home club.
In order to reach a conclusion faster Santos have changed their offer of 6m to 7.5m euros. Galliani wants 10m but could settle for 9m for the brazillian.
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-Juventus are close to signing Drogba.
-Anzhi target sneijder
-Real madrid has said that it will not sell ronaldo unless someone activates his release clause of a 1 billion euros.
-chelsea are hunting down falcao.
mn/tmw
This is going to turn out into a sucky transfer window...
@ blu. Strootman is not just a 1 dimensional holding mid like Ambro or even De Jong. He's a very smart player who I think can aslo easily slot in as a CM. I think someone like chu could clarify this more as he's seen a lot more of Strootman than us.
The Pato thing is just completely disheartening at this point. 15m...
I don't know how good this Paulinho is. But imo, we'd need both. Ambro is done come the end of the season, and imo Strasser will most likely not make it in terms of a permanent spot with us. Don't get me started on the utter mediocrity of Muntari, if we can sell him for something around 4m this summer then we should jump on that.
We need to remove some dead weight from this team and start to introduce players like Strootman, Paulinho, Armero, etc
But in all honesty, I'm still hopeful at a shot at Sneijder. I wouldn't jump on Paulinho right now, I'd rather wait and see how the Senijder saga plays out at Inter.
Pato is what's making me sad right now. Only a player like Balotell - which imo is out of the question for us - would soften the blow a bit
@ blu. Strootman is not just a 1 dimensional holding mid like Ambro or even De Jong. He's a very smart player who I think can aslo easily slot in as a CM. I think someone like chu could clarify this more as he's seen a lot more of Strootman than us.
The Pato thing is just completely disheartening at this point. 15m...
I don't know how good this Paulinho is. But imo, we'd need both. Ambro is done come the end of the season, and imo Strasser will most likely not make it in terms of a permanent spot with us. Don't get me started on the utter mediocrity of Muntari, if we can sell him for something around 4m this summer then we should jump on that.
We need to remove some dead weight from this team and start to introduce players like Strootman, Paulinho, Armero, etc
But in all honesty, I'm still hopeful at a shot at Sneijder. I wouldn't jump on Paulinho right now, I'd rather wait and see how the Senijder saga plays out at Inter.
Pato is what's making me sad right now. Only a player like Balotell - which imo is out of the question for us - would soften the blow a bit
I share your sadness han 
losing Pato hurts badly enough, but for 15 m and he goes back to Brazil?
I can't quite blame the club, they're losing 4 million every year on someone who can't even play. and it's dragged on for far too long. I absolutely believe it's their fault that Pato is in this state, but they can't and won't pay for it forever. I wish we could find a team that were willing to take him on loan and pay for his wages as well so we could bring him back someday but we all know that's impossible.
It's not like Pato wouldn't be sold someday if he was doing amazing things at this club. as I said in the other thread, we're bound to lose our stars one way or another. Sheva, Kaka, Silva, Ibra... Pato could've been one of them too. so it doesn't make much difference.
losing Pato hurts badly enough, but for 15 m and he goes back to Brazil? I can't quite blame the club, they're losing 4 million every year on someone who can't even play. and it's dragged on for far too long. I absolutely believe it's their fault that Pato is in this state, but they can't and won't pay for it forever. I wish we could find a team that were willing to take him on loan and pay for his wages as well so we could bring him back someday but we all know that's impossible.
It's not like Pato wouldn't be sold someday if he was doing amazing things at this club. as I said in the other thread, we're bound to lose our stars one way or another. Sheva, Kaka, Silva, Ibra... Pato could've been one of them too. so it doesn't make much difference.
We better bring in someone if pato and robinho are both leaving.
At least we'll have 25m to spend, which is a good thing since anyone good is at least 20m.
At least we'll have 25m to spend, which is a good thing since anyone good is at least 20m.
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Strootman is not just a 1 dimensional holding mid like Ambro or even De Jong. He's a very smart player who I think can aslo easily slot in as a CM. I think someone like chu could clarify this more as he's seen a lot more of Strootman than us.
But you know, this we can't be sure of. Because, for example Van Bommel was regarded as a smart player who could primarily play AM and CM then DM if needed at first, when he played at PSV. It is one thing to play a versible midfielder in Holland, but those players usually end up being reduced to one or two positions when they finally settle at a big club.
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Dec 20 2012, 12:22 PM)
-Andrelecht president: Lucas Biglia? There have been no requests made for him. If anyone wants him, it will cost them 10m euros.
Goodness gracious, it's A-N-D-E-R-L-E-C-H-T
Looks like we are going to be up against Barca again. Our focus should be Serie A and maybe Coppa Italia at this point.
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Dec 20 2012, 12:31 PM)
I share your sadness han losing Pato hurts badly enough, but for 15 m and he goes back to Brazil?
I can't quite blame the club, they're losing 4 million every year on someone who can't even play. and it's dragged on for far too long. I absolutely believe it's their fault that Pato is in this state, but they can't and won't pay for it forever. I wish we could find a team that were willing to take him on loan and pay for his wages as well so we could bring him back someday but we all know that's impossible.
It's not like Pato wouldn't be sold someday if he was doing amazing things at this club. as I said in the other thread, we're bound to lose our stars one way or another. Sheva, Kaka, Silva, Ibra... Pato could've been one of them too. so it doesn't make much difference.
losing Pato hurts badly enough, but for 15 m and he goes back to Brazil? I can't quite blame the club, they're losing 4 million every year on someone who can't even play. and it's dragged on for far too long. I absolutely believe it's their fault that Pato is in this state, but they can't and won't pay for it forever. I wish we could find a team that were willing to take him on loan and pay for his wages as well so we could bring him back someday but we all know that's impossible.
It's not like Pato wouldn't be sold someday if he was doing amazing things at this club. as I said in the other thread, we're bound to lose our stars one way or another. Sheva, Kaka, Silva, Ibra... Pato could've been one of them too. so it doesn't make much difference.
You're right, but I refuse to believe that they couldn't find an elternative solution.
Yes he has a big contract and right now he's certainly not even worth half of what we're paying him. But they could have extended with him for a smaller contract. Pato understands how things are. It's not like he'll be earning 4m with a Brazilian team anway so it's a moot point.
We could extend for another 4 years at 2.5m for example, send him on loan for the rest of this season and see how he does. If next season his problems are hopefully behind him then his contract can be revised. It's that simple.
If we sell him now for 15m... I don't know, I feel like tearing my hair out about that.
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 20 2012, 12:45 PM)
But you know, this we can't be sure of. Because, for example Van Bommel was regarded as a smart player who could primarily play AM and CM then DM if needed at first, when he played at PSV. It is one thing to play a versible midfielder in Holland, but those players usually end up being reduced to one or two positions when they finally settle at a big club.
VB was considered an AM??
Still in some players you can easily see that they can play 2 positions and CM and DM isn't such a stretch. As long as you have the tactical awareness and passing ability then you can pull it off in any league
QUOTE (Forza Milan! @ Dec 20 2012, 01:03 PM)
Looks like we are going to be up against Barca again. Our focus should be Serie A and maybe Coppa Italia at this point.
Not even Coppa at this rate. We have Juve next...
There must be reasons we accepted so quickly. Same with Robinho as well. We accepted doing negotations fairly quickly, which means they need the money to carry out their market plans.
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News media says both could be done as early as January 1 as Milan wants to save 50m euros from their departures. 25m in transfer fee and 25m in wages.
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News media says both could be done as early as January 1 as Milan wants to save 50m euros from their departures. 25m in transfer fee and 25m in wages.
If we're so desperate on selling Pato now when only one year ago we refused a huge offer from PSG only means that the medical staff has given up on the guy. And I don't blame them. We've practically tired EVERYTHING to find a solution to his problem, yet he keeps getting injured on a constant basis. And who knows, maybe Pato is pushing for the transfer as well. His agent did say that Pato is a great admirer of Corinthians.
Balotelli has made peace with City, our hopes of signing him have fallen apart. Our plan now is to sign Matri ( 
) in January and then Dzeko next summer.
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Yes, with Matri we definitely can beat Barça.
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Yes, with Matri we definitely can beat Barça.
I'd rather keep a crippled Pato FFS!!
Matri???
We already have one f@cking dud in Pazzini. Yes why not add to the collection!!
And even worse, finance a drogba or Llorenta move for Juve. GENIUS!!
As genius as the Cassano move. Galliani wants to outdo himself
Matri???
We already have one f@cking dud in Pazzini. Yes why not add to the collection!!
And even worse, finance a drogba or Llorenta move for Juve. GENIUS!!
As genius as the Cassano move. Galliani wants to outdo himself
Question: are Pato and Babs still an item or not?
QUOTE (Danny @ Dec 20 2012, 04:53 PM)
Question: are Pato and Babs still an item or not?
Yes they are
Matri shuld bench El Sha. Matri+Pazzini! 
---------------Amelia
Antonini - Acerbi - Bonera - Mesbah
--------Flamini - Muntari -Traore
------------------Urby
--------------Matri - Pazzini
You still blame Galliani for Cassano? I don't know, I hate Cassano passionately, so I'm glad he's out.
As for Balo, it's good news for me. He'd be nothing but trouble.
As for Balo, it's good news for me. He'd be nothing but trouble.
QUOTE (Jack Bauer @ Dec 20 2012, 05:39 PM)
---------------Amelia
Antonini - Acerbi - Bonera - Mesbah
--------Flamini - Muntari -Traore
------------------Urby
--------------Matri - Pazzini
That made me burst out laughing, literally
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 20 2012, 05:45 PM)
You still blame Galliani for Cassano? I don't know, I hate Cassano passionately, so I'm glad he's out.
As for Balo, it's good news for me. He'd be nothing but trouble.
As for Balo, it's good news for me. He'd be nothing but trouble.
Yes I do.
It's not about getting rid of him, because yes, that was the right thing to do as he would have been a cancerous entity in this team had we kept him when he wanted to leave.
But yes I blame him for the gullible idiocy in the way he gave Cassano to Inter PLUS gave them money to get Pazzini FFS!!
Fact is THEY should have been the ones paying US as Cassano is by far the superior player to Pazzini. I'd rather have taken money and no Pazzini at all
Well, yes, it was a mistake. But let's move on and not dwell on the past.
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 20 2012, 05:41 PM)
I'd rather keep a crippled Pato FFS!!
Matri???
We already have one f@cking dud in Pazzini. Yes why not add to the collection!!
Matri???
We already have one f@cking dud in Pazzini. Yes why not add to the collection!!
Not sure why you go OTT on some players. Are they World class? No. Are they even great? No. But they're better than Europa League players and better than Pato, that's for sure.
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Dec 20 2012, 07:16 PM)
Not sure why you go OTT on some players. Are they World class? No. Are they even great? No. But they're better than Europa League players and better than Pato, that's for sure.
Matri or Pazzini better than Pato?
Yeah right!
Even when he was coming from injury those few weeks he was fit. Every chance he got he basically put away aside from that penalty.
How many chances does Pazzini waste each game?
And don't get me started on the pretty boy. There is a reason he doesn't start at Juve and this is a club where Quagliarella is their top scorer with 6 (as many as Pazzini btw)
Both are terrible average players who have no business playing for either Milan or Juve.
This is one place where I stand my ground. It's no exxageration. I can barely stand Pazzini playing for us. Let alone Matri as well. Just because you like them both does not make them any good
Sorry han, but right now Matri and Pazzini are far better than Pato. Pato was unwatchable in those few games he played. He needs to regain match fitness, but he can't do that if he keeps staying out injured.
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 20 2012, 03:58 PM)
Yes they are
Can't see him leaving unless she does too. The two are mad about each other so I get the feeling we lose her if we lose him.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 20 2012, 05:26 PM)
Sorry han, but right now Matri and Pazzini are far better than Pato. Pato was unwatchable in those few games he played. He needs to regain match fitness, but he can't do that if he keeps staying out injured.
is that you Allegri? 
QUOTE (Danny @ Dec 20 2012, 11:53 PM)
Can't see him leaving unless she does too. The two are mad about each other so I get the feeling we lose her if we lose him.
Mad about each other? I don't think so. An interview from Thiago Silva today said that Pato is unhappy and wants to return to Brazil.
QUOTE (drucurl @ Dec 20 2012, 11:56 PM)
is that you Allegri?
Yes, it's me, and I have a signature against myself because I'm a masochist.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 20 2012, 09:26 PM)
Sorry han, but right now Matri and Pazzini are far better than Pato. Pato was unwatchable in those few games he played. He needs to regain match fitness, but he can't do that if he keeps staying out injured.
Terrible as he was (which I agree with you - sort of), he still scored on the occasions when a chance was presented to him. Simple as that.
Pazzini is made out to be some Pippo Inzaghi type player yet the amount of chances he misses compared to what he's actually scored makes me want to cry.
Add to that he adds nothing to our overall play. At least with Pippo he had that evil genius bit going for him where he could convince a ref to call a foul or penalty when HE was the one actually making the foul...
Some people expected Pato to come back in and tear things up like nothing happened. Forget that he missed out on a year of football. But in reality that's not how it works. And his latest injury wasn't the same as his previous muscle problems and if his agent is to be believed he's been fit for a while as well.
As for Matri. Ask the Juve fans themselves about him. He's more preoccupied with looking good on camera rather than scoring.
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Dec 20 2012, 10:18 PM)
Mad about each other? I don't think so. An interview from Thiago Silva today said that Pato is unhappy and wants to return to Brazil.
Which part of Pato being potentially unhappy at Milan proves he's also unhappy about Babs?
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Dec 20 2012, 10:14 PM)
Well, yes, it was a mistake. But let's move on and not dwell on the past.
Don't see how it is a mistake to transfer a player who came for free, was on the high-wages list (post Zlatan&TS), and threw a fit to be transferred to inter? If anything, Galliani saved us from a Sneijder-esque situation .. Actually Sneijder has a lot more class than Cassano
While making room in the wage-budget to accommodate contracts of new players. But then again there is always hindsight and narrow corridors
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Dec 20 2012, 08:10 PM)
Don't see how it is a mistake to transfer a player who came for free, was on the high-wages list (post Zlatan&TS), and threw a fit to be transferred to inter? If anything, Galliani saved us from a Sneijder-esque situation .. Actually Sneijder has a lot more class than Cassano While making room in the wage-budget to accommodate contracts of new players.
But then again there is always hindsight and narrow corridors
While making room in the wage-budget to accommodate contracts of new players. But then again there is always hindsight and narrow corridors
The mistake wasn't transferring Cassano, the mistake was PAYING Inter to take him. I'd rather have simply cut ties and keep the 7m rather than get Pazzini.
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 21 2012, 01:38 AM)
Terrible as he was (which I agree with you - sort of), he still scored on the occasions when a chance was presented to him. Simple as that.
Pazzini is made out to be some Pippo Inzaghi type player yet the amount of chances he misses compared to what he's actually scored makes me want to cry.
Add to that he adds nothing to our overall play. At least with Pippo he had that evil genius bit going for him where he could convince a ref to call a foul or penalty when HE was the one actually making the foul...
Some people expected Pato to come back in and tear things up like nothing happened. Forget that he missed out on a year of football. But in reality that's not how it works. And his latest injury wasn't the same as his previous muscle problems and if his agent is to be believed he's been fit for a while as well.
As for Matri. Ask the Juve fans themselves about him. He's more preoccupied with looking good on camera rather than scoring.
Pazzini is made out to be some Pippo Inzaghi type player yet the amount of chances he misses compared to what he's actually scored makes me want to cry.
Add to that he adds nothing to our overall play. At least with Pippo he had that evil genius bit going for him where he could convince a ref to call a foul or penalty when HE was the one actually making the foul...
Some people expected Pato to come back in and tear things up like nothing happened. Forget that he missed out on a year of football. But in reality that's not how it works. And his latest injury wasn't the same as his previous muscle problems and if his agent is to be believed he's been fit for a while as well.
As for Matri. Ask the Juve fans themselves about him. He's more preoccupied with looking good on camera rather than scoring.
I think you exaggerate way too much when it comes to Pazzini. He's not as bad as you make him out to be. On what occasions did Pato score? An easy header against Malaga or a simple tap-in against Anderlecht? Pazzini has scored plenty of those, too. He might not be a marquee player, but he's a decent striker and good back-up.
As for Pato, I already said that he needs to regain match fitness in order to start performing again. I didn't expect him to break the world or anything. However, if keeps getting injured, then what's the point?
QUOTE (Danny @ Dec 21 2012, 02:00 AM)
Which part of Pato being potentially unhappy at Milan proves he's also unhappy about Babs?
No connection. I just remembered about it and thought I'd mention it.
QUOTE (milanbuf88 @ Dec 21 2012, 04:00 AM)
The mistake wasn't transferring Cassano, the mistake was PAYING Inter to take him. I'd rather have simply cut ties and keep the 7m rather than get Pazzini.
... After knowing SES is a forward we can depend on. Prior to that, we had Pato away for most of last season, Robinho inconsistent as usual and suddenly no viable option upfront.
Was it a mistake to pay inter for a player the coach had agreed to take on-board? Knowing what we know now, I see where your coming from.
QUOTE (han2503 @ Dec 20 2012, 10:04 PM)
Matri or Pazzini better than Pato?
Yeah right!
Even when he was coming from injury those few weeks he was fit. Every chance he got he basically put away aside from that penalty.
How many chances does Pazzini waste each game?
Yeah right!
Even when he was coming from injury those few weeks he was fit. Every chance he got he basically put away aside from that penalty.
How many chances does Pazzini waste each game?
Pazzini's scoring a goal for every 4.8 shots in Serie A, hardly terrible! Over the past 2 seasons Pato's scored 1 in 22. Pazzo's scoring 6 in 29 this season. So much for being wasteful and a converion rate IS something that you can put into stats.
If you argue Pazzini gets easier chances, then it just backs up that he's better - good strikers get themselves into good positions. Matri isn't as good as Pazzini, in my opinion. But Pato's finished, not good enough to start for probably half of Serie As teams.
News:
-T. Silva: "I would definitely like to return to Milan because it's a great club - the most successful club in the world."
T. Silva: "I think that Robinho will leave Milan in January."
T Silva: "Pato is not happy. In order for him to be happy again he needs to go back to Brazil. I don't like seeing one my friends sad."
-Milan has rejected the notion of a swap deals for either robinho or pato. They are interested in cash only.
-The brazillian media has said that talks are progressing smoothly and a deal is getting closer.
The director of Corinthians has said that they made a bid but not 15m. Thats too much for them and they cannot afford that figure. The media believes that a figure of 8-10m could seal the deal or a loan + buy option.
-The italian media believes that Milan will use the majority of the revenue from the sale of those two towards balancing the books of the club for 2013 and parts of 2014.
Basically, if one of our strikers left we wont bring in anyone because we'll be promoting niang officially to regular playing time.
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-T. Silva: "I would definitely like to return to Milan because it's a great club - the most successful club in the world."
T. Silva: "I think that Robinho will leave Milan in January."
T Silva: "Pato is not happy. In order for him to be happy again he needs to go back to Brazil. I don't like seeing one my friends sad."
-Milan has rejected the notion of a swap deals for either robinho or pato. They are interested in cash only.
-The brazillian media has said that talks are progressing smoothly and a deal is getting closer.
The director of Corinthians has said that they made a bid but not 15m. Thats too much for them and they cannot afford that figure. The media believes that a figure of 8-10m could seal the deal or a loan + buy option.
-The italian media believes that Milan will use the majority of the revenue from the sale of those two towards balancing the books of the club for 2013 and parts of 2014.
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Galliani: "We haven't thought about signing Pablo Armero."
Galliani: "We like @Kevin_strootman but that doesn't mean that we will sign him. We will see what happens."
Galliani: "Seedorf will continue to play in Brazil. It's only normal that I follow what's going on in the world. It's a part of my job."
Galliani: "Robinho and Pato? We still haven't decided anything. We're still in December and the Brazilian transfer window closes April 15."
Galliani: "Drogba? No comments."
Galliani: "If the offer that we've received for Pato is satisfactory? We will see."
Galliani: "If we will invite Guardiola to San Siro for Milan-Barça? I think that Barça will invite him."
Galliani: "I will meet with Corinthians' president. We will make a decision together with Pato. The same goes for Robinho."
Galliani: "Robinho wants to return to Brazil because his family is there. We haven't received any offer from Santos for him."
Galliani: "It's incredible that we drew Barça again. It's insane that we will have played 6 matches against them in just one year."
Galliani: "We have the best balance sheet among the big Italian clubs. We're close to breaking even and we live up to the FFP demands."
Galliani: "Berlusconi? I was the one who told him that we had drawn Barça. We will try to beat them."
Galliani: "Vilanova? We wish him the best of luck with his health. We hope to see him in Milano in February when we face them."
Galliani: "A Milan without the Brazilians? Life changes and you have to adapt to it. Pato and Robinho are Milan players for now."
Galliani: "If we'll sign a great striker? No, if our strikers stay then we won't sign anyone - even if one of our strikers leaves the club."
Galliani: "If Milan-Barça is the derby of the world? Barça play the most beautiful football in the world and they have the best players."
Galliani: "We like @Kevin_strootman but that doesn't mean that we will sign him. We will see what happens."
Galliani: "Seedorf will continue to play in Brazil. It's only normal that I follow what's going on in the world. It's a part of my job."
Galliani: "Robinho and Pato? We still haven't decided anything. We're still in December and the Brazilian transfer window closes April 15."
Galliani: "Drogba? No comments."
Galliani: "If the offer that we've received for Pato is satisfactory? We will see."
Galliani: "If we will invite Guardiola to San Siro for Milan-Barça? I think that Barça will invite him."
Galliani: "I will meet with Corinthians' president. We will make a decision together with Pato. The same goes for Robinho."
Galliani: "Robinho wants to return to Brazil because his family is there. We haven't received any offer from Santos for him."
Galliani: "It's incredible that we drew Barça again. It's insane that we will have played 6 matches against them in just one year."
Galliani: "We have the best balance sheet among the big Italian clubs. We're close to breaking even and we live up to the FFP demands."
Galliani: "Berlusconi? I was the one who told him that we had drawn Barça. We will try to beat them."
Galliani: "Vilanova? We wish him the best of luck with his health. We hope to see him in Milano in February when we face them."
Galliani: "A Milan without the Brazilians? Life changes and you have to adapt to it. Pato and Robinho are Milan players for now."
Galliani: "If we'll sign a great striker? No, if our strikers stay then we won't sign anyone - even if one of our strikers leaves the club."
Galliani: "If Milan-Barça is the derby of the world? Barça play the most beautiful football in the world and they have the best players."
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Milan on Pato, Robinho and Barca
By Football Italia staff
Milan chief Adriano Galliani is stunned to be facing Barcelona again, while confirming they “haven’t decided yet” on Robinho and Alexandre Pato.
The Rossoneri faced Barça in both the group stage and the Quarter-Finals of last season’s Champions League, but have drawn them again in the Second Round to be played in February.
“It’s incredible, we’ll be playing them six times in just over a year,” said Vice-President Galliani.
“Barcelona were assigned to us because the other teams could not face each other, so we were the default option. Barcelona play the best football in the world with the best players in the world. We’ll try and last season we made a good impression.”
Galliani is expected to fly out to Brazil this weekend for negotiations with Santos for Robinho and Corinthians for Pato.
“We won’t sign any more strikers, even if one of the current roster leaves. If both of them go, then we’ll see what we will do.
“We haven’t decided yet on Robinho and Pato, as it’s still only December. The Brazilian transfer session ends on April 15.
“Was the offer for Pato satisfying? We’ll see. Robinho wants to go back to Brazil because his family is there and it’s a personal choice. We received an offer from Santos which we rejected, but there has not been a second proposal yet.
“Brazilian football has grown on an economic level, as with sponsorship deals and pay-per-view television the clubs can afford more than they could in the past. We will speak with Pato and Robinho to decide what to do.
“For now Pato and Robinho are Milan players. Our books are balanced and we are even set to make a profit. Any potential Pato and Binho sales would go into the 2013 budget.”
The Vice-President also commented on rumours regarding Didier Drogba, Udinese’s Pablo Armero and a potential return from Botafogo for Clarence Seedorf.
“I won’t comment on the Drogba rumours. We have never considered Armero. Seedorf will continue playing in Brazil.”
By Football Italia staff
Milan chief Adriano Galliani is stunned to be facing Barcelona again, while confirming they “haven’t decided yet” on Robinho and Alexandre Pato.
The Rossoneri faced Barça in both the group stage and the Quarter-Finals of last season’s Champions League, but have drawn them again in the Second Round to be played in February.
“It’s incredible, we’ll be playing them six times in just over a year,” said Vice-President Galliani.
“Barcelona were assigned to us because the other teams could not face each other, so we were the default option. Barcelona play the best football in the world with the best players in the world. We’ll try and last season we made a good impression.”
Galliani is expected to fly out to Brazil this weekend for negotiations with Santos for Robinho and Corinthians for Pato.
“We won’t sign any more strikers, even if one of the current roster leaves. If both of them go, then we’ll see what we will do.
“We haven’t decided yet on Robinho and Pato, as it’s still only December. The Brazilian transfer session ends on April 15.
“Was the offer for Pato satisfying? We’ll see. Robinho wants to go back to Brazil because his family is there and it’s a personal choice. We received an offer from Santos which we rejected, but there has not been a second proposal yet.
“Brazilian football has grown on an economic level, as with sponsorship deals and pay-per-view television the clubs can afford more than they could in the past. We will speak with Pato and Robinho to decide what to do.
“For now Pato and Robinho are Milan players. Our books are balanced and we are even set to make a profit. Any potential Pato and Binho sales would go into the 2013 budget.”
The Vice-President also commented on rumours regarding Didier Drogba, Udinese’s Pablo Armero and a potential return from Botafogo for Clarence Seedorf.
“I won’t comment on the Drogba rumours. We have never considered Armero. Seedorf will continue playing in Brazil.”
Basically, if one of our strikers left we wont bring in anyone because we'll be promoting niang officially to regular playing time.
mn/fi/cm/tmw
Balancing the stinking books. 
That's what we've been sliced down to. Hope those responsible are happy!
That's what we've been sliced down to. Hope those responsible are happy!
News:
Corinthians have pulled out of negotations as PSG have dropped a 30m euro offer for alexander.
Milan rejected the offer as they want to sit down and evaluate his future with the allegri, silvio and the board first before coming to any rash conclusions.
Milan are currenlty looking at corinthians as a potential loan move for Pato to regain his fitness and confidence. However, it is unclear if the brazillian club are looking for the same deal. They want pato on permanent move for around 10m.
PSG are set to have talks with Milan after the strategy meeting between the board, silvio and allegri takes place after christmas.
The discussion of Pastore is also a barganing chip as leonardo hasn't taken anything off the table yet.
It is believed that corinthians refuse a loan option for pato, the media believes they will not be ok with just a loan deal with no option for purchase. If then the board decides to sell pato, they will negotiate with both clubs, but psg will have the upper hand.
Milan are currently on the verge of making a profit so they are not required to sell anyone at the club.
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Corinthians have pulled out of negotations as PSG have dropped a 30m euro offer for alexander.
Milan rejected the offer as they want to sit down and evaluate his future with the allegri, silvio and the board first before coming to any rash conclusions.
Milan are currenlty looking at corinthians as a potential loan move for Pato to regain his fitness and confidence. However, it is unclear if the brazillian club are looking for the same deal. They want pato on permanent move for around 10m.
PSG are set to have talks with Milan after the strategy meeting between the board, silvio and allegri takes place after christmas.
The discussion of Pastore is also a barganing chip as leonardo hasn't taken anything off the table yet.
It is believed that corinthians refuse a loan option for pato, the media believes they will not be ok with just a loan deal with no option for purchase. If then the board decides to sell pato, they will negotiate with both clubs, but psg will have the upper hand.
Milan are currently on the verge of making a profit so they are not required to sell anyone at the club.
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