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han2503
QUOTE (KillerMax @ Nov 22 2012, 10:58 PM) *
It is obvious that Abate is the better player. You have to be delusional to think De Sciglio is better than Abate right now. That being said, De Sciglio can become a great player. And in my opinion he is getting more than enough opportunities to grow.

THANK YOU!!!

But apparently saying as such means that you're biased towards Abate and don't like DS rolleyes.gif
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 22 2012, 11:46 PM) *
In YOUR opinion. wink.gif

I imagine that's what everyone posts. Unless you sit here posting on behalf of someone else? huh.gif
Jack Bauer
Fillipo Simone
Then, what makes De Sciglio better then Abate - anyone cares to explain on examples?
Jack Sparrow
....besides that he is 4 years younger and is good PR? And all the poetic justice and similarity to Maldini...
Zed.D
What bullshit.
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Jack Sparrow @ Nov 23 2012, 01:32 AM) *
....besides that he is 4 years younger and is good PR? And all the poetic justice and similarity to Maldini...

4?
kurtsimonw
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Nov 23 2012, 12:57 AM) *
4?

I'm beginning to see why people hate my stats so much. They don't understand numbers, apparently.
Jack Sparrow
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2012, 06:59 AM) *
I'm beginning to see why people hate my stats so much. They don't understand numbers, apparently.


I drink za vodka. For za glory of mother russia...
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (Zed.D @ Nov 23 2012, 01:46 AM) *
What bullshit.

Pardon?
X-Offender
QUOTE (CHU-LIP @ Nov 23 2012, 12:48 AM) *
lol


CHU-LIP
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2012, 02:29 AM) *
I'm beginning to see why people hate my stats so much. They don't understand numbers, apparently.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
William405
He's 6 years younger, but that is not the point anyway.
William405
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2012, 01:13 AM) *
You said it, not me. Not my problem if you or han don't understand really.

Well seemed like you wanted to say anyone who thinks Abate is good(hence disagreeing with you) is from the Fifa generation(whatever that is!).Seemed like an insult to me wink.gif
Zed.D
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 23 2012, 05:30 AM) *
Pardon?


I was referring to Jack's post. but now it turns out he'd had too much vodka so I can understand.
Fillipo Simone
Oh, right. So, no one's gonna answer my question?
Zed.D
What question?
acid911
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 23 2012, 04:30 AM) *
Then, what makes De Sciglio better then Abate - anyone cares to explain on examples?

This questions. biggrin.gif wink.gif
Bluesummers
Pato makes milan quit threat
Bluesummers
Rumours have surfaced that we are close to Felipe anderson.

Balotelli and pato could swap places in january.

Pastore is on the verge of psg exit as their relationship is in turmoil.

Bale wants madrid move

Robinho looks to be on his way out in january.

We are linked with Diego Benaglio

Guardiola has declined an offer from chelsea to be their coach. He said hes not ready yet to leave new york.



mn/fi/tmw
han2503
What I think will happen this winter for us is this

Robinho will be sold easily. We'll try desperately to offload Traore and Mesbah and we'll have a hard time trying to do so. (This once again highlights what idiots we were to bring them in in the first place).

Aside from those 3 I can't see anyone else leaving right now. Pato is obviously p!ssed off with our coach but at this point give me a name other then Bonera and Ury who ISN'T thicked off with the idiot. Allegri is 100% out the window come the end of the season so I can't see us letting Pato go now, especially because his price tag is probably at it's lowest point right now. City aren't going to give us Balo outright for Pato that's just fantasy stuff. I'd only let Pato go at the end of the season if we manage to keep Bojan permanently and bring in Balo. Other then that we should hold on to him at all costs.

Maybe Pastore and a CM could come in, but we'll have to see what type of budget Galliani has to work with.

As for the defence, imo it's ok as long as Allegri plays the right 4, it shouldn't be as bad and problematic as it's been so far. But with Allegri constantly messing around with it don't expect an improvement, even if another player is brought in. Without continuity it's not going to improve so it's pointless spending money here imo
Jack Bauer
Whether it's winter or this summer, unless he signs an extension soon, Pato will probably be sold if decent offer comes because his contract is running out in 2014.
X-Offender
I think we need to sign a winger, because Allegri doesn't seem to have the intention of playing Bojan there, and all the other alternatives (Boateng, Emanuelson, Robinho) suck. Also, if we're selling Pato, another quality striker must be brought in.
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 23 2012, 06:19 PM) *
I think we need to sign a winger, because Allegri doesn't seem to have the intention of playing Bojan there, and all the other alternatives (Boateng, Emanuelson, Robinho) suck. Also, if we're selling Pato, another quality striker must be brought in.

Don't know. Ideally we just shift Bojan there and play Pato or heck even Pazzini in the center.

I mean it's just ridiculous how he refuses to choose the most obvious of options!! The man is so frustrating. Which is why I'm reluctant to see us spend a dime to try and accomodate any of his tactics.
kurtsimonw
Pazzini will be fine as our focal point IF we have players that can give him the service. Crap like Boateng or Urby out wide isn't going to cut it for any striker. Right now we're living off the fact that SES can create brilliance out of nothing in terms of our attack.

Sell Pato, Robinho and Boateng and use them money to invest in a winger and a #10. They don't have to be World class, just players who play those positions and who are of good quality.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2012, 10:54 PM) *
Pazzini will be fine as our focal point IF we have players that can give him the service. Crap like Boateng or Urby out wide isn't going to cut it for any striker. Right now we're living off the fact that SES can create brilliance out of nothing in terms of our attack.

Sell Pato, Robinho and Boateng and use them money to invest in a winger and a #10. They don't have to be World class, just players who play those positions and who are of good quality.

No Pazzini isn't fine. He's mediocre at best and I'd rather keep Pato for the future, same for Boateng if it comes down to it as they're both still young.

Pato at this point wouldn't command a big transfer fee, same with Boateng anyway so if you think we'd be able to finance those 2 moves you're wrong.

Selling Robinho is imperative, and I'm pretty sure Pazzini will b out come summer as well, Huntelaar style.

There is a very small group of players in this team that we should hold onto and use them as foundations to rebuild and that group includes players like Pato, Monto, SES, Prince, Abate, DS and maybe Bojan if we can cut a good deal. The rest are all expandable
kurtsimonw
Well, to get technical, "at best" Pazzini is a very good Serie A striker. With anyone that can create, he's fine.
Ry4n
Would love to swap Pazzini for Cavani + money,

But keeping Pazzini is good too he just needs balls fed to him
X-Offender
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 07:48 AM) *
Would love to swap Pazzini for Cavani + money.


That would be a lot of money.
han2503
QUOTE (kurtsimonw @ Nov 23 2012, 11:20 PM) *
Well, to get technical, "at best" Pazzini is a very good Serie A striker. With anyone that can create, he's fine.

Pazzini for me is in the ranks of the Gilardinos of the league. He'll do very well at the likes of Samp and Fiorentina where he is their only focal point but struggles in a big club. Look at his games for Inter last season. He was getting better service than he currently is at Milan this season yet he was still terrible on most occasions.

Just don't know what you see in him and certainly is not enough to justify the sale of Pato by saying "oh we have Pazzini, no worries"

QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 05:48 AM) *
Would love to swap Pazzini for Cavani + money,

But keeping Pazzini is good too he just needs balls fed to him

Like x-off said. That would have to be a LOOOT of money. Pazzini is mediocre, Cavani is world class, you do the math
Ry4n
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 24 2012, 02:15 PM) *
Pazzini for me is in the ranks of the Gilardinos of the league. He'll do very well at the likes of Samp and Fiorentina where he is their only focal point but struggles in a big club. Look at his games for Inter last season. He was getting better service than he currently is at Milan this season yet he was still terrible on most occasions.

Just don't know what you see in him and certainly is not enough to justify the sale of Pato by saying "oh we have Pazzini, no worries"


Like x-off said. That would have to be a LOOOT of money. Pazzini is mediocre, Cavani is world class, you do the math

I would not go as far as to say he is world class not just yet , the last game we had against Napoli he was not good at all yes it was one game but it was one big game.
Ry4n
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 24 2012, 09:50 AM) *
That would be a lot of money.


He will probably go to Juve or Inter then.
han2503
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 11:30 AM) *
I would not go as far as to say he is world class not just yet , the last game we had against Napoli he was not good at all yes it was one game but it was one big game.

It is just one game, and for a striker his performance most of the time depends on the team behind him as well. Cavani has proved himself to be a top striker on many occasions now

QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 11:32 AM) *
He will probably go to Juve or Inter then.

Nah, Napoli would most likely sell out of the league. Also, can't see either Inter or Juve managing to come up with the fee Napoli will undoubtedly demand for him

Real or City would be my best guess. Maybe even Chelsea when they get tired of giving Torres chances
Ry4n
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 24 2012, 05:03 PM) *
It is just one game, and for a striker his performance most of the time depends on the team behind him as well. Cavani has proved himself to be a top striker on many occasions now


Nah, Napoli would most likely sell out of the league. Also, can't see either Inter or Juve managing to come up with the fee Napoli will undoubtedly demand for him

Real or City would be my best guess. Maybe even Chelsea when they get tired of giving Torres chances


The same could be said about Pazzini it depends on the team behind him also..



As if Real need anyone nor City..
Inter have a couple of Uruguayans i don't want him to go there ofc but seeing how Diego Milito isnt getting any younger. Juve have already tried to buy him napoli has thus far rejected swaps for Giovinco and Matri + cash.\
Fillipo Simone
Han, I think you're just too harsh on Pazzo. Like with the Juventus thing, you tend to take a radical stance on a subject not as clear as one would expect.

Firstly, you mention Gilardino but I remember you defending the same some years ago. Sure, the situation was much different.

But why not accept some at least for this situation as well - Pazzini is a solid, good striker. He is more suited for teams like Sampdoria, and one of his biggest problems is that he isn't such a lethal finisher. Compared to Inzaghi, he has a similar sense but lacks the clinical finish of Superpippo, especially the young Juve/Milan Pippo.

Yet insisting on how bad he is won't really help either. He's a good backup striker, born for crisis situation where you can put him in and hope he'll do something out of nothing. Sometimes it works, the other time he does - nothing. Is he the future of Milan, like for example Pato was or still could be? No. But can he present a valuable asset? Yes. Under a smart(er) coach, I could find a place for him with us.
X-Offender
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 24 2012, 05:13 PM) *
Pazzini is a solid, good striker. He is more suited for teams like Sampdoria, and one of his biggest problems is that he isn't such a lethal finisher. Compared to Inzaghi, he has a similar sense but lacks the clinical finish of Superpippo, especially the young Juve/Milan Pippo.

He's a good backup striker, born for crisis situation where you can put him in and hope he'll do something out of nothing. Sometimes it works, the other time he does - nothing. Is he the future of Milan, like for example Pato was or still could be? No. But can he present a valuable asset? Yes. Under a smart(er) coach, I could find a place for him with us.


+1
han2503
QUOTE (Ry4n @ Nov 24 2012, 01:16 PM) *
The same could be said about Pazzini it depends on the team behind him also..

As if Real need anyone nor City..
Inter have a couple of Uruguayans i don't want him to go there ofc but seeing how Diego Milito isnt getting any younger. Juve have already tried to buy him napoli has thus far rejected swaps for Giovinco and Matri + cash.\

Come on now! Let's not even compare Pazzini with Cavani!

And Real and City always want to improve the team when the opportunity presents itself.

QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 24 2012, 03:13 PM) *
Han, I think you're just too harsh on Pazzo. Like with the Juventus thing, you tend to take a radical stance on a subject not as clear as one would expect.

Firstly, you mention Gilardino but I remember you defending the same some years ago. Sure, the situation was much different.

But why not accept some at least for this situation as well - Pazzini is a solid, good striker. He is more suited for teams like Sampdoria, and one of his biggest problems is that he isn't such a lethal finisher. Compared to Inzaghi, he has a similar sense but lacks the clinical finish of Superpippo, especially the young Juve/Milan Pippo.

Yet insisting on how bad he is won't really help either. He's a good backup striker, born for crisis situation where you can put him in and hope he'll do something out of nothing. Sometimes it works, the other time he does - nothing. Is he the future of Milan, like for example Pato was or still could be? No. But can he present a valuable asset? Yes. Under a smart(er) coach, I could find a place for him with us.

And I'm the first to admit how wrong I was on Gila and how terribly bad he's turned out. At least Gila had 2 huge seasons at Parma when we bought him, what's Pazzini's best season in terms of goals?

It's not about exxagerating, it's about seeing someone as being mediocre which he is. Pippo had killer instinct, something Pazzini does not have, add to that he's no hard worker and not a lethal finisher either. That for me is the definition of a mediocre striker, especially when he's simply a poacher, which in the modern game has basically become obsolete and considered a liability at most.

You've listed what makes him mediocre yourself here. So why are you even arguing my points since you obviously agree with them. You might not point them out as bluntly as I'm currently doing but deep down you know he's just bad and won't last at Milan anyway so why bother. I only miss the 7m and the fact that we gave a MUCH MUCH better player to Inter of all teams to get this dud
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 24 2012, 01:15 PM) *
Pazzini for me is in the ranks of the Gilardinos of the league. He'll do very well at the likes of Samp and Fiorentina where he is their only focal point but struggles in a big club.


wow and here I thought Gilardino's problem was that he didn't receive service from Pirlo, Seedorf, etc? dry.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 24 2012, 09:12 PM) *
wow and here I thought Gilardino's problem was that he didn't receive service from Pirlo, Seedorf, etc? dry.gif

Gilardino could never claim that was the case. Although he did do well in his first season with us imo
Rossoneri7
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 25 2012, 01:00 AM) *
Gilardino could never claim that was the case. Although he did do well in his first season with us imo


Wasnt it you who claimed that tongue.gif
han2503
QUOTE (Rossoneri7 @ Nov 24 2012, 10:02 PM) *
Wasnt it you who claimed that tongue.gif

Like I said, when the team was still performing very well, especially Seedorf and Pirlo, Gila got the goals. But when things dropped off he struggled big time.

And maybe that was the thing I didn't fully admit to. That he's basically worthless when he's not receiving top class service in each game. And it's the same thing with Pazzini
X-Offender
Apparently we're very interested in Felipe Anderson. Anyone heard of him?
han2503
QUOTE (X-Offender @ Nov 25 2012, 01:17 AM) *
Apparently we're very interested in Felipe Anderson. Anyone heard of him?

Well he's decent enough to have a couple of youtube vids...
Bluesummers
yeah talented young brazillian coming up. box to box mid/ creator.
Fillipo Simone
Did you see him play?
CHU-LIP
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 25 2012, 04:24 PM) *
yeah talented young brazillian coming up. box to box mid/ creator.

box to box? really?
Fillipo Simone
QUOTE (han2503 @ Nov 25 2012, 12:12 PM) *
Well he's decent enough to have a couple of youtube vids...

Who doesn't these days?
X-Offender
QUOTE (Bluesummers @ Nov 25 2012, 04:24 PM) *
yeah talented young brazillian coming up. box to box mid/ creator.


I'm pretty sure he's a trequartista.
han2503
QUOTE (Fillipo Simone @ Nov 25 2012, 03:18 PM) *
Who doesn't these days?

True, but usually if he's skillful and scored decent goals than you have a better chance of finding some vids
X-Offender
Apparently we'll be giving Robinho and money to Santos for Felipe Anderson.

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